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Altanese

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Could we at least get some sort of response from someone at BioWare?

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Nowhere_Man

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I'm "only" 37 and I feel like my retinas are detaching because I insist on reading everything.



Seriously though, hopefully if enough of us raise this issue, I'm sure something will be done (but probably not before the money printer that is DLC handled"

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"I have a fairly big TV, and though it's not HD"

games made for HD look like crap on SD and are mostly impossible to read.

Modifié par chaosaxess, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:56 .


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Not sure what you guys are speaking of although I need to go read some codex entries I guess and see if it's an issue for me. Dialog choices I've had no issues reading at all, or subtitles. And my vision is less than stellar.

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While I understand most of your frustrations with Bioware/EA on this matter, they are actually catering to the majority now. The person who posted earlier saying HD-TV ready homes were the minority in America was mistaken. As of this year, 2010:

"A recent Cable & Telecommunications Association for Marketing
(CTAM) tracking Pulse report shows strong growth over the past year in
HDTV ownership. In 2009, 53 percent of total U.S. households report
owning a high definition television, an 18 percentage point increase in
ownership over 2008, when 35 percent of households reported owning an
HDTV (23 percent in 2007). Among HDTV set owners, 69 percent now
subscribe to high definition service, compared to 56 percent a year ago.


Ownership of large screen televisions -32 inches and larger - has
also seen solid growth. In 2009, 59 percent of households owned one, up
from 52 percent in 2008 (44 percent in 2007)."


I hope that they fix the issue for those of you who still have not for whatever reason upgraded your TVs, but I understand if this is not a top priority for them. This is not targeted towards children such as games like Nuts & Bolts was, it is targeted towards mature gamers. Hence, why they went with texts and fonts that are pretty much HD-TV / PC Monitor only.

For those of you who still play Xbox, and PS3 games on standard definition televisions, you are missing out on seeing how the games are meant to be played. It's not just an investment for this game, but all games, and if you make the leap into HD channels with cable, and movies such a Blu-ray; that even sweetens the deal.

Those with HD-TVs still having issues, I would hazard to guess that you either have your HD-TV settings done incorrectly, or you possibly need to see an opthamologist. If you have the means, you should embrace the technology. They have not even sold standard def TVs in stores in my area for going on over a year. You can only purchase HDTVs now that low end models are the same as old standard def price wise.

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Also I can't believe so few people have HD TV's. Most TV's whether they are flat screen or projection have been at least 1080i (which is HD by definition) for the last 8-10 years. I think too many people "think" their TV is not HD when in fact in most cases it is. It's a common misconception that only lcd or plasma screens are HD. If you have component inputs with the red, yellow, white, blue, green configuration you have an HD set, it's just a question of what resolution. If you just have red yellow and white then you are still in the SD category. From being in the industry of selling TV service to the home, most customers when asked do not even know if their TV is HD or not and have to have this explained so they can go check their inputs. So those survey numbers have been skewed for years. People answer no more often then not when indeed their TV has been HD ready whether they knew it or not.

Modifié par Chasedanger, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:05 .


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When the hell did this become a commercial for HDTV? Look, I don't have a few hundred bucks just lying around. Most of my money goes towards food and bills; ME2 was a luxery, one I wanted to be able to fully enjoy.

Don't get me wrong. I love BioWare. I have nearly all the games they've made. Which is why I really wish I could enjoy Mass Effect 2 to it's full extent.

Modifié par Altanese, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:13 .


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Chasedanger wrote...

Also I can't believe so few people have HD TV's. Most TV's whether they are flat screen or projection have been at least 1080i (which is HD by definition) for the last 8-10 years. I think too many people "think" their TV is not HD when in fact in most cases it is. It's a common misconception that only lcd or plasma screens are HD. If you have component inputs with the red, yellow, white, blue, green configuration you have an HD set, it's just a question of what resolution. If you just have red yellow and white then you are still in the SD category.


Chase, you are incorrect in your above statement. HD-TVs have been available for going on 10 years now, but the price in the past had kept them out of nearly all american homes until only a few years ago. RGB connectors on a 480 standard TV does not make it HD. It just means that you are getting one of the best possible connections that the TV can support. It will still only display in 480, or in some cases depending on equipment and set up 480p which does not mean HD-TV. At best it would qualify as ED-TV which means Enhanced Definition TV. None the less, 480(anything) is sadly not HD.

How do you know if your TV is a HD-TV? All HD-TVs will have HDMI connections on them. Some will still have RGB cable inputs for older hardware that needs to be attached.  All HD-TVs will alsol have widescreens since the HD aspect ratio is 16:9. If your TV does not have HDMI inpurts and is a non widescreeen (4:3) then I'm sorry.

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Altanese wrote...

When the hell did this become a commercial for HDTV? Look, I don't have a few hundred bucks just lying around. Most of my money goes towards food and bills; ME2 was a luxery, one I wanted to be able to fully enjoy.

Don't get me wrong. I love BioWare. I have nearly all the games they've made. Which is why I really wish I could enjoy Mass Effect 2 to it's full extent.

^ This.  Someone in another discussion was being an ass saying that people who can't afford HDtvs shouldn't even be buying games.  With the way this economy is, some of us just aren't able to shell out a couple hundreds into a new television. 

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No idea what the problem is with all your Tv's being in HD and still can't see the text even when its like a 50" I'm on a 19" widescreen LCD monitor using a Xbox 360 VGA cable and I see the text clear as day. Maybe you should switch to a HDMI cable cause the component SD/HD cable just blows go HDMI if the Tv supports it.

