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[Dai Grepher]

Well, we killed him, but that doesn't mean he didn't transfer after death. Also, he said he was born like that, but he could have meant after he was cast down from the golden city. And he doesn't look like other darkspawn, he looks a lot like corypheus.

Just because he didn't tell the hero he just met he was one of the original darkspawn magisters (because why would he?) doesn't mean he isn't one. And it would be pretty shoddy exposition if he told a grey warden he could take over other darkspawn. He could make a return easily enough, just in one case he and the warden would have parted on good terms, and on the other, he'd be very angry - would make an awesome scene.

Why do people still assume the villain is going to tell you absolute truth about their history and all their weaknesses when it doesn't help them to do so?

I think he's a magister. And he knows a lot about the calling. Potential for great writing is there either way.

 

The magisters weren't born though.

 

He knows about the song, and how to help the darkspawn be free from it. That doesn't mean he knows about the Calling.

[Kantr]

The magisters weren't born though.

 

He knows about the song, and how to help the darkspawn be free from it. That doesn't mean he knows about the Calling.

They were originally.

 

Taking over another body is a form of re-birth

[saber1red]

I say bring back THOF in a dlc/ expansion. We had cameos of the love intrests alistair, morrigan. leliana, and even john curry can voice zevran again. I would love to see him/ her along with a few other cameos such as oghren, nathaniel, sigrun, velana. Heck why not even shale since we didn't even get to see a golem in dai. But more realistically the warden, oghren, nathaniel, sigrun, velana, anders/ justice (or just justice in spirit form). Just imagine the look of cullen now possibly romanced by the inquisitor seeing his first love again. Or the warden just leaving with morigan and kirean together into the sunset at the end of the dlc. Or finding out what was it that morrigan left for the warden if you chose not to go through the eluvian? So many possiblites. Or how about finally flying a pet griffon named feathers. That would offer a new experience for a dlc. Ridding griffons for the win.

[Chancellor Cousland]

While the topic of The Warden returning seems to be sharply divided, I'd like to add my two cents to the argument that Bioware really self-inflicted this wound.  Patrick Weekes claims The Warden 'rode off into the sunset' if he/she survived DA:O.  That was changed at the end of Dragon Age 2 where Leliana and Cassandra remark that the disappearance of Hawke and The Warden had to be linked. 

 

While David Gaider apparently later claimed that this wasn't intended as anything of significance, Bioware pulled every single surviving Warden out of 'sunset land' and sent them all off to the ends of the world so DA:O fans wouldn't be asking 'How come my Warden hasn't come out of retirement to one shot Corypheus yet?"  The side-effect of getting DA:O fans excited for a possible return of the Warden was a 'convenient' reaction I'm sure *sarcasm*.

 

I would love for Dragon Age to move on from The Warden into new and exciting places, stories and characters.  But I would prefer that Bioware do justice to the character that made the franchise to start with, whom many people still love.  Stop reusing DA:O love interests as main characters to draw us into new entries of the franchise and give the Warden a proper send off...

 

If you're feeling really nice Bioware you could give us the choice of going out in a blaze of glory (again) or riding off into the sunset (again) for realsies this time.  But if you do, stop frigging messing with it and leave the Warden off happy with their love interest or heroically dead.

[Andreas Amell]

Origins is still my favourite game of the series.

 

I've been staying that if they do make a new game with Grey Warden, then make it short and isolated from exporting results. I'm fine with it being a smaller chapter to the entire saga, but just like with Hawke, the Warden's got some unfinished business.

[Draninus]

Before I played Inquisition, I was pretty irritated with the thought of the Warden getting written off with some dialogue.

 

However, after having played the game in full, I am now happy they didn't bother.  After playing this game, it's pretty clear that the team that created Origins is long gone.  DA2 was what could be considered a minor misstep in comparison to the dull and empty world I encountered in Inquisition.

[dsl08002]

But if you look now on BSN there is MORE topics regarding the wardens return than it was when DA2 was released.

[Saphiron123]

Before I played Inquisition, I was pretty irritated with the thought of the Warden getting written off with some dialogue.

 

However, after having played the game in full, I am now happy they didn't bother.  After playing this game, it's pretty clear that the team that created Origins is long gone.  DA2 was what could be considered a minor misstep in comparison to the dull and empty world I encountered in Inquisition.

