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[Syrellaris]

baycitybrawler wrote...

1) I will not buy a hdtv to accompany my $60 game purchase. that's dumb and pompous.
2) getting my eyes checked will not change the fact that my eyesight is not the best it's ever been. small text discriminates against people who's eyesight is less than stellar.
3) next time save some money on the writers ea and bioware. apparently you don't want the majority of us to read what they wrote for you.
4) it's sad that people begged for the text to be fixed on banjo freakin' kazooie and it was fixed. and we are told about design choices. just say it's a hard fix and we don't know if we can fix it. don't tell us that you intended the majority of us to be unable to read the massive amounts of text in the game because you thought it would be a great design choice. that's a cop-out.

1) Logically you shoudn't buy a television for a game. But using a 10(***)+ year old Television is not the reason to blame the developers for not being able to read there fonts on your severely outdated tv.
*** Assuming
2) If your Eye sight isnt that great and you cant read the small texts, called subtitles in games and movies. Then it is time to get your eyes checked.
3)THe problem, again, lies not with the game.
4)The game buyers not having decent new age tv's, is not a design flaw.

[Disassemble]

Syrellaris wrote...

moiraesfate wrote...

Michael Gamble, when the design flaw is so bad that it makes the game nearly unplayable, its a major problem, not one to be put on the backburner. I hope to hell you guys don't do this to SWTOR.

When the problem isn't caused by the game, but by the game buyer, it seems that the problem exists either in 3 options

1) Pebcak
2) The TV
3) Distance between tv and buyer.

and since this problem isnt caused by the game....take your pick

This may sound a little crazy, but bear with me a moment.

I can't create problems with me 360 game. Weird, I know, but I haven't hacked my system, or try to make my own cables, or entered in my own code in the console or the game, I am not running more than one program on my console, nor am I using it in any way not intended by Microsoft. Now, I am sure there are other ways to cause problems with a game on my 360, but I'm not doing them. Nope. Nada. Nosirree, Bob.

It's nice that you are not having a problem. We are. It would be one thing if Bioware had specified a requirement or made a public announcement that they were no longer support SDTVs. Strangely enough, they didn't. Even more strangely, the 360 is made to be used with both SD and HD televisions. This means there is a reasonable expectation that people would be using their 360 with an SD TV.

Also, you have failed to notice the number of people on here with HD televisions who are reporting problems. Maybe it was an oversight. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I understand that there may have been some confusion due to the few people extolling how wonderful everything is for them and how they cannot seem to comprehend that other people are having problems they are not. However, this thread is not, I repeat, NOT an argument over SD or HD or 3D or whathaveyou. What this thread is a bunch people asking for technical help. on this technical help forum so that they play and enjoy and immerse themselves in a game on a system that was made to be used on their television.

[Madapaca]

baycitybrawler wrote...

1) I will not buy a hdtv to accompany my $60 game purchase. that's dumb and pompous.
2) getting my eyes checked will not change the fact that my eyesight is not the best it's ever been. small text discriminates against people who's eyesight is less than stellar.
3) next time save some money on the writers ea and bioware. apparently you don't want the majority of us to read what they wrote for you.
4) it's sad that people begged for the text to be fixed on banjo freakin' kazooie and it was fixed. and we are told about design choices. just say it's a hard fix and we don't know if we can fix it. don't tell us that you intended the majority of us to be unable to read the massive amounts of text in the game because you thought it would be a great design choice. that's a cop-out.

1.) That's your choice, if you cant afford one but buy an HD-TV for this game alone that would be dumb. If you can afford one however and bought an HD-TV for the multitude of other games, consoles, and movies that look vastly superior on them that would be a smart thing.

2.) Knowing you have failing eyesight but choosing not to see an opthomologist, then complaining about not being able to see anything is not discrimination it's sheer stupidity. You are only hurting yourself further by not getting the proper attention your eyesight needs.

3.) I think they've hired fine writers and personally can't wait to see what they come up with for Mass Effect 3. As you stated above, your inability to read the text does not solely rest on Bioware since you refuse to get proper eye care.

4.) People complained about the text for Nuts and Bolts, Rare said it was too expensive to fix. The game was dead on arrival, and in a last ditch effort they patched the game a month after release. Guess whut? The game still didn't sell.

