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[Shermos]

I've never been a fan of Abram's Trek interpretation. It looks like Trek, and makes plenty of little nods, but the soul has been ripped out of it. It no longer pushes boundaries or forces us to think about controversial issues and the state of affairs in the world.

 

I recently found out about a kickstarted Indie Star Trek film project called Axanar. It tells the story of the final battle in first major conflict between The Federation and Klingons, 20 years before Captain Kirk took over command of the Enterprise. This is the event which created the cold war style atmosphere we see in the original series and movies. 

 

The guy who came up with the idea is basing it off an episode of the original show where Kirk meets the man who inspired him to join Starfleet and strive to become a captain. He's trying really hard to be loyal to the established lore and canon.

 

So far, the creators have released a prelude to the movie, which is a documentary style format. The movie will follow the traditional format. Quite few actors with a strong sci-fi pedigree and from previous Trek shows have signed on.

 

 

If the movie is at least as good as this, it's gonna be awesome.

 

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Edit:

 

The Axanar team have launched an Indiegogo campaign to fully fund the film. They have a studio and people all set to go, and sets under construction. The first scene has been filmed and can be found on the Axanar Youtube channel. The film has reached it's initial funding goal, but needs to raise about 1.3 million USD to complete it.

 

If any of you love Star Trek, and would like to see what the team can do, please donate. 25USD will get you a bunch of perks plus a digital download of the movie once it comes out, hopefully by Summer next year. 

 

Link to the donation page:

https://www.indiegog...k-axanar#/story

[Voxr]

Now this looks interesting! I agree the new Star Trek films have left something to be desired, even though I do like them. 

[Shermos]

The Axanar team have launched an Indiegogo campaign to fully fund the film. They have a studio and people all set to go, and sets under construction. The first scene has been filmed and can be found on the Axanar Youtube channel. The film has reached it's initial funding goal, but needs to raise about 1.3 million USD to complete it.

 

If any of you love Star Trek, and would like to see what the team can do, please donate. 25USD will get you a bunch of perks plus a digital download of the movie once it comes out, hopefully by Summer next year. 

 

Link to the donation page:

https://www.indiegog...k-axanar#/story

[FlyingSquirrel]

I wish Abrams and company had just done a full "reboot" rather than trying to tie it into the original Star Trek universe via the time travel with Vulcan getting destroyed and thus presumably everything from TOS onward potentially altered. I think it would have actually attracted less controversy from longtime fans if presented as just a different take on the franchise. This has been done with Sherlock Holmes, Batman, James Bond, Battlestar Galactica, and probably some others. I don't regard the Chris Nolan Batman movies, for example, as somehow rewriting the timeline of the Tim Burton / Joel Schumacher Batman movies, I just think of them as taking place in separate fictional universes.

[In Exile]

I wish Abrams and company had just done a full "reboot" rather than trying to tie it into the original Star Trek universe via the time travel with Vulcan getting destroyed and thus presumably everything from TOS onward potentially altered. I think it would have actually attracted less controversy from longtime fans if presented as just a different take on the franchise. This has been done with Sherlock Holmes, Batman, James Bond, Battlestar Galactica, and probably some others. I don't regard the Chris Nolan Batman movies, for example, as somehow rewriting the timeline of the 1990s Batman movies, I just think of them as taking place in separate fictional universes.

 

He did it because, like with most things, there is a small but dedicated group of people that became quite livid when there's anything approach a reboot or an erasure of what they consider present canon. Take, for example, some people's furor over the SW EU. 

 

It's kind of like how Bioware in ME2 invented "thermal clips" with some nonsense justification instead of just saying "Guns have ammo now because the gunplay is better that way."

[The Invader]

I've never been a fan of Abram's Trek interpretation. It looks like Trek, and makes plenty of little nods, but the soul has been ripped out of it. It no longer pushes boundaries or forces us to think about controversial issues and the state of affairs in the world.
 
I recently found out about a kickstarted Indie Star Trek film project called Axanar. It tells the story of the final battle in first major conflict between The Federation and Klingons, 20 years before Captain Kirk took over command of the Enterprise. This is the event which created the cold war style atmosphere we see in the original series and movies. 
 
The guy who came up with the idea is basing it off an episode of the original show where Kirk meets the man who inspired him to join Starfleet and strive to become a captain. He's trying really hard to be loyal to the established lore and canon.
 