That doesn't mean they can't step up and do it right, if I don't think they can do their own world justice, then why should I bother playing DA4?

Maybe bioware is dead, but if that's true, then if they try and fail it doesn't matter because it's already too late. If they don't try at all and they lay it same and keep heading down the stupid mmo path instead of giving us real story, then honestly THAT's a failure.

Its easier to respect an attempt, then just writing a character out because it's easier. A developer without faith in their own abilities is kind f a dead end.

[Saphiron123]

While the topic of The Warden returning seems to be sharply divided, I'd like to add my two cents to the argument that Bioware really self-inflicted this wound.  Patrick Weekes claims The Warden 'rode off into the sunset' if he/she survived DA:O.  That was changed at the end of Dragon Age 2 where Leliana and Cassandra remark that the disappearance of Hawke and The Warden had to be linked. 

 

While David Gaider apparently later claimed that this wasn't intended as anything of significance, Bioware pulled every single surviving Warden out of 'sunset land' and sent them all off to the ends of the world so DA:O fans wouldn't be asking 'How come my Warden hasn't come out of retirement to one shot Corypheus yet?"  The side-effect of getting DA:O fans excited for a possible return of the Warden was a 'convenient' reaction I'm sure *sarcasm*.

 

I would love for Dragon Age to move on from The Warden into new and exciting places, stories and characters.  But I would prefer that Bioware do justice to the character that made the franchise to start with, whom many people still love.  Stop reusing DA:O love interests as main characters to draw us into new entries of the franchise and give the Warden a proper send off...

 

If you're feeling really nice Bioware you could give us the choice of going out in a blaze of glory (again) or riding off into the sunset (again) for realsies this time.  But if you do, stop frigging messing with it and leave the Warden off happy with their love interest or heroically dead.

If they hadn't mentioned the warden and let him rest that would be one thing, but I WANT to search for the calling and the source f the darkspawn. I was mining rocks in the woods while the warden is knee deep in dwarven ale and/or darkspawn blood in the deep roads.

It sounds like a story I want to play. I suppose that's the problem with inquisition, the warden sounds just as interesting, if not moreso.

[dsl08002]

If they hadn't mentioned the warden and let him rest that would be one thing, but I WANT to search for the calling and the source f the darkspawn. I was mining rocks in the woods while the warden is knee deep in dwarven ale and/or darkspawn blood in the deep roads.
It sounds like a story I want to play. I suppose that's the problem with inquisition, the warden sounds just as interesting, if not moreso.

For me however im hoping that in the final game of the franchise that the warden returns as PC and the last two archdemons wakes up and we bring an end to the blights once and for all! The same way it began can conclude the franchise with the same characters and presentation. Its a classic combination that always works if handled properly.

If bioware would do this and hold the warden of until then i would be happy.

[Sundance31us]

BSN couldn't handle the fan reaction if they tried to bring back the Warden...way too many variables; heck the drama over the voice actors alone might cause the internet to implode.

[In Exile]

While the topic of The Warden returning seems to be sharply divided, I'd like to add my two cents to the argument that Bioware really self-inflicted this wound. Patrick Weekes claims The Warden 'rode off into the sunset' if he/she survived DA:O. That was changed at the end of Dragon Age 2 where Leliana and Cassandra remark that the disappearance of Hawke and The Warden had to be linked.

While David Gaider apparently later claimed that this wasn't intended as anything of significance, Bioware pulled every single surviving Warden out of 'sunset land' and sent them all off to the ends of the world so DA:O fans wouldn't be asking 'How come my Warden hasn't come out of retirement to one shot Corypheus yet?" The side-effect of getting DA:O fans excited for a possible return of the Warden was a 'convenient' reaction I'm sure *sarcasm*.

I would love for Dragon Age to move on from The Warden into new and exciting places, stories and characters. But I would prefer that Bioware do justice to the character that made the franchise to start with, whom many people still love. Stop reusing DA:O love interests as main characters to draw us into new entries of the franchise and give the Warden a proper send off...

If you're feeling really nice Bioware you could give us the choice of going out in a blaze of glory (again) or riding off into the sunset (again) for realsies this time. But if you do, stop frigging messing with it and leave the Warden off happy with their love interest or heroically dead.