Bioware has stated that any changes in the text will have far reaching changes into the entire game. This is why a fix is not coming any time soon if at all. So, they did tell you that it can't be fixed at this time, and they chose for it to be that way. Sucks, but you'll just have to deal with it. They're aware of the complaints, if they deem the patch cost effective you may or may not have a sollution some day down the road.

[Syrellaris]

Disassemble wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

moiraesfate wrote...

Michael Gamble, when the design flaw is so bad that it makes the game nearly unplayable, its a major problem, not one to be put on the backburner. I hope to hell you guys don't do this to SWTOR.

When the problem isn't caused by the game, but by the game buyer, it seems that the problem exists either in 3 options

1) Pebcak
2) The TV
3) Distance between tv and buyer.

and since this problem isnt caused by the game....take your pick

This may sound a little crazy, but bear with me a moment.

I can't create problems with me 360 game. Weird, I know, but I haven't hacked my system, or try to make my own cables, or entered in my own code in the console or the game, I am not running more than one program on my console, nor am I using it in any way not intended by Microsoft. Now, I am sure there are other ways to cause problems with a game on my 360, but I'm not doing them. Nope. Nada. Nosirree, Bob.

It's nice that you are not having a problem. We are. It would be one thing if Bioware had specified a requirement or made a public announcement that they were no longer support SDTVs. Strangely enough, they didn't. Even more strangely, the 360 is made to be used with both SD and HD televisions. This means there is a reasonable expectation that people would be using their 360 with an SD TV.

Also, you have failed to notice the number of people on here with HD televisions who are reporting problems. Maybe it was an oversight. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I understand that there may have been some confusion due to the few people extolling how wonderful everything is for them and how they cannot seem to comprehend that other people are having problems they are not. However, this thread is not, I repeat, NOT an argument over SD or HD or 3D or whathaveyou. What this thread is a bunch people asking for technical help. on this technical help forum so that they play and enjoy and immerse themselves in a game on a system that was made to be used on their television.

It is indeed correct that the xbox supports both SD and HD. It is however up to the user to manuall install the correct settings for its xbox and television to obtain optimal viewing pleasure. If these options do not work, then it is clear that your television is to old to accept the settings and you just have to make due with what you got.

I used to have a similiar like problem with a game (two worlds) of the game not fitting correctly in my screen. Parts of the game worlds were just cut of at the edges of were my television stopped. I tried several settings to fix this, I even centered the picture in my television again, but to no success. I had to buy a new television anyway, so that makes my situation slightly different, since my scart connection was not working anymore, but I had the xbox connected by AV at the time. Eitherway, I saved up some cash and bought a new television, connected my xbox through component and set the settings to match the max of my tv. Low and behold, problem solved. The game fit exactly as it supposed to be.

I did not complain or tell the developers to go out and fix the problem for me, that in the first place was not a game problem. The same thing is happening here. Users simply not understanding console / TV settings.

Have you ever thought perhaps, that asking for a fix and bigger fonts so that you dont have to get of your 'lazy' ass and fix your own problem, might actually cuz problems for people that do have the right settings (HDMI does it for you btw). For example, an increase in font, might help you, but might make the fonts look terrible on tv's the game was designed for in the first place.

[Kriztophr]

It isn't just the interactive text that is hard to read; text on loading screens, text on alert pop ups, character highlight boxes and most every other piece of text is far too small to read clearly.

Bioware has not said that it is an SD vs HD issue. The Xbox 360 supports SD, so there's no reason an Xbox 360 game should not be properly viewable on an SDTV.

This may have been a design choice, but it was a very poor one. Unless this is fixed in a timely manner, I doubt very much that I'll purchase a Bioware game (or an EA game) ever again.

Modifié par Kriztophr, 01 février 2010 - 05:07 .

[DeeLite808]

HDtV snobs are awesomely funny to see their replies

Syrellaris wrote...
1) Logically you shoudn't buy a television for a game. But using a 10(***)+ year old Television is not the reason to blame the developers for not being able to read there fonts on your severely outdated tv.
*** Assuming

SDtVS aren't outdated. They are still being sold in Walmarts and Targets around the country. I bought my gaming TV set only 7 years ago. The most recent tv set i bought was 3 years ago. Both are SDTV.

HDTV's came out 6 years ago, and STILL have yet to become standard in every home in America.

All they would need to do to TEST to see if the text can be seen on a normal SDTV is to output the game at 480p on a 27" HDTV set. IF its too small to see on that, then its tOO small to see on ANY screen.

