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[FiveThreeTen]

She is not the Divine so far, the other 2 choices are blank.

Is she "steeled" by default?

[Fredward]

My Keep is actually bugged. Can't access. What does it say about Leli?

 

It says the Inquisitor discovered she was actually Schmooples II.

[ThreeF]

Is she "steeled" by default?

Not sure, her "Leliana was inspired" option is not selected. There are a lot of blanks, it might be that the default option is that you didn't  do her quest.

[FiveThreeTen]

Not sure, her "Leliana was inspired" option is not selected. There are a lot of blanks, it might be that the default option is that you didn't  do her quest.

 

^ Ok thanks. most of my keep is currently hidden. Except the main quests.

[ThreeF]

 Default state is the one that creates less fuss.

 

^ Ok thanks. most of my keep is currently hidden. Except the main quests.

You can click on hidden, not every option in the hidden is hidden, so  you can deduce things.

[Hazegurl]

 Female!

 

Meh

 

Not much of a shocker. Makes it even dumber not to give the IQ the option to become Divine.  The human female should have automatically been in the running with the human male having to force his way in as a Black Divine, if he chooses. While all non human races should be barred.

 

Overall, I've never cared for any of BW's default heroes...even there default Hawke was fugly, and I think diplomatic.

[TEWR]

It works for your private playthrough if you want, but as a default.. it's like expecting a novel or movie written this way. Most writers just wouldn't stack on more unique circumstances than necessary for some hero of wide appeal. 

 

Eh, I just think that Bioware has a tendency to go with what's "easier" to write, even when it's bad for the overarching narrative. And it leads me to question if they really know what they're doing anymore. It's not just this, it's been a trend with their games lately and it's present in all of them.

 

DAO having a Dalish protagonist worked well because it was an Elf saving the world again in a world that treats them like ****, where they have to struggle against that racial dynamic and get people to treat them with respect. Mage Hawke siding with the Mages worked great for the Mage-Templar conflict, especially since Hawke's story was all about struggle.

 

Human Mage for DAI has.... nothing to it. It's just.... simplicity for simplicity's sake. It's bland and sad.

[Fredward]

I think Bioware likes making their default heroes somewhat bland as a sort of reward for the people who've played their games, so they can import/edit in the more compelling options. But that might just be bright eyed, bushy tailed nature.

[ThreeF]

I think Bioware likes making their default heroes somewhat bland as a sort of reward for the people who've played their games, so they can import/edit in the more compelling options. But that might just be bright eyed, bushy tailed nature.

They don't want to have default options that will make new players more confused than necessary.

 

Rogue makes more sense for non-rabid-fanatic Inquisitor, so it is an expected choice.

[TEWR]

She's not a human mage. She's a rogue.

 

Hope that makes you feel better

 

Ah, okay.

 

Not really. Actually makes it even worse for me. 

 

I'm insanely hard to please though, I think.

[FiveThreeTen]

I think Bioware likes making their default heroes somewhat bland as a sort of reward for the people who've played their games, so they can import/edit in the more compelling options. But that might just be bright eyed, bushy tailed nature.

"Bland" and "the more compelling choice". It's in the eye of the beholder really.

 

They craft the default worldstate in order to avoid too many "loose ends" for new players. I don't think there is any hidden meaning.

[KaiserShep]

I think Bioware likes making their default heroes somewhat bland as a sort of reward for the people who've played their games, so they can import/edit in the more compelling options. But that might just be bright eyed, bushy tailed nature.

 

But the default Warden is a female elf that dies in the end. DA2 is a bit tricky since it's basically all Hawke, though the default is a mage.

[Hazegurl]

I think all great stories have struggles but there is a such thing as a limit. I think the elf lead worked for DAO because

 

GWs take anyone

The Protag was being hunted and generally unaccepted

GW treaties bound people to aid the GWs not an Elf

 

In Inquisition, having everyone drop to their knees for an Elf, Qunari, Dwarf, and even Mage and proclaim them the Herald of their Jesus is just  .

 

The way DAI was written makes a default non human semi noble PC ridiculous.

 

At least with a human Mage I have some slight wiggle room but overall I would have preferred more adversity.

[Fredward]

They're not bland though. Those are good choices. 

 

Warden is pretty unique. A dalsh female warrior. Hawke is the trailer Hawke.. but that guy was ****** cool. Come on.  I like LadyHawke more, but you can't go wrong with that guy.

