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[IllNinjaMonk]

Disassemble wrote...

IllNinjaMonk wrote...

The text is fine. Yes, the game is formatted to be viewed in HD. That's the paradigm shift that's happening these days. The only people complaining are the same ones who complained when VHS went to DVD. I can't even play on a SD tv anymore...

It is true that things are moving towards being more HD friendly, however, this does not mean that SD is dead. If the 59% HD adoption rate is true, that means 41% still have and use SD. I still contend that this is too large of a percentage to wholly ignore. On top of which, there have been a number of people commenting that they ALSO cannot read the text on their HD televisions. This is means that is not simply an SD issue.

Hmmm...  Well, with HD already in the public majority, I don't see the SD viewing issue being a pressing topic, as people aren't going to revert to SD for any reason.  As far as people having problems viewing in HD, perhaps they need to check that they're actually using HD settings?  I don't know.  I've played it on about 5 different models so far and it all looks gravy. 

[DeeLite808]

IllNinjaMonk wrote...



Hmmm...  Well, with HD already in the public majority, I don't see the SD viewing issue being a pressing topic, as people aren't going to revert to SD for any reason.  As far as people having problems viewing in HD, perhaps they need to check that they're actually using HD settings?  I don't know.  I've played it on about 5 different models so far and it all looks gravy. 

cool. do you have $1200 to spare us who can't afford HD right now, just to play this game? I surely dont. College students surely dont. So tell us, how us SDTV users who still are just as important as YOU hdtv customers should deal with this situation?

[theosmenog]

Just wanted to say that my roommate and I are disappointed by the small text sizes also- for us it makes the text really hard to read especially on popups during gameplay and maps. The game is not unplayable- but it NEARLY is, and it's really disappointing since we've been looking forward to playing this since we beat ME1. I know that you guys are busy with tons of different issues right now but even putting in something like a "zoom" function would be really really helpful for those of us who can't afford nice TVs. For the record, we play on a Sony CRT 27inch.



College students deserve a good gaming experience too!

[Tails88]

IllNinjaMonk wrote...

The text is fine. Yes, the game is formatted to be viewed in HD. That's the paradigm shift that's happening these days. The only people complaining are the same ones who complained when VHS went to DVD. I can't even play on a SD tv anymore...

There is just no reason to put a text so little.
No reason.

We're not complainig about graphics, like "you see many details on HD, i want them on SD too!", it's just the font they used. It's useless. It's tiny. It's difficult to read. It's stupid.

There is just no reason to do something like this. This is why we're complaining. Unless they want all SDTV owners to throw the game away (and some HDTV users, too).

Come on, there are plenty of games, like Modern Warfare 2 or Arkham Asylum or ODST (just to tell the first three I can think of) perfecly playable on SDTV.
No one complains about graphics or whatever but we've payed the game too, and we're not able to play it.
And that's not fair. Not with an issue so stupid and so simple to AVOID.

Modifié par Tails88, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:31 .

[IllNinjaMonk]

DeeLite808 wrote...

IllNinjaMonk wrote...



Hmmm...  Well, with HD already in the public majority, I don't see the SD viewing issue being a pressing topic, as people aren't going to revert to SD for any reason.  As far as people having problems viewing in HD, perhaps they need to check that they're actually using HD settings?  I don't know.  I've played it on about 5 different models so far and it all looks gravy. 

cool. do you have $1200 to spare us who can't afford HD right now, just to play this game? I surely dont. College students surely dont. So tell us, how us SDTV users who still are just as important as YOU hdtv customers should deal with this situation?

$1200?  Maybe you can't afford it because you don't know how to shop?  I got my 32" 1080i for about $350.  Something tells me if you can afford an xbox 360 and games regularly, you either have very misaligned priorities or you could afford one in a few months.  I am a college student, and I bought one.  As far as being just as important, it would appear game developers don't believe so, hmm?  Maybe people should just QQ, buy a new TV, or find another game.  Getting mad at me for your misfortune isn't going to get you an HDTV now is it?

[Sheenariel]

[quote]Disassemble wrote...

[quote]IllNinjaMonk wrote...

The text is fine. Yes, the game is formatted to be viewed in HD. That's the paradigm shift that's happening these days. The only people complaining are the same ones who complained when VHS went to DVD. I can't even play on a SD tv anymore...[/quote]
It is true that things are moving towards being more HD friendly, however, this does not mean that SD is dead. If the 59% HD adoption rate is true, that means 41% still have and use SD. I still contend that this is too large of a percentage to wholly ignore. On top of which, there have been a number of people commenting that they ALSO cannot read the text on their HD televisions. This is means that is not simply an SD issue.