2) If your Eye sight isnt that great and you cant read the small texts, called subtitles in games and movies. Then it is time to get your eyes checked.

There are people out there that have corrected vision to only so much .That's with glasses or contacts. My cousin is 2 points off of being legally blind, and his glasses can only correct to 20/40 (otherwise its a $5000 surgery to get to 20/20 something he can't afford). That means he can't legally drive. Yet he plays video games. He plays RPG's and FPS just fine, but he doesn't need to sit 1 foot from the tv set in order to play it. The TEXT that do appear in these games are just fine to read.

Also, this can become an ADA issue if someone decides to PURSUE it as legal case.  All products sold must be able to be accessed by anyone, including those who are close to legally blind. If a game has unreable text, and these texts are important to advancement of the game in plot and story, then it can become a huge legal issue on both EA and BioWare to offer a fix.

I personally had LASIK done. That means I have 20/20 vision. I can't read the text.

3)THe problem, again, lies not with the game.

The problem is with the game, A DESIGN issue problem that could have been caught had they NOT made a decision to make the text 60% smaller than the text in ME1. 

THEY HAD complaints about ME1 about text not being able to be read especially on the star maps, and here they decide to go smaller...

I mean, WTF ?

THEY knew they had a text problem from the FIRST game.

4)The game buyers not having decent new age tv's, is not a design flaw.

as stated earlier in this thread. IF you HDTV snobs can spare the $1200 each to buy us SDTV owners an HDTV set, then we wotn complain (but again, even HDTV owners are complaining anyway)

Modifié par DeeLite808, 01 février 2010 - 05:21 .

[DeeLite808]

Syrellaris wrote...

It is indeed correct that the xbox supports both SD and HD. It is however up to the user to manuall install the correct settings for its xbox and television to obtain optimal viewing pleasure. If these options do not work, then it is clear that your television is to old to accept the settings and you just have to make due with what you got.

a 3 year old SDTV set  isn't too old to for anything. 

IF bioware was going to make a decision to support HDTV 's only then THEY should have made it up front and a REQUIREMENT on their box.

However,
they didnt
and its not a requirement


So until game publishers make HDTV a requirement in order to play their games, THEY need to design for the LOWEST common denominator. SDTV's are still around, still being used to play games on and NEED to be accomodated.

Why BioWare didn't put an OPTION in the game about TEXT size is what I find stupid. If you're going to make a design choice to make text smaller, then MAKE it so that the USER can choose the TEXT size they want in the game.

Offer 3 sizes based on the common HDTV settings and 1 for SDTV settings. Or have the game AUTO detect based on the person's Xbox 360 settings.


The rest of your post is just another example of HDTV snobbery.

You are not here to help with this VERY important TECHNICAL issue. You are here to of course trample on those who DO have a technical problem

Modifié par DeeLite808, 01 février 2010 - 05:20 .

[DeeLite808]

Just to be clear. Can the HDTV owners who ARE NOT having a problem with the text, just not reply?



Most of us DO know what we are talking about, how we set up the 360 for our TV's and those with HDTV's who are having a text problem, probably set up their sets correct as well.



If you are here to simply antagonize, harass, or simply put down those who haven't put down the cash to buy an HDTV and "join the new age" your comments are unwelcomed, not wanted and unwarranted.



Also dont tell use to 'get our eyes checked'. Even I, with 20/20 vision due to LASIK surgery am unable to read the text. This is also a very tiresome and unwelcomed comment.

[BloPant]

I couldnt help but laugh when I read the review OXM gave for mass effect 2.


“The pace and ferocity of the best battles will leave you on your knees in front of the TV, eyelids twitching.”

I'd say it's more the small texts fault your eyes twitch....


more on topic, I can understand bioware making a game for HDTV's. it makes sense keeping with the times and aqll that, but to do so with no warning just seems dumb.

Modifié par BloPant, 01 février 2010 - 07:09 .

[Kriztophr]

anyone else who is frustrated with being unable to play this game should contact various gaming news sites, as I did.

tips@kotaku.com

tips@consumerist.com

http://arstechnica.c...rs-technica.ars

when a high-profile title like Mass Effect 2 has such a serious defect, the issue should be spread around so that people are aware before they pay $60 for a flawed product.

Modifié par Kriztophr, 01 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[Madapaca]

DeeLite808 wrote...

Just to be clear. Can the HDTV owners who ARE NOT having a problem with the text, just not reply?

