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[jvaz]

In conversation with Iron Bull, he mentions that the qunari as we know it came from the Kossith from a continent to the north. He then says "But i dont expect that they look much like us, whatever they are"

So what do they look like? And is there reference to exactly what made the qunari come to thedas? That would be a great backstory

[Iakus]

We don't know.  The Qunari have been practicing selective breeding for centuries, maybe millennia.  Plus IB suggests theorizes that the Qunari somehow introduced dragon blood into themselves. Thus the horns.  

 

We also don't know why they came to Thedas, save for Iron Bull's comment that "We had to leave"  Maybe some disaster happened.  Maybe the Qun was considered some dangerous cult and they were expelled.  Maybe there was a war.  WHo knows.  But yeah, it would make for an interesting story.

[Kieran G.]

We don't know.  The Qunari have been practicing selective breeding for centuries, maybe millennia.  Plus IB suggests theorizes that the Qunari somehow introduced dragon blood into themselves. Thus the horns.  

 

We also don't know why they came to Thedas, save for Iron Bull's comment that "We had to leave"  Maybe some disaster happened.  Maybe the Qun was considered some dangerous cult and they were expelled.  Maybe there was a war.  WHo knows.  But yeah, it would make for an interesting story.

Most likely the kossith had horns as well since there was a Kossith colony in Ferelden for a short time during the First blight and was destroyed by Darkspawn. short time later Ogre's appeared on the battlefield. so unless the Ogres with horns didn't show up until the 5th centuries. it most likely means the Kossith also had horns.

[Geth Supremacy]

the big baddie for the next dragon age.

[themageguy]

I also hope it delves into the dragon connection for the qunari too

[Sifr]

Most likely the kossith had horns as well since there was a Kossith colony in Ferelden for a short time during the First blight and was destroyed by Darkspawn. short time later Ogre's appeared on the battlefield. so unless the Ogres with horns didn't show up until the 5th centuries. it most likely means the Kossith also had horns.

 

Of course, the Kossith could have been the ones to experiment with blood magic and found some way to add draconic traits to themselves, thus explaining why blighted Kossith broodmothers produced Ogres with horns as well?

 

It would fit with how Bull says that the Qun was founded because his people needed something to control themselves? Perhaps the ancient Kossith experiments not only conferred upon them draconic horns and other abilities, but caused them to suffer from similar aggression?

 

We know that even under the discipline and order of the Qun, sometimes their celebrations get so rowdy they have to execute people to bring the rest back in line? If they suffer from some kind of innate aggression that's barely kept in check, it would explain why after the Arishok snapped in DA2, he felt the need to ravage Kirkwall simply to vent his complete and utter frustration?

[themageguy]

Hearing about the savagery of the Tal vashoth from Iron Bull, reminds me of what Cassandra tells you of her family members that took to the way of the Reaver, and their aggression.

[Sifr]

Hearing about the savagery of the Tal vashoth from Iron Bull, reminds me of what Cassandra tells you of her family members that took to the way of the Reaver, and their aggression.

 

As well as Bull's tendency when annoyed to make a grunt like he's trying hard to hold back his temper and the ferocity that Sten exhibited when he suffered a psychotic break after losing his sword? As well as Rasaan losing her temper often with Isabela in Until We Sleep?

 

Not that I'd be comfortable saying that this should be true of all Qunari, lest we get into unfortunate implications that they're a race of Grey Hulks (although oddly enough, the Grey Hulk has both rationality and strength, so the comparison is somewhat true), but that perhaps that this crossbreeding experiment with dragons, if true, might have caused a predisposition for aggressive tendencies in certain individuals?

 

Considering that they breed selectively for certain traits and by Bull's own admission, the antaam only know how to "burn things", it could be that the warriors are the ones more affected than others, since it's more useful in combat? Bull having similar traits (or at least a variant of Reaver training) might be because he was initially bred to fit the warrior mold, but his intelligence and natural skill for lying got him put on the espionage track instead?

 

A Qunari baker on the other hand, I doubt would have those kind of combat traits bred into him?

[Lumix19]

As well as Bull's tendency when annoyed to make a grunt like he's trying hard to hold back his temper and the ferocity that Sten exhibited when he suffered a psychotic break after losing his sword? As well as Rasaan losing her temper often with Isabela in Until We Sleep?
 