So far, the creators have released a prelude to the movie, which is a documentary style format. The movie will follow the traditional format. Quite few actors with a strong sci-fi pedigree and from previous Trek shows have signed on.
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=1W1_8IV8uhA
 
If the movie is at least as good as this, it's gonna be awesome.

Squeeeeeeee, that was boss I hope they can get enough money together. I would happily pay to see a true Star Trek film.

[Shermos]

I wish Abrams and company had just done a full "reboot" rather than trying to tie it into the original Star Trek universe via the time travel with Vulcan getting destroyed and thus presumably everything from TOS onward potentially altered. I think it would have actually attracted less controversy from longtime fans if presented as just a different take on the franchise. This has been done with Sherlock Holmes, Batman, James Bond, Battlestar Galactica, and probably some others. I don't regard the Chris Nolan Batman movies, for example, as somehow rewriting the timeline of the 1990s Batman movies, I just think of them as taking place in separate fictional universes.

 

The destroying Vulcan thing and the other stuff long time fans hate bothered me too, but the main problem I have was that the movies are little more than fast paced action flicks. If you pause and analyze them closely, as many hardcore fans have done, they don't hold up. At all. Star Trek has always required some suspension of disbelief, but it's one of the few popular franchises out there with a history of asking people to think. It encouraged us to think and debate about real world stuff by telling stories through the lens of a fictional universe removed from our time and place. Not only that, it pushed the boundaries of what was acceptable. The original series had the first interracial kiss on U.S. TV for example. And when a bunch a racist twats complained, Kirk was written to tell an officer who was voicing racist views of the Romulans to get off his bridge.

 

Abrams Trek has none of this. It's just Hollywood using nostalgia to rake in money, as it's doing with so many other franchises these days. I'd like to be proven wrong, but I'm not holding out high hopes for the new Star Wars movie. But at least it's something which Abrams is more suited to direct. 

 

Anyway. The future of Trek is with Indie stuff like Axanar. Productions by fans who also have experience in film and/or acting. Crowd funding is giving us an opportunity to vote with our wallets to get the kind of entertainment we want. I suspect this model is going to put TV and film in general through a bit of a revolution. Why pay for cable or satellite TV which gives you a bunch of crap you don't want, when you can help fund things you do want directly?

[FlyingSquirrel]

He did it because, like with most things, there is a small but dedicated group of people that became quite livid when there's anything approach a reboot or an erasure of what they consider present canon. Take, for example, some people's furor over the SW EU. 

 

It's kind of like how Bioware in ME2 invented "thermal clips" with some nonsense justification instead of just saying "Guns have ammo now because the gunplay is better that way."

 

That may be true, but as a sometimes-nitpicky fan, I'm actually more bothered by Abrams' take on the Trek universe "intruding" on the established canon of all the TV series (except Enterprise) and the first 10 movies. Try as I might, I can't interpret the Abrams Trek movies as meaning anything other than that all those stories didn't happen/won't happen because of the alteration of the timeline. Or, at least, they won't happen as we remember them. I'd rather have multiple canons to be considered separately, rather than a single canon in which something like 85% of the history has been wiped away due to time travel shenanigans.

[FlyingSquirrel]

The destroying Vulcan thing and the other stuff long time fans hate bothered me too, but the main problem I have was that the movies are little more than fast paced action flicks. If you pause and analyze them closely, as many hardcore fans have done, they don't hold up. At all. Star Trek has always required some suspension of disbelief, but it's one of the few popular franchises out there with a history of asking people to think. It encouraged us to think and debate about real world stuff by telling stories through the lens of a fictional universe removed from our time and place. Not only that, it pushed the boundaries of what was acceptable. The original series had the first interracial kiss on U.S. TV for example. And when a bunch a racist twats complained, Kirk was written to tell an officer who was voicing racist views of the Romulans to get off his bridge.

 

I don't disagree with this, actually, and it's a big part of the reason why I wish they had done a clean reboot. I actually thought that Into Darkness had some potentially interesting themes about Starfleet becoming increasingly militarized and that admiral who basically sends the Enterprise on a black op, with Kirk and the crew ultimately deciding they don't want to go down that path. And the epilogue where (IIRC) Kirk gives a speech talking about the necessity of exploration and discovery gave me some hope that perhaps the next movie would go in more of a traditional Trek direction.

 

But the script didn't really focus on this clearly enough, and I'm still not sure if Kirk originally intended to carry out the assassination and later changed his mind, or if he intended all along to try to capture Khan alive. And that bit where Spock loses it and seems to want revenge against Khan? No. Just...no.