Most of us DO know what we are talking about, how we set up the 360 for our TV's and those with HDTV's who are having a text problem, probably set up their sets correct as well.

If you are here to simply antagonize, harass, or simply put down those who haven't put down the cash to buy an HDTV and "join the new age" your comments are unwelcomed, not wanted and unwarranted.

Also dont tell use to 'get our eyes checked'. Even I, with 20/20 vision due to LASIK surgery am unable to read the text. This is also a very tiresome and unwelcomed comment.

For ****s and giggles, I took my Xbox 360 over to my 7 year old nephew's TV. It's a 37" SD TV set up in his bedroom to play Wii on. I had to actually call around to find a family member with an SD-TV available. My extended family is by no means wealthy, yet it was still a chore.

After hooking it up (RGB Cables running 480P), setting the correct settings for output on the 360, and popping in the game I found:

I can still read it. I ran aorund the ship acessing various menus, still can read it. I set further back, yet I can still read it. It wasn't until I was clear over in the doorway to the room that I started having trouble. I must have superhuman eye sight!

I called over my nephew after making sure what I was gonna show him didn't have any profanity in it. (Mature rated game afterall). I asked him to read the text, and to my suprise he did. (Perfectly fine might I add to that)

You tell me and others not having problems not to reply, yet we have every bit as much right to share our opinions as you do. You think it needs it  a patch, I think it doesn't but would not oppose Bioware for doing so.

For every one person you show saying they can't read it on SD-TVs, there are several who are having no problems. For every one person with an HD-TV saying they can't read it, there are vast numbers who think it's just perfect.

When someone sits here and posts that they don't have good eye sight and have no plans to get it checked, then you should urge them to get their eyesight checked too. You having had eye surgery know better than anyone the benefits of having kept up with their health problems.

See where I am going with this? This forum is here as a way for us all to communicate with one another and Bioware/EA. If you don't like the system put in place for feedback, then perhaps it is you that should not post here.

Modifié par Madapaca, 01 février 2010 - 07:47 .

[Altanese]

So tomorrow or the day after, I'll be able to squeeze by with ponying up the money for a new HDTV and a cord for it. If that works, I'll tell you guys for whatever it's worth. If I still have problems, I will die from an anurism and none of you will ever hear from me again.

Modifié par Altanese, 01 février 2010 - 08:05 .

[DeeLite808]

Madapaca wrote...


For ****s and giggles, I took my Xbox 360 over to my 7 year old nephew's TV. It's a 37" SD TV set up in his bedroom to play Wii on. I had to actually call around to find a family member with an SD-TV available. My extended family is by no means wealthy, yet it was still a chore.

SO what?

This a 12 page thread and its an ISSUE. What's your problem with others HAVING AN issue?

I have 29" SDTV and I can't read the text. I changed the settings on my xbox to Widescreen and I can't still see the text.

I dont care if you can see it on your cousins 37" (post pics for proof) . AS stated throughout this ENTIRE THREAD, some are having issues, Some aren't.

Good for you if you aren't.

the title of this thread is "TEXT IS TOO SMALL" -- Seems there is enough people here complaining about it.

Kays?

IF you can see the text, why ARE YOU bother to post to this thread?


1) you're not offering a solution

2) you're just here to "one" up us, there by insulting those who DO have a problem

if you're not having a problem, just leave us so that we can get to BioWare ot offer a fix. Otherwise, you're just polluting the thread.


As stated above:


If you're here to say "upgrade" to an HDTV or "get your eyes checked" your comments are NOT wanted, nor welcomed. You're not the first person to say it in this 12 page thread, and I for one would like people to stop saying it


A product should not be unplayable if TEXT is main crux of getting through the story and game. If a 20/20 visioned person cannot read the text clearly on a SDTV, then even if someone with corrected vision will have a problem.


AND SDtV users are not the only ones. AS STATED through this thread numerous times, SOME HDTV owners are having a problem with the text.

Modifié par DeeLite808, 01 février 2010 - 08:54 .

[DeeLite808]

Madapaca wrote...


See where I am going with this? This forum is here as a way for us all to communicate with one another and Bioware/EA. If you don't like the system put in place for feedback, then perhaps it is you that should not post here.

No, you dont get  it. This thread is about a very bad technical issue BASED on a game design choic, that BioWare should have been aware of while QA-ing the game. The fact they neglected to notice that the TEXT is unreadable on SDTV goes to show how much time they put into QA-ing the game thoroughly.


