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[mobius160]

Please bioware trying to read stuff in the game gives me a headache.

[Thoovoo]

As I said earlier, it's more than conceivable that the game would never have seen anything but an optimal screen during testing. A professional producer of games isn't going to observe their work on outdated TVs and monitors. I am reluctant to believe that Bioware is simply giving us all a big middle finger here with a game that only supports play on shiny new screens.

Think of it from the point of view of someone who was involved in making ME2. Story and dialouge ARE the game. I still can't believe the depth of the ME universe, and so much of that depth can only be explored by actively seeking background info through the codex entries and such. If I were involved in the creation of ME2 and I knew that sizeable portion of the people who bought my game were going to be encouraged, if not forced to, skip these background bits I would certainly be concerned.

Furthermore, because this issue affects the conversation wheel, it becomes nigh impossible to experience the role of Sheppard. Thoovoo Sheppard was my ME alter ego from the moment I chose his first words, til the moment I (now completely immersed) told the Council I support Anderson for Council membership. Now, leaning half off my couch and willing my eyes to somehow magnify my vision, I feel like my Sheppard may as well be any generic main character. Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am. In ME1 my thoughts became Sheppard's via conversation and character interaction. In ME2, with no idea what my options for conversation response even are, I cannot be Commander Sheppard.

So I have no idea whether this issue can be tended to in a way that will allow us all to play ME without acquiring some new display hardware. I have no idea whether a patch is likely or even plausible. And because I have no idea, I want answers. Just to get a Mod post on this thread of any sort letting us know Bioware is aware of this flaw would appease me for now.

SO MAKE THIS THREAD STAND OUT!

Keep it hot, and keep finding more players who want a response to this issue so that they can be heard as well.

If necessary, and if I can somehow produce the money, I may be willing to pick up a new TV for the sake of this game and the Mass Effect universe. However, I absolutely do not speak for everyone facing this problem. A lot of people may be left with no desire to finish the game, and no reason to even consider picking up the third installment.

Modifié par Thoovoo, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:01 .

[Altanese]

It's been over two and a half days now. Like Thoovoo said, I just want to know -someone- is listening to us. That'll keep me going for a while, at least. I can understand needing time to work on this, but at least acknowledge us.

[tortuga8831]

So....i was in the middle of writing a nice little rant here, when i looked at the back of the game where it tells you what you need to play the game and all that other info. Right next to where it says '3 MB to save game' it says 'HDTV 720P/1080I/1080P'. While it doesn't explain why some people with hdtvs are still having problems, it does explain why the rest of us are SOL. Wish they would have put it on the website that you'd need an hdtv because i really don't want to be hooking my xbox up to my monitor. So i'm going to guess that bioware isn't going to be releasing a patch for us non-hdtv people.

[Kelrek]

Altanese wrote...

It's been over two and a half days now. Like Thoovoo said, I just want to know -someone- is listening to us. That'll keep me going for a while, at least. I can understand needing time to work on this, but at least acknowledge us.

Agreed

[Thoovoo]

tortuga8831 wrote...

So....i was in the middle of writing a nice little rant here, when i looked at the back of the game where it tells you what you need to play the game and all that other info. Right next to where it says '3 MB to save game' it says 'HDTV 720P/1080I/1080P'. While it doesn't explain why some people with hdtvs are still having problems, it does explain why the rest of us are SOL. Wish they would have put it on the website that you'd need an hdtv because i really don't want to be hooking my xbox up to my monitor. So i'm going to guess that bioware isn't going to be releasing a patch for us non-hdtv people.

Haha and now I look like a fool for posting all of this without even checking the game requirements. Still, I would swear that I followed every ounce of coverage since the anouncement of ME2, and I never heard any mention of an HDTV as required hardware. In fact, I've never heard of a game requiring an HDTV. If anyone can cite any other game with a similar req I'd be very interested to know about it.

I'm taking Tortuga's word for now because I should have been asleep hours ago and my ME2 box is a flight of stairs away, but this is the first answer we've gotten so far. It's not good news, but at least there are a few less questions now.

[podmark]

Stuck on an SDTV as well. I've only played a few hours due to time constraints and so far I've been able to play but with difficulty. The mission complete screen is mostly guess work. If it's possible to fix this issue I cannot possibly encourage BioWare more.



I understand trying to push people into new technology, but honestly I feel this was too early If that 41% is accurate. I'd have waited until you were at least down to 30% or 25%. And beyond that WHY do we want the text that small anyway? I don't have an HDTV so I have no idea if smaller text is appealing or not.

[tortuga8831]

Thoovoo wrote...

If anyone can cite any other game with a similar req I'd be very interested to know about it.

Mass effect 1. Just for laughs I thought i'd check to see if the first one also says hdtv....and it does ....so hopefully bioware won't pull a 'we said on the box to have hd so we're not going to patch the text for you non hd people'.