 

All this is another reason why, if they're going to make movies like this and call them "Star Trek," I wish they wouldn't try to tell me that it's part of the *same* Star Trek that I knew and followed for such a long time. Just say, "That was Roddenberry's and his successors' concept, this is our concept, and the two are different entities."

[General TSAR]

Real Star Trek.

[MrFob]

I always thought JJ Abrams should have made the exact same movie (just without the time travel) and set in the Mass Effect universe.

 

For me, the new movies are basically ME movies with the wrong ship models. The fast paced action oriented scripts, the witty one liners, the lovable characters, the lighthearted dialogue and last but not least the lens flares and the general visual style of things (space suits for example) would have fit much better into ME than ST.

That's why I love these movies, because for me, they are so different from the old school ST that I can easily make a break there. But I get it if people who cannot do that as easily are upset.

 

As for Axanar, I have seen that prelude a while back and it looks very interesting (I like that they used this documentary style for it, it's definitely a new take to use  a format like that for ST, very clever). However, I will not praise the film before I have seen it. As far as I can tell, it also has an extremely action based script. We'll have to wait and see how well it can catch the spirit of the 60s/90s Star Trek, while the entire thing is focused around a huge battle.

 

I will keep an eye on it though, that's for sure.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Been arround for a while.

[malloc]

More like star kek

[Shermos]

@FlyingSquirrel

I could live with a clean reboot, but I'd still rather CBS went with something which expanded the original universe. There's still a lot of room for new stories there. Same with Mass Effect....

 

Real Star Trek.

 

Hilarious cheesiness aside, that was actually one of the better episodes, and a good example of what I was talking about above. It's all about a territorial dispute, and towards the end of the first, Kirk realises Starfleet might be the party in the wrong, and the Gorn were just defending "their" territory. This was first shown at the height of the Cold War remember. Such a story was very rare at the time, and would have been difficult to convince the studio to back.

[General TSAR]

@FlyingSquirrel

I could live with a clean reboot, but I'd still rather CBS went with something which expanded the original universe. There's still a lot of room for new stories there. Same with Mass Effect....

 

 

Hilarious cheesiness aside, that was actually one of the better episodes, and a good example of what I was talking about above. It's all about a territorial dispute, and towards the end of the first, Kirk realises Starfleet might be the party in the wrong, and the Gorn were just defending "their" territory. This was first shown at the height of the Cold War remember. Such a story was very rare at the time, and would have been difficult to convince the studio to back.

Don't worry, I'm not hating on Star Trek.

 

I appreciate the series for it's high-brow conversations ranging from cultural politics to the nature of the soul. 

[FlyingSquirrel]

@FlyingSquirrel

I could live with a clean reboot, but I'd still rather CBS went with something which expanded the original universe. There's still a lot of room for new stories there. Same with Mass Effect....

 

Maybe. Though I wonder how much life the original Trek universe has left at this point anyway. After over 600 television episodes and ten movies, they've covered a *lot* of different ideas, themes, and characters in the Star Trek context, and IMO neither Voyager nor Enterprise really succeeded at showing things from a different perspective or telling stories that couldn't have been told on TOS, TNG, or DS9. 

 

Or, at least, given all the complications and competing factors in making a movie or a television series, I'm not sure how likely it is that the stars would align for somebody to pull it off even if it can theoretically be done. For better or worse, the expectation seems to be that anything called "Star Trek" is supposed to be a huge popular hit, and that probably narrows your creative options before you can even get started. 

 

If it were up to me, I'd say that the creative powers-that-be (by which I mean big-name studios and producers, not fan-made projects) probably shouldn't reboot it *or* go back to the original universe unless there's a particularly new or interesting angle to the story they want to tell. I doubt anything short of the collapse of modern civilization is going to destroy Star Trek's legacy as a landmark in science fiction and entertainment in general, and if the only ideas left are to turn it into a wham-whizz-bang action extravaganza or rehash old TNG episodes, I'd just as soon watch a non-Star Trek movie or get out my TNG DVDs. 

[The Devlish Redhead]

I guess I am on the outer as I don't mind the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies...

 

I also like proper Star Trek so why can't we have both?

[Shermos]

Just a reminder for anyone who might like to donate, there's 5 days to go until this round closes. The first act (of 4) has been funded. The team is hoping to be able to get the second act funded from this round as well.

 

See link in the OP for the Indiegogo page.