These forums are the only place we customers with SDTV's can voice our opinions and want answers. Otherwise, we have to go through Ea's atrocious customer support system, and who knows if BioWare will get our complaints from them.

What we dont want to see is people like you telling US to suck it up. We dont want to see people like you telling us "why dont you just **** upgrade". We dont want to see people like you telling us to "get our eyes checked".

These are NOT helpful answers. They only pollute the thread and start bickering amongs elitist. This is worst than system/console wars.


So, for every person who can't read the text they should just throw the game away? Are you suggesting that?
So in your mind, if only a few complains then its really a non-issue?

Seriously, grow up. 1 complaint is 1 too much. All it takes is one complaint to the right people and this issue becomes bigger than the few who are complaining here.

For every one of us complaining about the text and use this forum to complain, there are probably others out there who have the same issue, but dont KNOW how to get about submitting their complaint.

Modifié par DeeLite808, 01 février 2010 - 08:57 .

[podmark]

Madapaca, what settings did you use? I'm pretty sure my issue is just the age and quality of my particular SDTV but hey if there's some settings I've missed please let me know.



I was able to try a newer SDTV for a bit. It's like 3 or 4 years old and has a flat screen as opposed to my 8+ year old tube TV. The text is much clearer but still smaller than I'd prefer - but it is readable as long as I wasn't sitting too far away.





Look guys the point here is that because of the change in font from ME2 it is difficult to impossible for many SDTV and some HDTV users to read the text on their current TV. It is not too much for us to ask BioWare to fix it. I'm sure they will look into the feasibility of changing the text and make a decision from there. Depending on whats involved they may be able to issue out a fix or they might not. But there is nothing wrong with people asking.

[thejshman]

The text was perfect for me in ME1. Why change?



In my attempt to make the text readable, I did clean my TV screen for the first time in about 3 years, so there's a positive...

[Sunyavadin]

To back up Madapaca here, I play ME2 on a 16:9 26" SDTV with no problems reading the text apart from the lack of any contrast with the background in many areas.

Admittedly this TV is only about a year old, and the text has some blur on my ten year old 26" set, though is still readable.

I could dig out my old 12" and 16" sets from the back of the cupboard and try on those. I expect it'd be impossible to see it on them.

[Madapaca]

DeeLite808 wrote...

SO what?

This a 12 page thread and its an ISSUE. What's your problem with others HAVING AN issue?

It's an "ISSUE" to some people, not all people. If it were all people then by all means, the backlash would be greater and your 12 page thread would be a 12000 page thread by now. I have no problems with others having the "ISSUE". They however must be made aware that not everyone does, and that Bioware has already commented on the "ISSUE", and is taking it under advisement. They've said they will make a decision on the "ISSUE" at their leisure and discretion, one way or the other.

DeeLite808 wrote...

I have 29" SDTV and I can't read the text. I changed the settings on my xbox to Widescreen and I can't still see the text.

I dont care if you can see it on your cousins 37" (post pics for proof) . AS stated throughout this ENTIRE THREAD, some are having issues, Some aren't.

Good for you if you aren't.

the title of this thread is "TEXT IS TOO SMALL" -- Seems there is enough people here complaining about it.

Kays?

IF you can see the text, why ARE YOU bother to post to this thread?

I'm sorry that you both have an SD-TV and that you can't read the text on it. I'm also sorry that you changed the settings on your Xbox to Widescreen and still can't read it. Your only solution is to wait on Bioware/EA to release a decision on what they intend to do. No amount of posts by you or me is going to change that because in the end, it all comes down to what they feel is the right choice financially, and worth time doing. Sad that your happiness relies on what some accountant from EA will tell Bioware they can and cannot do, but it's a business.

You're delusional if you think I am going to go back over to my siblings house so I can take a picture of the game running on my nephew's TV for your gratification. I don't care if you believe me or not, that's your problem not mine.

I'm greatful I don't suffer from your "ISSUE", that does not mean I have no compassion for your plight.

I know very well what the title of this thread is. I've posted in it, and the several other threads similar such as this. While it's true there are several vocal people here on the boards, there are thousands of others either unaffected or making do with what they have.

Kays? Slang for Okay? I guess it's okay.