[rawrdragon]

The txt is to damn small. thats a dumb problem to have. epic fail bioware

[DrunkenGoon]

Yea I have to agree that the text is painfully small. It reminds me of Dead Rising all over again. I just can't believe that something this huge would be overlooked by Bioware.. Hopefully we get that patch but I'm not counting on it.

[podmark]

tortuga8831 wrote...

Thoovoo wrote...

If anyone can cite any other game with a similar req I'd be very interested to know about it.

Mass effect 1. Just for laughs I thought i'd check to see if the first one also says hdtv....and it does ....so hopefully bioware won't pull a 'we said on the box to have hd so we're not going to patch the text for you non hd people'.

If that's true it makes this less acceptable. It means there was no warning at all that the text size in ME2 would become smaller. 

[Altanese]

But the first game worked just peachy, keen, fine, and dandy on my SDTV. I figure, the sequal should too.

[AudioEpics]

I've played the first game on a pretty small old SDTV but I've decided to buy a 40" HD TV now. I've been meaning to do that for a while and if any game is worthy of being the one that puts me over the hill (is that the right expression? I'm not a native speaker of English), it's probably going to be Mass Effect 2.

I can see how smaller text may make the game more immersive because the screen can show off the beautiful graphics more...

But!

However!

Nevertheless!

I think Bioware and/or EA should take into account the many people who aren't willing to buy a whole new TV for the sake of one game and should include the option of using a larger font.

[Madapaca]

Havaror wrote...
Comparing the digital conversion to this does not work as last I checked those boxes do not cost $150+ and I recall hearing that the government was giving out coupons or something of the sort for people who needed those boxes.  On top of that it is pretty likely an oversight as recent Bioware/EA games have not had these small text problems, on a final note you really shouldn't say what a company will or will not do unless you work for the company in question.

Havaror, I didn’t mean it as a direct comparison with this situation. It was merely a instance in which people have been forced to accept technology against their will. If you chose to view it that way, then I am sorry for not making myself clearer.

For you to assume that the text issue is likely an oversight is naive. They’ve been working on this game for years. Somewhere along the lines the decision to keep the target market HD-TV owners was made and stuck with. This is not 2007 when the original Mass Effect was released. This is three years later, where HD-TV market saturation has reached the majority of thier target audience of mature gamers.

On a final note to you, my opinions are just that; mine and mine alone. I do not speak for Bioware, nor do I speak on behalf of Electronic Arts. Just because I don’t however does not take away my rights to share my opinions, even if they are something you don’t want to agree with or want to be true.

Disassemble wrote...

@madapaca:

The analogy holds because we are not talking about a small minority, we are talking about 41% of the US population. This is not a small minority. What makes it a bad business decision is that it alienates nearly half of your market, not simply "some people".

And it is true that companies do sometimes have to make moves that force people to upgrade (like stopping support for old OS's or discontinuing parts), and if that is the case, they make an announcement of it. I do not believe Bioware has made any statement that they are not going to support non-HD televisions for their games, especially since DA:O recently came out and the text reads just fine.

Of course, it would help if, as Thoovoo pointed out, if someone from the company would give some acknowledgment of the issue.

Disassemble I’ll still beg to differ with you on the analogy. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that issue. As for the 41% of homes you say are not HD-TV ready, those homes are not it’s target audience. Bioware/EA’s target audience is not everyone with an SD-TV. It’s for the mature gamers who do own an Xbox 360. (For the PC version it’s obviously targeted to users who have a system that meets the requirements). Studies show homes of mature gamers with Xbox 360s and PS3s are more likely to adopt new technology. These mature gamers are in homes that invest in luxury entertainment devices such as HD-TVs. While it’s true there are matre gamers out there who don't own HD-TVs, the vast majority do. So, when you say they are excluding that 41%, the actual number is drastically reduced even further.

If this game was released on the Wii, then this discussion would not even be taking place. That console's target audience is SD-TV homes. I cannot stress enough that they have more likely than not weighed the options and decided the small alienation of a minority was an acceptable loss. It's just business with them, and we should all be aware how EA especially puts business above it's customer satisfaction.

It does not take a statement by the company, nor advaned warnings that the content of their products will evolve and change with adoption of newer technologies and advancements. When Mass Effect came out in 2007, HD-TVs were in the minority. Now in 2010 they are the majority and with a game such as Mass Effect 2, it’s newer GUI benefits from this as it makes the screen real estate less cluttered.

Saying that Dragon Age Origins text was fine is like comparing a children’s picture book with a dictionary. One game is clearly text heavy and meant to have a lot of time spent reading, the other more focused on the action and combat.

in closing, despite how some of you may feel; I honestly hope they fix the issue via a patch for you all at some point. I’m just saying that you all need to not set yourselves up for disappointment however if they don’t. Mass Effect 2 was developed side by side for the PC and 360. One obviously meant to sit close and be able to read heavy text on high resolution monitors, the other meant to be viewed on HD-TVs at a reasonable distance.