[/quote]

Hmmm...  Well, with HD already in the public majority, I don't see the SD viewing issue being a pressing topic, as people aren't going to revert to SD for any reason.  As far as people having problems viewing in HD, perhaps they need to check that they're actually using HD settings?  I don't know.  I've played it on about 5 different models so far and it all looks gravy. 

[/quote]

*nodsnods* yeah... the number say it all...
so... are the number of majority of people who have HDTV's is for all "modern" countries to where the games are shipped? and are the percentage numbers are only the ones for HDTV/SDTV-users who have a 360?

i doubt it... i guess it is more like the numbers are statistically for one country and the theoretical number of HDTV's contra SDTV's for households and not very representative for all XBOX-gamers

that aside, the game is graphically very playable... but not readable in most cases... hell i can play the game and read all needed text... but i skip all text's that are skipable, like the hell of ammount of fluff-texts like the codex and stuff... and for othr stuff i just glance for important information (like: this upgrade gives X%) so i can pick the ones in need first

as others stated... it is less a problem about playability, more about readability and considering people with big HDTV's are complaining too... and i doubt, considering the ammount of games with ismilar problems, that they not have allready looked through their setups (it isn ot like there would be so many options you could change...)

[DeeLite808]

IllNinjaMonk wrote...



$1200?  Maybe you can't afford it because you don't know how to shop?  I got my 32" 1080i for about $350.  Something tells me if you can afford an xbox 360 and games regularly, you either have very misaligned priorities or you could afford one in a few months.  I am a college student, and I bought one.  As far as being just as important, it would appear game developers don't believe so, hmm?  Maybe people should just QQ, buy a new TV, or find another game.  Getting mad at me for your misfortune isn't going to get you an HDTV now is it?

Sorry, but I can't afford an HDTV right now. Xbox games regularly? I buy 2 or 3 games a year for 360 . So im not what you call a 'high" spender where money falls of the trees. I judge what game I buy and buy the ones that I REALLY want. ME2 was a game I REALLY wanted. I dont care that HDTV owners are a "majority"> I've known HDTV owners who have gone through 2 or 3 sets, only 5 years (for breaking, not working correctly, color issues, etc). I've had my SDTV set for 7 years without any problems, its trustworthy, it works and I can play a slew of other games on it JUST fine.

Telling those with SDTV to suck it and buy an HDTV isn't helping us. This is a GAME design FLAW. ME1 was fine for SDTV so I dont know what decision pushed them to make the text 60% smaller for ME2

Why are you even participating in this thread if you dont have a problem reading the TEXT? judging by the complaints here, even HDTV users are HAVING a problem with the text, NOT just SDTV users.


Send everyone in this thread who has an SDTV and have problems $1200 each, and we'll go and buy an HDTV set. Until then, Bioware needs to fix this problem, via a patch.

Modifié par DeeLite808, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:15 .

[IllNinjaMonk]

DeeLite808 wrote...

IllNinjaMonk wrote...



$1200?  Maybe you can't afford it because you don't know how to shop?  I got my 32" 1080i for about $350.  Something tells me if you can afford an xbox 360 and games regularly, you either have very misaligned priorities or you could afford one in a few months.  I am a college student, and I bought one.  As far as being just as important, it would appear game developers don't believe so, hmm?  Maybe people should just QQ, buy a new TV, or find another game.  Getting mad at me for your misfortune isn't going to get you an HDTV now is it?

Sorry, but I can't afford an HDTV right now. Xbox games regularly? I buy 2 or 3 games a year for 360 . So im not what you call a 'high" spender where money falls of the trees. I judge what game I buy and buy the ones that I REALLY want. ME2 was a game I REALLY wanted.

Telling those with SDTV to suck it and buy an HDTV isn't helping us. This is a GAME design FLAW. ME1 was fine for SDTV so I dont know what decision pushed them to make the text 60% smaller for ME2

Why are you even participating in this thread if you dont have a problem reading the TEXT? judging by the complaints here, even HDTV users are HAVING a problem with the text, NOT just SDTV users.


Send everyone in this thread who has an SDTV and have problems $1200 each, and we'll go and buy an HDTV set. Until then, Bioware needs to fix this problem, via a patch.

I still don't understand where you're getting $1200 from.  I just decided to poke my head in because this point seems to get a lot of attention right now when there are real, game breaking issues that should be taken care of.  You know, crashes, registry issues, account linking, aim assist (let me turn it off!), etc.  As far as sending everyone money, I work for what I got.  I sacrificed.  I ate ramen.  I'm not telling SD users to suck it, I'm telling them to put up or shut up.  Either way, it's a game.  You shouldn't be taking it this seriously.  Go outside or something. 

[DeeLite808]

Quick search : http://www.samsung.c...tail&returnurl= $1300.000 and this is not even the HDTV set I would get.