Not that I'd be comfortable saying that this should be true of all Qunari, lest we get into unfortunate implications that they're a race of Grey Hulks (although oddly enough, the Grey Hulk has both rationality and strength, so the comparison is somewhat true), but that perhaps that this crossbreeding experiment with dragons, if true, might have caused a predisposition for aggressive tendencies in certain individuals?
 
Considering that they breed selectively for certain traits and by Bull's own admission, the antaam only know how to "burn things", it could be that the warriors are the ones more affected than others, since it's more useful in combat? Bull having similar traits (or at least a variant of Reaver training) might be because he was initially bred to fit the warrior mold, but his intelligence and natural skill for lying got him put on the espionage track instead?
 
A Qunari baker on the other hand, I doubt would have those kind of combat traits bred into him?

It could have been the dragon blood. But sometimes when you want warriors you breed for aggression so that might be what some of the Qunari are experiencing. Or it's both.

Corypheus states something about the Qunari when you fight him. He says they are not even a true race but instead a mistake. The fact that he knows about this is quite interesting.

[Sifr]

Corypheus states something about the Qunari when you fight him. He says they are not even a true race but instead a mistake. The fact that he knows about this is quite interesting.

 

Or why he seems to be more unfamiliar with the term "Qunari" than at this supposedly new race of giants running about?

 

The Freed Are Slaves mosiac is also interesting, as the Qunari slaves on it that are original to the piece and were not added when it was altered hundreds of years later? So unless it was scattered recently, this would mean it has to be older than three hundred years it should be? Plus it seems weird that a bit of dwarven artwork, which we've seen can last exposed to the elements for millennia before succumbing to wear and tear, can't last a couple ages?

 

Unless of course, the kossith/Qunari were perhaps known to Tevinter, long before the "official" first contact in the Steel Age?

 

(It's also fix the continuity error in First Flight where Garahel mentions the Qunari during the Fourth Blight, one hundred years before they showed up?)

[X Equestris]

Or why he seems to be more unfamiliar with the term "Qunari" than at this supposedly new race of giants running about?
 
The Freed Are Slaves mosiac is also interesting, as the Qunari slaves on it that are original to the piece and were not added when it was altered hundreds of years later? So unless it was scattered recently, this would mean it has to be older than three hundred years it should be? Plus it seems weird that a bit of dwarven artwork, which we've seen can last exposed to the elements for millennia before succumbing to wear and tear, can't last on a couple ages?
 
Unless of course, the kossith/Qunari were perhaps known to Tevinter, long before the "official" first contact in the Steel Age?
 
(It's also fix the continuity error in First Flight where Garahel mentions the Qunari during the Fourth Blight, one hundred years before they showed up?)

Kieran also mentions something about the qunari Inquisitor's blood not being their own or something like that if he has the old god soul.

The thing with Last Flight was mentioned by the author to be the result of the Wardens' griffon riders being able to fly beyond the edges of Thedas.

[Lumix19]

Or why he seems to be more unfamiliar with the term "Qunari" than at this supposedly new race of giants running about?
 
The Freed Are Slaves mosiac is also interesting, as the Qunari slaves on it that are original to the piece and were not added when it was altered hundreds of years later? So unless it was scattered recently, this would mean it has to be older than three hundred years it should be? Plus it seems weird that a bit of dwarven artwork, which we've seen can last exposed to the elements for millennia before succumbing to wear and tear, can't last on a couple ages?
 
Unless of course, the kossith/Qunari were perhaps known to Tevinter, long before the "official" first contact in the Steel Age?
 
(It's also fix the continuity error in First Flight where Garahel mentions the Qunari during the Fourth Blight, one hundred years before they showed up?)

I'm not familiar with the Freed Are Slaves mosaic but that's quite interesting. And yes Corypheus' reaction is not what one would expect. Hopefully this will be addressed in the next game (assuming it takes place in Tevinter). I can just imagine there being a choice about whether or not to reveal the dark origin of the Qunari to the world.

[Sifr]

The thing with Last Flight was mentioned by the author to be the result of the Wardens' griffon riders being able to fly beyond the edges of Thedas.

 

That would make sense. And you'd have to figure that the Wardens would have probably sussed out that there was another race out there, long before the rest of Thedas, simply due to the existence of Ogres? They'd probably encounted Qunari long before everyone else, but kept it under wraps?

[ctd757]

Interesting I think it's a lot if hidden things regarding the races of Thedas. Dwarves might be Titans elves had civil war Qunari are possibly dragon kin

[Sifr]

I'm wondering if one of those Titans might have been the inspiration for the Gate Guardians in the Western Approach?

