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[Saphiron123]

I agree very much with Weekes. I don't think there is a way to implement the warden satisfactorily, just as i found Hawke's cameo barely passable(with numerous out of character moments vs my Hawke). Given this response i'd ask him why does Hawke go missing again at Weisshaupt in the epilogue at end of Inquisition rather than riding off into sunset with LI?

And what if the warden is playable, either ina n introductory sequence or for a whole game? Then you can update the look, you can make the choices. As long as the writing isn't subpar, it's up to you.

[wright1978]

And what if the warden is playable, either ina n introductory sequence or for a whole game? Then you can update the look, you can make the choices. As long as the writing isn't subpar, it's up to you.

 

Well they'd still to voice the character and i'm sure there would be howls of outrage at that.

[Dai Grepher]

Since when does BioWare care about howls of outrage from the fans?

 

They should totally do it. Those who want the Hero back can get the Hero back, those who don't want the Hero back can choose not to do that quest.

[Saphiron123]

Well they'd still to voice the character and i'm sure there would be howls of outrage at that.

They did that in origins, it was just basic stuff... They'd just be trading up to a selection of better voice actors.

The silent protagonist is gone, times have to change, but what really matters is choice. Giving us a real range of choices about what we have to say.

[Saphiron123]

Id rather have Oghren over the HOF. I am completely fed up about not hearing anything about Oghren in these games.

Ohgren's a warden, if the hof went to the deep roads, oghren probably isn't far behind.

[Grieving Natashina]

They did that in origins, it was just basic stuff... They'd just be trading up to a selection of better voice actors.

The silent protagonist is gone, times have to change, but what really matters is choice. Giving us a real range of choices about what we have to say.

No replacing Robin Sachs though.  He was one of the best and the industry lost a little something special when he died.  

[Dai Grepher]

Oghren is still a drunk who swings big weapons at bad things. Question answered.

 

Now then, about the Hero...

 

I think the fact the Hero is on a quest to find a cure for the taint, a quest inspired by what Morrigan found, means that the Hero will be successful in finding that cure. Otherwise, the Hero is just a chump. The real question is how a cure for the taint can exist beyond blighted lands. How can they cure something they have never encountered?

 

My only guess is that there exists a "cure-all" that completely cleanses the body from all poisons, corruptions, and perhaps magics as well. That would make sense. And so now the Hero investigates this cure-all to see if it will work on the taint. If so, it might even work on the Qunari poisons as well. This could set things up for the inevitable world war against the Qunari. Might raise some interesting moral questions. Could the humans use the blight against the Qunari if they had the means to cure it afterward?

[brownie56]

Personally, I don't want an experience partly shaped by my peers. I'm all for giving power to creators. For better or worse. Sometimes worse, but I'll take it. Art isn't a democracy. 

But I honestly think their success is based off of it (at least giving the illusion) that it is. That's why fans had such a prickly relationship with Gaider. He refused to see that player input in the story is what elevates and separates Dragon Age from other RPG's. They have the Keep, they should use it. 

[Saphiron123]

Oghren is still a drunk who swings big weapons at bad things. Question answered.
 
Now then, about the Hero...
 
I think the fact the Hero is on a quest to find a cure for the taint, a quest inspired by what Morrigan found, means that the Hero will be successful in finding that cure. Otherwise, the Hero is just a chump. The real question is how a cure for the taint can exist beyond blighted lands. How can they cure something they have never encountered?
 
My only guess is that there exists a "cure-all" that completely cleanses the body from all poisons, corruptions, and perhaps magics as well. That would make sense. And so now the Hero investigates this cure-all to see if it will work on the taint. If so, it might even work on the Qunari poisons as well. This could set things up for the inevitable world war against the Qunari. Might raise some interesting moral questions. Could the humans use the blight against the Qunari if they had the means to cure it afterward?

I think the cure will be stabbing the source of the darkspawn in the face. It started with the magisters, a good starting point is to kill the crap out of all of them. The architect would be a good place to start, chances are he isn't dead in any case since he's so similar to corypheus, and he's been trying to free darkspawn from the taint for a while.