48" LED specs would be nice, but none of those are under $2000


HDTV are an investment. And im not able to or afford that investment at this time. anything smaller than a 46" isn't worth the investment.


Again, send everyone $1200 that owns an  SDTV and we'll mor than happy to join the HDTV owners out there.

as for going outside. I dont play video games much, ME2 was what I was looking forward to after playing the first one. I am busy for most of the year, so when I do have a chance to play a game, it has to be something that is worthwhile.

Telling us to chill isn't going to cure our problem in enjoying this game.

Modifié par DeeLite808, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:30 .

[DeeLite808]

IllNinjaMonk wrote...
 I'm not telling SD users to suck it, I'm telling them to put up or shut up. 

THAT IS EXACTLY what you are telling SDTV owners to do. ITS not our fault that BIOWARE didn't thoroughly test their game on SDTV and made a BAD game DEsign decision to make the tEXT smaller from the FIRST game.

The first GAME the TEXT SIZE was perfect.

I"ll shut up when I can afford an HDTV. At this point in time I can't. many others can't. And what about college kids who can ONLY have SDTV's in their very small dorm rooms?

Love how you are a prime EXAMPLE of the snobbery of HDTV owners.

[IllNinjaMonk]

Oy, I'm done arguing it. I'll just be enjoying my game. On my $350 TV. Which is just fine at 32". Because I can read it.

[DeeLite808]

go ahead. you provided no help to this thread, and instead insulted SDTV owners who can't. Also, HDTV owners are having problems on MUCH bigger screens than yours; you seem to forget that.

[i1983]

jmeador wrote...

I'll throw my hat into the ring on this issue. I have a 27in running at 480p, and I can't read anything at all. I'm sorry but I'm not goin to make my eyes bleeds for this game. If Rare can issue a patch to fix the small text problem within a week or so for Banjo and Kazooie Nuts and bolts ( a game that maybe sold 9 copies) , bioware should have it fixed in no time. Until then I guess I'll go back to MW2.

Same here. The game is fantastic but the text issue makes it nearly unplayable.

[freemans2009]

I have a 26" 480p tv, and I can read the text just fine. The only time I have any trouble is when my roommate has the light on, causing huge amounts of glare, but that only has to do with the light, not the game itself.../

[Nowhere_Man]

IllNinjaMonk wrote...

Oy, I'm done arguing it. I'll just be enjoying my game. On my $350 TV. Which is just fine at 32". Because I can read it.

Please do, the post is not for you. 

As I've said for the umpteenth time, the text is TOO SMALL on my HDTV.  This is not SD v HD, this is about a design choice gone wrong.  Man, some of you are worse than my kids, just trying to a rise out of each other.  

Please Bioware, ignore the HD v SD thing, it isn't about that.  Please look into what you can do about the text size.

[Nowhere_Man]

DP, sorry.

Modifié par Nowhere_Man, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:24 .

[DeeLite808]

Even switching to Widescreen mode on the 360 isn't helping

[Kriztophr]

This is a very serious issue; the game is unplayable with text that is so small.

[Madapaca]

I see this thread is still going strong even after Bioware gave a statement that any text changes would have far reaching changes into the game, as well as not to expect any decisions or fixes any time soon.

While those of you with SD-TVs complaining I understand, the HD-TV users I don't really understand at all. To those with HD-TV sets having issues, what size and brand are you using? Also, how far are you sitting back from the sets?

I went around and checked all of our HD-TVs in the house and ran Mass Effect 2 on all of them. I nor my wife had any real issues reading the text at all. I even asked a few family members or friends that were over. None of them had any problem reading codex entries or CS subtitles/Wheel Choices.

Living room was 46" Samsung 1080P (Couch Seating 10 feet away.)

Family room was 52" Samsung 1080P (Oversized Chair Seating 12 Feet away.)

Bed room was 37" Samsung 1080P (Sofa Seating 8-9 Feet away,)

Guest room was 32" Samsung 720P (Foot of Bed 7 feet away.)

This made me curious as to if those having trouble on HD-TVs do not have their sets properly calibrated and or if they are using HD-MI cables or not. Plus of course how far back are they sitting.

I am willing to bet that if you are having issues with your HD sets, you are either too far away. You are using RGB or some other connection than HDMI. Either that or, your set may not be fine tuned or your settings in your 360 are not set properly.

P.S. I'm not posting my number of HD-TVs to gloat or anything of that nature. Everything I have, I've earned through hard work and dedication to my addiction to technology.

P.P.S. Before that one poster chimes in asking for net worth, yearly income etc, post yours and I'll post mine. Otherwise your comments are not needed, especially since you don't even own the game in question this is all pertaining to.

Modifié par Madapaca, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:47 .