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my ears work

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I'd just like to point out from a technical standpoint it doesn't matter how large your SDtv is in inches, it is still displaying the picture in 480i/p so no matter how big the screen size is the display resolution stays the same. Good luck with trying to get a larger text patch, but don't blame the size of your television, it is simply a difference between HD resolution and SD resolution. (Just trying to be informative since I saw some people complaining that they have a huge tv but it isn't HD)

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The majority of people have HDTVs eh?Really? Even if that's true, it's only 59%, not a huge difference. Certainly not big enough to warrant SDTV users being ignored. Can someone from Bioware please respond?

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The font size is small, but I think I could live with a different color option. When I'm moving around and my cursor is on a door, the off-white text says "Open" on an orangeish background. The contrast between the two isn't very good.

Modifié par happypg, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:59 .


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I think having a black background behind the dialog wheel at all times would solve the contrast issues. As for the cursor contrast, maybe color changing to opposite of object you're pointing at? Or a color toggle option?

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A slightly transparent black box behind the dialogue wheel will solve the problem. The problem is with the new camera angles, now the font gets blended in with the surroundings. But yeah that font really is super tiny. If I had the money to buy an HDTV I would have bought one ages ago.

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It wouldn't be such a problem if the game didn't rely so much on dialog, but then I love the fact that it does. All the choices and codex are great, but if you can't read them it doesn't matter...

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I should also say that it is the same color issue when text pops up on the side notifing you of new quests, codex or journal entries. A crisper white text on a darker color would be great (dark blue).

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It doesn't matter if a simple majority of the US population have an HDTV. What is important is the size of the population for other products. Case in point, I test software for a living and my company is developing a browser based application. Now, Safari users are in the minority, as are Firefox users. However, they are a sizeable and vocal minority, so we have to test and make sure the application works and looks good in those other browsers. Firefox 2 and Safari 3 included. Also, even though most people use IE, we have to test in IE6, IE7, as well as IE8, since those browsers are different and are used by significant portions of the population. Personally, I think that 41% of a population is a sizeable majority and is worth catering to. Would you, as business, want to alienate nearly half of your possible market? I think that would be a poor business decision.



This issue does make me wonder about Bioware's QA department. I would think that they would have tested this on a variety of 360 and television configurations. And, as I stated before, due to the severity and globalness of the issue, as well as the population affected, this issue should have been a high priority defect.



One can only hope that after the code and DLC fiasco that this receives attention, as the people have code and DLC problems have been far more vocal thus far.

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*Bump*



I too have been struggling to read the txt in both the dialoge wheel and subtitles. I spent tons of time reading all the info about the different planets in ME1, but now i have to practically shove my face against my TV so I can read weapon descriptions. I really hope there's plans for a patch to maybe add an option to make the font bigger.



p.s. LOVE the game, just wish I didn't have to strain my eyes to read it

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Disassemble wrote...

It doesn't matter if a simple majority of the US population have an HDTV. What is important is the size of the population for other products. Case in point, I test software for a living and my company is developing a browser based application. Now, Safari users are in the minority, as are Firefox users. However, they are a sizeable and vocal minority, so we have to test and make sure the application works and looks good in those other browsers. Firefox 2 and Safari 3 included. Also, even though most people use IE, we have to test in IE6, IE7, as well as IE8, since those browsers are different and are used by significant portions of the population. Personally, I think that 41% of a population is a sizeable majority and is worth catering to. Would you, as business, want to alienate nearly half of your possible market? I think that would be a poor business decision.

This issue does make me wonder about Bioware's QA department. I would think that they would have tested this on a variety of 360 and television configurations. And, as I stated before, due to the severity and globalness of the issue, as well as the population affected, this issue should have been a high priority defect.

One can only hope that after the code and DLC fiasco that this receives attention, as the people have code and DLC problems have been far more vocal thus far.


PC web browsing application compatability across different web browsers is not an accurate analogy. That being said, as a Mac user who relies on Safari and Firefox I applaud your company's effort.

Bioware/EA will not prioritize this issue any time soon, if ever at all. You can call the small text a defect, but if that's the case it was an intentional defect.

At some point companies need to stop holding the hands of the sheeple and force them to do things they would otherwise not do. This is why back in 2007 the FCC required that all new TVs be digital, and later that all broadcasts be switched over to digital as well last year. Yes people complained, whined, and moaned, but they eventally dealt with it.

Change is constant, you can't sit and complain that technology is passing you by and expect companies to cater to you forever because you have not been willing to upgrade.

You choose to not upgrade, sadly you pay the price for not doing so by missing out. If that means you can not play Mass Effect 2 the way it was meant to be played, then that's sadly your loss. Videogames and entertainment are luxuries, not a given right. Sorry to be that harsh, but it's the truth.

Bioware/EA are alienating some customers, true. They are however a company with a forward stance towards things. It's not their job to make sure little 17 year old Timmy sitting in his mom and dad's basement playing on a TV built to handle the original NES, can read the text in Mass Effect 2 for the Xbox 360. It is however their job to put out a mature game, running on a "next gen" system, outputting at HD Resolutions. That's what I bought and paid for, I'm sorry that some of you out there didn't.

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way to small to read.

blah, blah, blah, HD

still should be readable in SD without the aid of a microscope.

Modifié par desireisis, 27 janvier 2010 - 09:50 .


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I do have an HDTV, but unfortunately it's the TV everyone watches so we can't connect the 360 to it without having zero time to play ourselves. So have to use the SD tv in another part of the house.

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It'd be nice to hear a response to this

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Agreed.