Yes, I can see the text and I'm posting because I can. Not everyone is aware that Bioware/EA knows and there are some people out there who make assumptions such as the one poster who said they hoped Bioware did not do this to Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic. Even though, that game is a PC game which obviously means they are un-informed. 

DeeLite808 wrote...

1) you're not offering a solution

2) you're just here to "one" up us, there by insulting those who DO have a problem

if you're not having a problem, just leave us so that we can get to BioWare ot offer a fix. Otherwise, you're just polluting the thread.

1.) Yes, I have offered solutions. Myself and others have said that while they wait on Bioware/EA to make up their minds, they can weigh their options. They can buy HD-TVs, set the game aside until a patch comes if ever. They can also choose to sell the game in protest if they see fit. Just because you don't like the solutions offered, does not make them any less valid.

2.) If I make you envious, then that is your own problem. It is not my intention to insult you, or any other person with this issue. Your fight is with Bioware/EA on this "ISSUE", not with me.

I've stated it before and I'll say it again that I have every bit the right to be here as you do. If anyone is polluting this thread it's you. You think you are being an advocate for those with the "ISSUE" but instead your the type of person to look a gift horse in the mouth. Instead of thanking Bioware/EA for at least acknowledging the issue and waiting patiently for an answer, you question the manner in which they chose to communcate back with us. You insult their intelligence by questioning their reasoning behind their decision making process. You have no idea the reason they went with the text the did.

As a consumer you have a right to expect a product you purchase to benefit you purchasing it. You bought the game expecting to be able to play it, and you can't. Bioware is taking what you had to say under advisement, that's it. End of story, you need to let it go.

DeeLite808 wrote...

As stated above:


If you're here to say "upgrade" to an HDTV or "get your eyes checked" your comments are NOT wanted, nor welcomed. You're not the first person to say it in this 12 page thread, and I for one would like people to stop saying it


A product should not be unplayable if TEXT is main crux of getting through the story and game. If a 20/20 visioned person cannot read the text clearly on a SDTV, then even if someone with corrected vision will have a problem.


AND SDtV users are not the only ones. AS STATED through this thread numerous times, SOME HDTV owners are having a problem with the text.

What myself and others say is again, our right. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. If you are taking things personal, and getting upset over your $60 videogame then perhaps you need to take a step back and reflect on your life priorities.

The product is unplayable for you. Not everyone, and that is what Bioware/EA is going to have to decide. How much money, and time, and resources should be spent to make it so you and those like you can play the game. I have said all along I hope they fix it for you. I just personally feel they won't as to do so would be counterproductive in their eyes.

For every 10 SD-TV users that have complained, there is one HD-TV user. Several factos are going to figure in to this, make and model of the HD-TV, settings, and eyesight/distance. In fact, earlier a person was complaining about their particular HD-TV and some one posted after it that they had the same model with no problems. What does that show you? Shows you that settings, eye sight may be the problem for those particular HD-TV users.

[Selvec_Darkon]

Not Bioware, Xbox360. Newest Updates and stuff did something to how the video ratio is displayed. Does it for me on all my games to. SD TV's no longer display the games properly, sucks ass.

[Sunyavadin]

Odd. I've had no such noticeable changes to display resolution and aspect ratio... Not in 4 years of having a 360.

[Kell06]

I am a keen xbox player and have an SD TV. As a regular consumer of video games, it is completely unacceptable for a console game developer to develop a game which has major gameplay impaired because the TV is not HD. This is the reason why I don't play PC games, so I can play games without having to worry about getting additional technology. HD is still not considered the norm, whatever might be thought by those people who own HD TVs and believe it's just a matter of upgrading.



The problem is such that it completely degrades my enjoyment and playability of the game. I'd be surprised if this wasn't picked up in user testing, and if it was, then shame on BioWare for ignoring those people who are still happy to use their SD TV.



I see no reason to switch to HD TV as my SD TV still meets all my needs. In practice, I will instead return my game, unless there is a patch announced VERY soon. Much as I love playing games, I know this is essentially a business, and the only way to make a business respond is to hit them where it hurts.

[Madapaca]

podmark wrote...

Madapaca, what settings did you use? I'm pretty sure my issue is just the age and quality of my particular SDTV but hey if there's some settings I've missed please let me know.

I was able to try a newer SDTV for a bit. It's like 3 or 4 years old and has a flat screen as opposed to my 8+ year old tube TV. The text is much clearer but still smaller than I'd prefer - but it is readable as long as I wasn't sitting too far away.