[Disassemble]

@Madapaca

For those who have HD sets and are having trouble, would you mind posting your settings for your 360? It may help them.

Also, I think it is valid for people who do not own the game to voice their concern here. I know that readability would go into my buying decisions for a game, as I like to read all of the text, and knowing that it is a concern is useful information.

Lastly, when it comes to income, net worth, and all that jazz, it really just comes down to this: Some people can afford an HD television, and some people can't, even at a $350 price point (as someone quoted, I do not remember whom). No one knows the financial circumstances of anyone on here now and no one knows what anyone else's financial standing was when they got an Xbox. The only finances anyone knows about are their own.

Modifié par Disassemble, 31 janvier 2010 - 12:12 .

[mystic_wolf83]

I have to agree,literally have to walk up directly in front of my television every time a dialogue starts. Sounds great if something like NATAL was in the game where you are rewarded for being in front of a view point but just playing the game from more than 5 feet away seems to be a problem....I just give up in some circumstances and chose the higher option (paragon) and lower option (renegade) without reading what the option is. Sometimes the text even blends into the background that is the same color which is even more frustrating when there is a blue light or crate on the top and/or bottom of certain conversation screens. Wound up getting renegade points on a paragon campaign and failed to see what I said was wrong but then again not exactly sure what I was trying to express because of the text. Just some way to adjust the font and/or color would be great.

[Snooba]

I don't have an HD TV or a widescreen, but when I changed the 360 settings to "widescreen", I could atleast read the codex entries, with minor squinting. Before, my retinas were on fire trying to read it. Thanks Bioware for posting in here, and acknowledging the problem.

[Altanese]

I'd just like to note that for everyone saying the game needs HDTV 720p/1080i/1080p and that people who have that just don't have the correct settings, ME1 also had the same thing on the game box. So do most of my 360 games, and all of them work fine on my SDTV. HDTV is not a requirement for these games, it is simply a suggestion for optimal viewing experience. BioWare made a big mistake when they gave the go ahead, either for not testing it on very many formats, or for seeing it and deciding it was not an issue.



Either way, they need to realize that not having the Collector armor and gun (which I got just fine) is not a game-breaking issue. Text size in such a text-heavy game -is- a game breaking issue, one that will make people reconsider buying, or return the game if they already bought it.

[Sunyavadin]

I'm curious, yes, the text seems to be a slightly narrower font, but can someone post pics of what it looks like on their SD televisions? On mine the only thing impeding me reading it is how often the background is the same colour as the text, but that usually fixes itself when the camera angle changes.

I'm wondering if the quality may be down to the age of the TV, as mine's pretty new, since good sized CRTs are so cheap these days (You know, in the price range that we students being gouged by the government's anti-education stance can afford, £30 or so unlike the £300 being asked for LCD TVs the same size as my current one, twice the price of a new 360 Elite).

I'm wondering because with my old CRT the text on ME1 was a bit blurry, readable but still blurry, but on the new TV it's nice and sharp. So, could it be that Bioware tested both games on SDTVs that haven't seen much use beyond firing them up once every few months to test a new game works in SD? Ones that haven't had time for real wear on the cathode to take place? In which case might the solution for anyone like me, unable to afford a HD set or unwilling to invest so much, be to pick up a cheap new CRT?

Modifié par Sunyavadin, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:39 .

[Darth Schmoopy]

I am willing to bet that if you are having issues with your HD sets, you are either too far away. You are using RGB or some other connection than HDMI. Either that or, your set may not be fine tuned or your settings in your 360 are not set properly.

Well, no. White text on a very light background is not easy to read at any resolution, even when you have your TV set up to be perfect. We don't all have perfect vision. This is a legitimate complaint for HDTV users too.

I'm no game dev so take this with as large a grain of salt as you think it deserves. I get that it would be a nuisance for Bioware to change all the text, since it affects the placement of a lot of widgets (in the equipment screen, for example), but I don't really suspect it'd be as hard to throw in a grey underlay like in Dragon Age's dialog selectors. I mean, heaps of text in Dragon Age is as small as this, but because of the background, it's just not as squinty.

P.P.S. Before that one poster chimes in asking for net worth, yearly income etc, post yours and I'll post mine. Otherwise your comments are not needed, especially since you don't even own the game in question this is all pertaining to.

Well I won't, but I'll tell you where my yearly income comes from and that's web development. And any noob in that field knows that when you put text on a screen, particularly when it's small, you need to have an appropriate amount of contrast between the foreground and the background. You can compensate for the difficulty of that by increasing the text size OR increasing the contrast, or both. It's basic common sense for anyone who puts pixels on screens.



PS: This text thingy? Is seriously my ONLY complaint about this game so far. I still love it.

Modifié par Darth Schmoopy, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:56 .