 

Yeah but compare a female Dalish Warden who did the ultimate sacrifice to say, a male Cousland who had a OGB with Morrigan and then married Anora. Narrative punch! Of course a noob to the series would probably miss all the fun little implications with that so maybe they just don't bother or want to keep it unmuddled as ThreeF mentioned. For Inquisition they seem to be going with the tamest option again. The elves find out their gods are still alive, or some are anyway, and that they're kind of responsible for the Breach and are plotting some other nefarious ****. Qunari get the implication of some shadowy origin of their race and dwarves get that whole Dagna spiel about their nature. Humans just keep burning things.

[Farangbaa]

I'm sorry guys, this is my fault.

I kinda got a thing for making hot chicks

[TEWR]

Although while I think Dalish Elf works well enough for DAO's narrative, I think female Elven Mage works best. Triple whammy there. The prejudice against Elves, the fear of magic and mages, and the representation therein of a woman (better still if it was a woman of color, but I doubt the devs could factor that into the Keep's Warden default tile. The games probably).

[TEWR]

 

 

The way DAI was written makes a default non human semi noble PC ridiculous.

 

 

 

If we go strictly by what DAI was written as, even Human Noble has its share of problems. But the DA games have always had this idea of "The Maker sent you" no matter who you were. In DAO you got that told to you for your decisions, while Elthina hammered it home if you confront her on it (even saying "Even a Dwarf", to which Varric responds snarkily).

[AWTEW]

I'm happy it's a female.

 

I'm unhappy it's a human, especially in the context of a narrative with a choice that has knowledge of great import for the Elves. Basically ends up stealing the heritage from them if the human female took it, and if Morrigan did it well, she does have the knowledge to go with it (plus the delicious irony). Still....

 

Should've been a Dwarven female. Well, male to me, but I'm a guy and Nasir's my boy so I'm biased automatically. Or Lavellan, but Dwarf is better to me because of the dynamic as a foe to Corypheus. 

 

So really, it should've been Dwarf. Male or female, but Dwarf.

 

It was obvious it was going to be female to me, simply because it's logically  'fair'. If they had two male protagonists in a row 'SJW storm* So far it has gone girl,boy,girl, in that order DA4 default will be  99% assured to be male. I think it is a reasonable pattern to follow.

 

 

She is not the Divine so far, the other 2 choices are blank.

 

Samson most likely dead.

 

Hah! I thought so!  Ibelive steeled leleiana will be the default, because the default-world-state leliana fondly calls lyna a friend. So good friend sacrifices herself and dies, and then DAI good friend sacrifices herself and dies.. 

They don't want to have default options that will make new players more confused than necessary.

 

Rogue makes more sense for non-rabid-fanatic Inquisitor, so it is an expected choice.

 

It also follows the patern

Female,Male,Female

Warrior,Mage,Rouge

 

so does that mean DA4 will be Male Warrior?...Hmnnn

[TheRatPack55]

Meh

 

Not much of a shocker. Makes it even dumber not to give the IQ the option to become Divine.  The human female should have automatically been in the running with the human male having to force his way in as a Black Divine, if he chooses. While all non human races should be barred.

 

Overall, I've never cared for any of BW's default heroes...even there default Hawke was fugly, and I think diplomatic.

 

Yes. But alas, race/class in Inquisition is cosmetic, despite being sth that lore-wise should be a huge issue. This has been said many times. I understand BioWare's desire to limit choices with drastically different and complicated outcomes in order to make creating the next game at all possible, but it rather diminishes the appeal of DA as a franchise which, well, allows you to make world-altering choices with drastically different and complicated outcomes...

 

Who plays with default heroes anyway. Diplo!Hawke, eeeewwww.

[Ieldra]

@People who criticize the narrative (in)significance of the default choice:

 

IMO, the default worldstate exists for the explicit purpose of reducing the ballast of previous games for those who want to minimize their involvement with them and just start with the next game. It's always a choice that limits the effect of choices that would carry over into the new game. For DAO, any US ending would do that, for DA2 it doesn't matter and for DAI, it actually is a human non-mage because that requires the least number of special circumstances to be understood by a player of the next game.

 

As a secondary aspect, there's an attempted gender and class balance, but anything else people interpret into the choice of default is  irrelevant. The default does not exist in order to create a particularly interesting narrative. It exists to make things easier for newcomers, and to create a backdrop for official written fiction.