Look guys the point here is that because of the change in font from ME2 it is difficult to impossible for many SDTV and some HDTV users to read the text on their current TV. It is not too much for us to ask BioWare to fix it. I'm sure they will look into the feasibility of changing the text and make a decision from there. Depending on whats involved they may be able to issue out a fix or they might not. But there is nothing wrong with people asking.

Pod, from what I can tell it might be an issue with much older curved SD-TV sets. Those being the non flat tube ones etc. My nephew's is a two and a half year old Sony Model that was bought when our local Best Buy stopped selling SD-TV. It has a flat tube with S-Video, RCA, and RGB connections.

I did a few menu configurations on the TV settings itself. Picture Mode, contrast, brightness, color etc. I connected it with the RGB Xbox cable (with the switch), set the output on the TV to progressive, and set the Xbox settings as follows:

HDTV Settings: 480P
Screen Format: Widescreen
Reference levels: Intermediate

While not fantastic picture quality, it was none the less very readable. You could easily make out what was being displayed.

I agree, no harm in asking or adding to the number of people saying they have the issue. The problem comes when people get upset with Bioware/EA without knowing the facts and or why they made the choices they did. That does nothing but show you are a sad bitter person, one that Bioware/EA could do without. You get a better results when cooler heads prevail.

[Madapaca]

DeeLite808 wrote...

Madapaca wrote...


See where I am going with this? This forum is here as a way for us all to communicate with one another and Bioware/EA. If you don't like the system put in place for feedback, then perhaps it is you that should not post here.

No, you dont get  it. This thread is about a very bad technical issue BASED on a game design choic, that BioWare should have been aware of while QA-ing the game. The fact they neglected to notice that the TEXT is unreadable on SDTV goes to show how much time they put into QA-ing the game thoroughly.


These forums are the only place we customers with SDTV's can voice our opinions and want answers. Otherwise, we have to go through Ea's atrocious customer support system, and who knows if BioWare will get our complaints from them.

What we dont want to see is people like you telling US to suck it up. We dont want to see people like you telling us "why dont you just **** upgrade". We dont want to see people like you telling us to "get our eyes checked".

These are NOT helpful answers. They only pollute the thread and start bickering amongs elitist. This is worst than system/console wars.

So, for every person who can't read the text they should just throw the game away? Are you suggesting that?
So in your mind, if only a few complains then its really a non-issue?

Seriously, grow up. 1 complaint is 1 too much. All it takes is one complaint to the right people and this issue becomes bigger than the few who are complaining here.

For every one of us complaining about the text and use this forum to complain, there are probably others out there who have the same issue, but dont KNOW how to get about submitting their complaint.

I addressed most of this in my reply to your earlier post. A few things here though that stood out and I felt the need to touch on.

I get the issue just fine, you apparently do not. Bioware/EA made this choice despite Q/A and testing. It was a choice to go with that they did. For you to say they didn't do it right is your opinion. They may rethink their choice and issue a patch or they may stand by their earlier stance and leave it as is.

You telling me and others to grow up is laughable. You should take your own advice and not turn this into a crusade against people who don't share your opinons or views.

Your complaint has been heard, all that needs to be done now is for people to keep posting adding their voice to the tally. As the representative from Bioware/EA said in his statement to us all, they're aware and no amount of PMs will make an answer come quicker if it all. They have their hands full with the launch, and fixing bugs. When that is all done with, then they'll probably get around to what amounts to them as a cosmetic deisgn choice. Not a moment sooner, and you'll just have to live with that.

[DreDk]

This is a real problem!

And step back from Mass Effect 1 (one of many let me say!)

In the first one, everything was clearly readable now it is impossible to play it from the sofa!

And I am using the same Samsung LCD!



Bah, I am disappointed by Mass Effect2, it seems too much an EA multiplat game!



But the worst thing is how they change the visual continuity with mass effect1:

NO ANTI ALIASING (xbox360 version)

NO GRAIN FILTER

NO MOTION BLUR

MEDIOCRE TEXTURE AND EFFECT EVERYWARE...



BAH the EA EFFECT has become...

[Redshirt-1701]

I agree with Disassemble. Bigger text Zoom and marking on the map and radar HUD, but most importantly bigger text. I have to get out of my chair and go to the TV anytime I want to read anything on the screen. This is just unacceptable. Especially since the text in ME1 was just fine. Please, please please fix this soon.