Bet he'd love to be rid of his brothers, I doubt they see eye to eye.

Remember when villains were complex in bioware games? The architect represents a dangerous principle, but he's not entirely evil either. I'd like to see what the other magisters are like, and if they brought eh darkspawn, they must have brought the calling.

[Captain Wiseass]

That halla ain't getting any deader. You can stop beating it now.

[Saphiron123]

That halla ain't getting any deader. You can stop beating it now.

Sorry Captain Wiseass. Some of us really dig the warden and haven't been happy with bioware's recent direction. This Halla ain't dead yet.

[Vault_Tec101]

Sorry Captain Wiseass. Some of us really dig the warden and haven't been happy with bioware's recent direction. This Halla ain't dead yet.

 

I very much agree. I would go so far as to say it is the only thing keeping the Halla alive, the vain hope that one day The Warden will return as a playable character is what's kept me playing through DA2 and to a small part DA:I.

[Saphiron123]

I very much agree. I would go so far as to say it is the only thing keeping the Halla alive, the vain hope that one day The Warden will return as a playable character is what's kept me playing through DA2 and to a small part DA:I.

Agreed. The real bummer is that as I was farming rocks with the inquisitor, I couldn't help but think the search for the calling sounded like more fun then delivering flowers or farming elfroot or closing 75 totally identical rifts...


Man the rifts could have had so much potential...

[Dai Grepher]

I think the Hero's inclusion in Inquisition, even in letter form, confirms that the Hero will return. Jaws of Hakkon also implies that the Inquisitor is not opposed to the concept of tracking down legendary figures.

 

I think the cure will be stabbing the source of the darkspawn in the face. It started with the magisters, a good starting point is to kill the crap out of all of them. The architect would be a good place to start, chances are he isn't dead in any case since he's so similar to corypheus, and he's been trying to free darkspawn from the taint for a while.

Bet he'd love to be rid of his brothers, I doubt they see eye to eye.

Remember when villains were complex in bioware games? The architect represents a dangerous principle, but he's not entirely evil either. I'd like to see what the other magisters are like, and if they brought eh darkspawn, they must have brought the calling.

 

I doubt it's that easy. The other magisters will likely spread to a new blighted host like Cory did. However, a codex in the Deep Roads in Inquisition confirmed that one of the sentient darkspawn ate another one. This was probably Corypheus. So presumably a magister can be killed easily by another magister. I don't think the Architect was a magister though. Unless he simply forgot everything. Plus, he didn't transfer to a new blighted host. At least, not that we know of. I killed the Architect.

[Iakus]

 

 

I think the fact the Hero is on a quest to find a cure for the taint, a quest inspired by what Morrigan found, means that the Hero will be successful in finding that cure. Otherwise, the Hero is just a chump. The real question is how a cure for the taint can exist beyond blighted lands. How can they cure something they have never encountered?

 

 

Or the Hero is conveniently out of the way when Corypheus' false Calling went into effect...

[dsl08002]

Since when does BioWare care about howls of outrage from the fans?
 
They should totally do it. Those who want the Hero back can get the Hero back, those who don't want the Hero back can choose not to do that quest.

THIS SO MUCH THIS haha

They truly past that waypoint a long time ago we saw that at ME3

[Dai Grepher]

Or the Hero is conveniently out of the way when Corypheus' false Calling went into effect...

 

We're talking about the quest the Hero is on to find the cure. I wrote that if the Hero does not find the cure then it makes the Hero look like a chump.
 

[CronoDragoon]

Since when does BioWare care about howls of outrage from the fans?

 

They should totally do it. Those who want the Hero back can get the Hero back, those who don't want the Hero back can choose not to do that quest.

 

The issue is that it will still displease everyone who didn't want the Hero back (Inquisition shows you that not doing content is not an option to make the game enjoyable for many people) and will likely displease a significant amount of the former camp who didn't get the Hero integrated in the specific way they wanted.