Modifié par Madapaca, 28 janvier 2010 - 09:09 .

[Fates end]

Eh yeah. Most of the codex stuff I can barely make out, same with the dialogue options and the in-game messages. I know I'm behind the times with a SD-TV (I still have cassette tapes ) But some way of making the text a little larger (or something else to make it easier to read) would be appreciated.

[morzminz]

wouldnt it be easy if bioware just made a patch where you can select whether you have an SDTV or HDTV in the options menu? the former increasing text size and clarity. my text is too small and a little fuzzy

[BloPant]

I'm also having a hard time reading the text....



I really wish someone from bioware would comment on this issue. It feel's like they may just be ignoring us.

[Sheenariel]

lovely to see all those rich people with big HDTV's and a lot of cash...

how about you guys give us some money?



i am happy i have a 20'' i guess... SDTV ... and i only have it cause my dad was nice to make it a birthdaygift 1-2 years ago cause i damn have no job since nearing 4 years -.-

such games as ME2 are luxury to some people around... luxury i happyly would enjoy, if i could read more then just the new-game-button :/

[McFisterson]

In no way shape or form does the box or any of the labeling on this game say it requires an HDTV. Those listings on the back show capabilities, not requirements. No where has bioware ever stated to my knowledge that they are moving to a HD only form of selling thier games. And thats where i take issue. You can argue that they are pushing tech or whatever but the simple fact is is if they don't say they are excluding something they probably don't mean to. This goes against probably a large part of the microsoft/bioware buisness model. I.E. Making f**king money. Xbox is not on a crusade to have HD take over the world, hell out of the box it doesn't even come with a hookup for HD still to this day. And for f**ks sake... The games on 2 discs... Maybe they were expecting everyone to be sitting close enough to comfortably swap discs that they would already be close enough to read thier tiny flashing salvage/upgrade text. When did bioware/microsoft get into the buisness of selling HD tv's? When did they start taking a % on that? What was the latest HD tv model they came out with? Oh right. They do HD because you have to. Because loosing where the market is going (HD), that majority of TV's, is buisness suicide. But we are not there yet folks. Right it on the box you require it, then maybe i would think you have a leg to stand on with this issue.

[Syrellaris]

did any of you actually think about the fact that its a problem with your xbox using the wrong tv settings?...seriously...either upgrade to HDMI or put your component/scart settings right in your xbox.

[BloPant]

Syrellaris wrote...

did any of you actually think about the fact that its a problem with your xbox using the wrong tv settings?...seriously...either upgrade to HDMI or put your component/scart settings right in your xbox.

and what do you do if you've tried all the settings and none of them help?

this isnt a problem changing the settles on your xbox can help.

[Altanese]

Okay, so a new HDTV would cost $250-$300 easy, and that's fairly cheap. Then it's another $40 for an Xbox 360 HD cable. Add into that the $60+ that myself and many others already spent on the game, and we're looking at a rough minimum of of $400 spent by us in the slight minority with SDTVs.

[Syrellaris]

BloPant wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

did any of you actually think about the fact that its a problem with your xbox using the wrong tv settings?...seriously...either upgrade to HDMI or put your component/scart settings right in your xbox.

and what do you do if you've tried all the settings and none of them help?

this isnt a problem changing the settles on your xbox can help.

Obvious your xbox is not going to have any settings for tv's that are older then 10 years (the old box tv's many still use), but for any newer generation tv aswell as every LCD TV (flatscreens) they will have settings.

Using the right settings will help you.

I dont own a HDTV nor do I have a huge TV either. Yet my text is fine. I used to have the same problems with other games when i got my xbox, i changed the settings and things worked out for me. Giving it a try never hurts.

[Syrellaris]

Altanese wrote...

Okay, so a new HDTV would cost $250-$300 easy, and that's fairly cheap. Then it's another $40 for an Xbox 360 HD cable. Add into that the $60+ that myself and many others already spent on the game, and we're looking at a rough minimum of of $400 spent by us in the slight minority with SDTVs.

The elite comes with a HDMI cable aswell as a component cable/ AV cable. Every Xbox comes with a standard xbox component / AV cable. If you got a HDTV plugging in your component cables and setting the clip on the cable itself to HD, will do the trick. You do not need to buy a whole new cable. just make sure that you select the right settings on your xbox menu, under settings > TV aswell afterwards.

None elite xbox dont have HDMI support anyway.

[Altanese]

Syrellaris wrote...

The elite comes with a HDMI cable aswell as a component cable/ AV cable. Every Xbox comes with a standard xbox component / AV cable. If you got a HDTV plugging in your component cables and setting the clip on the cable itself to HD, will do the trick. You do not need to buy a whole new cable. just make sure that you select the right settings on your xbox menu, under settings > TV aswell afterwards.

None elite xbox dont have HDMI support anyway.

In that case it's only a rough minimum of $350 (and yes I round)

But would this work for the Core version of the 360? A few of us still use the original.