 

A codex entry there tells us that they were created in tribute of a giant metallic creature encountered by a Tevinter sculptor one day in the desert, who's size blotted out the sky? While he assumed it was merely a golem, what if it was in fact something else, since while we've heard about golems being colossal (the Juggernauts of Minrathous), no golem we've seen has ever needed lyrium to survive?

 

Combine the Titans with the mystery on the Qunari origins, Ancient Elves mastering dimensional engineering with the Crossroads, plus those weird pyramids in Par Vollen built by a horned race that supposedly weren't the Qunari/Kossith... Thedas' past seems actually a bucketload more interesting than the modern world?

[Caddius]

I'm wondering if one of those Titans might have been the inspiration for the Gate Guardians in the Western Approach?

 

A codex entry there tells us that they were created in tribute of a giant metallic creature encountered by a Tevinter sculptor one day in the desert, who's size blotted out the sky? While he assumed it was merely a golem, what if it was in fact something else, since while we've heard about golems being colossal (the Juggernauts of Minrathous), no golem we've seen has ever needed lyrium to survive?

 

Combine the Titans with the mystery on the Qunari origins, Ancient Elves mastering dimensional engineering with the Crossroads, plus those weird pyramids in Par Vollen built by a horned race that supposedly weren't the Qunari/Kossith... Thedas' past seems actually a bucketload more interesting than the modern world?

Woah woah woah, slow down. What's the exact Codex entry called? Also, can I have your children? 

I must have completely missed that.

 

As for the Last Flight thing, Garahel's comment is still nonsense. He was recruited as the Blight began, yes? They wouldn't have any Wardens riding griffons across the ocean to the Qunari. And as soon as he gets Crookytail, he starts fighting in the Blight until the day he dies. No offense to the author of that lovely book, but that explanation makes zero sense to me. 

[Caddius]

That would make sense. And you'd have to figure that the Wardens would have probably sussed out that there was another race out there, long before the rest of Thedas, simply due to the existence of Ogres? They'd probably encounted Qunari long before everyone else, but kept it under wraps?

There was a kossith colony in the Korcari Wilds that was apparently wiped out by darkspawn and provided the first Ogres. They might not have understood how the broodmother process worked. *shrug*

[Heimdall]

My theory is that the Kossith were the result of Tevinter experiments with dragon blood, and that they were eventually driven north and erased from record. They stopped in the northern Isles, impressing their image and power upon the natives (As the natives of Par Vollen, or was it Seheron?, were said to have idols of horned gods before the Qunari arrived) before moving further north.

From there, they established their own civilization. I think this society is ruled by the aggression and power due the dragon blood in their veins. The Qunari emerged as a response to this, a desire to curtail the overriding aggression of the dragon. So they were expelled and sent south. I think Iron Bull is wrong about the Tamassrans adding dragon blood, I think their trying to keep the existing influence under the control of their greater faculties. The Qun appreciates Dragons as embodiments of power, as I recall, but it is a wild and uncontrolled power, a cautionary tale. This is also likely why hornless Qunari are considered auspicious. They would be seen as being less influenced by the dragon blood.

[Heimdall]

That would make sense. And you'd have to figure that the Wardens would have probably sussed out that there was another race out there, long before the rest of Thedas, simply due to the existence of Ogres? They'd probably encounted Qunari long before everyone else, but kept it under wraps?

I imagine they were probably just perplexed. I mean, the ogres indicate the existence of another race, but that doesn't mean much wen that race is nowhere else in evidence. They don't even have much to go on with where to look for this other race.

Even if there were more Ogres in the south initially, that would have them looking in the wrong direction.

[TEWR]

Woah woah woah, slow down. What's the exact Codex entry called? Also, can I have your children? 

I must have completely missed that.

 

As for the Last Flight thing, Garahel's comment is still nonsense. He was recruited as the Blight began, yes? They wouldn't have any Wardens riding griffons across the ocean to the Qunari. And as soon as he gets Crookytail, he starts fighting in the Blight until the day he dies. No offense to the author of that lovely book, but that explanation makes zero sense to me. 

 

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[Caddius]

http://dragonage.wik..._Gate_Guardians

Out of likes, but I love you. 

I mean, I have a completely platonic appreciation for your Codex gifting talents.  *cough*

[Hellion Rex]

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[Caddius]

I know, right?  I've been freaking out and screaming a lot!