[Andres Hendrix]

They might finish his last story, searching for a cure to the blight. Weekes was treating the fans a bit like children when he said, 'remember what happened when we brought Hawke back hmmm? You didn't like that now did you? So stop asking for old characters.' Well it didn't have to be written that Hawke gets left in the fade, now did it? Weekes needs to learn what begging the question means. lol Hawke could have floated in with an armada for the Inquisition wielding the Arishok's battle axe--Isabela draped over Hawke like a second skin.  Varric would have been all like, "not in front of the Seeker, she will blush too hard and her head will explode!" XD

[Dai Grepher]

The issue is that it will still displease everyone who didn't want the Hero back (Inquisition shows you that not doing content is not an option to make the game enjoyable for many people) and will likely displease a significant amount of the former camp who didn't get the Hero integrated in the specific way they wanted.

 

I don't think it will displease anyone. Those who don't want the Hero back can select a different option that has the Hero do something else outside the game. For example, my primary Hero was King of Ferelden. If the new game screws up his character then my alternative would be to have him send the Inquisition his regards but say he must attend to matters of court along side his wife Anora.

 

BioWare should not be afraid to take risks, especially if it means bringing back our characters to great success and epic storyline.

[dsl08002]

The issue is that it will still displease everyone who didn't want the Hero back (Inquisition shows you that not doing content is not an option to make the game enjoyable for many people) and will likely displease a significant amount of the former camp who didn't get the Hero integrated in the specific way they wanted.

But on the same time do you think that the players that made the US or doesnt want the warden to return they will never buy that product. They will.

If bioware would create a new game with the warden they would still buy it.

[Saphiron123]

But on the same time do you think that the players that made the US or doesnt want the warden to return they will never buy that product. They will.

If bioware would create a new game with the warden they would still buy it.

Yup, and with a new PC option for dead hofs and people who want a fresh warden, everyone would be covered.

It's just a difference of dialogue, same as playing an elf versus a dwarf, and having people recognize you and your decisions in past games.

There is no downside here, but bioware is no longer a company who takes risks in order to tell stories. That's why serious story has been replaced with MMO style fetch questing.

[Saphiron123]

The issue is that it will still displease everyone who didn't want the Hero back (Inquisition shows you that not doing content is not an option to make the game enjoyable for many people) and will likely displease a significant amount of the former camp who didn't get the Hero integrated in the specific way they wanted.

By that argument there should be no multi-game stories ever made, because someone somewhere won't like someone coming back.

I'll come out and say it, I don't like Oghren.

Still, to have him back, to revisit his relationship with the warden, I'd deal with it. And you can't do that with a new PC he doesn't recognize.

[Saphiron123]

I think the Hero's inclusion in Inquisition, even in letter form, confirms that the Hero will return. Jaws of Hakkon also implies that the Inquisitor is not opposed to the concept of tracking down legendary figures.


I doubt it's that easy. The other magisters will likely spread to a new blighted host like Cory did. However, a codex in the Deep Roads in Inquisition confirmed that one of the sentient darkspawn ate another one. This was probably Corypheus. So presumably a magister can be killed easily by another magister. I don't think the Architect was a magister though. Unless he simply forgot everything. Plus, he didn't transfer to a new blighted host. At least, not that we know of. I killed the Architect.

Well, we killed him, but that doesn't mean he didn't transfer after death. Also, he said he was born like that, but he could have meant after he was cast down from the golden city. And he doesn't look like other darkspawn, he looks a lot like corypheus.

Just because he didn't tell the hero he just met he was one of the original darkspawn magisters (because why would he?) doesn't mean he isn't one. And it would be pretty shoddy exposition if he told a grey warden he could take over other darkspawn. He could make a return easily enough, just in one case he and the warden would have parted on good terms, and on the other, he'd be very angry - would make an awesome scene.

Why do people still assume the villain is going to tell you absolute truth about their history and all their weaknesses when it doesn't help them to do so?

I think he's a magister. And he knows a lot about the calling. Potential for great writing is there either way.