I really don't think Bioware wants to get HOF fans excited about an appearance since they've been as adamant as they can be there will never be an in-game appearance or a real cameo. The only reason the character even gets mentioned is the repeated demands some fans make - so to placate/olive branch Bioware makes a brief mention which leads to more (rather than less) issues.

[JadeDragon]

never understood the huge drama over the voice actors because even if you headcanon your wardens voice they still used words in a set voice you pick. Im not saying bring back each voice actor just give the warden 2 different voices one for each gender and allow people to choose. You can headcanon your warden with a Irish accent all you want but in origins they never sounded as such. With that being said i would prefer who ever did the sacred ashes trailer warden to be a voice option. does anyone know who that guy is? died wardens get to remake orlesian warden commander with a French accent added to the 2 voice sets.

[AlanC9]

A developer without faith in their own abilities is kind f a dead end.

Though if Bio really does have faith in their abilities, would they listen to you about bringing the Warden back? You are asking them to do something they don't believe in doing, aren't you?

[Chancellor Cousland]

If they hadn't mentioned the warden and let him rest that would be one thing, but I WANT to search for the calling and the source f the darkspawn. I was mining rocks in the woods while the warden is knee deep in dwarven ale and/or darkspawn blood in the deep roads.

It sounds like a story I want to play. I suppose that's the problem with inquisition, the warden sounds just as interesting, if not moreso.

I completely agree.  While I have enjoyed Inquisition a ton, it seems to lack the special sauce that Origins had in terms of story and impactful choices.  The idea of playing as the Warden again on a hunt to end the calling is extremely exciting to me, but as has been said several times in this thread, Dragon Age seems to have moved away from the Origins formula. 

 

Though I miss that feeling Origins had where it seemed everything you did had a significant impact on the world and your personal story, I still enjoy where Bioware has taken Inquisition.  I think an excellent compromise would be a final 'swan-song' if you will for the Warden so us holdouts can say goodbye...and then move on with the rest of the franchise.

[Chancellor Cousland]

I really don't think Bioware wants to get HOF fans excited about an appearance since they've been as adamant as they can be there will never be an in-game appearance or a real cameo. The only reason the character even gets mentioned is the repeated demands some fans make - so to placate/olive branch Bioware makes a brief mention which leads to more (rather than less) issues.

The 'Contact the Warden' War Table mission definitely felt like this, an olive branch to placate old Warden fans.  The ending of Dragon Age 2 where Leliana hints that the disappearance of Hawke and the Warden could not be a coincidence seemed to be setting up a dramatic story involving both Hawke and the Warden that we would get to explore.  Whether we got to see the Warden through cameo or player control doesn't matter, it heavily implied to Origins fans that the Warden would return in Inquisition.

 

Unnecessarily manipulative in my opinion.  Especially when the line comes from Leliana, the statistically most common love interest from DA:O.

[Chancellor Cousland]

Though if Bio really does have faith in their abilities, would they listen to you about bringing the Warden back? You are asking them to do something they don't believe in doing, aren't you?

Bioware clearly had faith in their abilities to wrap up the Mass Effect franchise with the first try.  That didn't go over too well.  They later extended a well crafted olive branch to that fan base with the Citadel DLC for pure nostalgia so players could hang out with their favorite characters again.  Much of this is surmised to be due to player reaction.  

 

While in substance the return of a beloved past player character, The Warden, does not compare with attempting to repair the bungling of the Mass Effect franchise, in principle they are the same.  The Warden has made the most appearances so far in the Dragon Age series; one main game, an expansion, and 5 DLC's, with numerous sets of different companions.  

 

I understand that Bioware wants to move on from the Warden as a player character.  While that saddens me, I do thoroughly enjoy seeing the world of Thedas through the eyes of other protagonists.  It opens up a ton of new story options that wouldn't be possible if the Warden was the dominant player character.  That doesn't mean I and many others wouldn't like to see and play as the Warden again, I do.  

 

At the very least I would like to have a proper send off this time that doesn't get messed with later on.  If the Warden dies heroically, or rides off into the sunset, leave them be, and move the franchise away from the south of Thedas.  Don't keep using the Warden's love interests and memory just to energize a loyal fan base without giving us the opportunity for one last happy adventure as was offered Mass Effect fans with the Citadel DLC.

[In Exile]

Bioware clearly had faith in their abilities to wrap up the Mass Effect franchise with the first try. That didn't go over too well. They later extended a well crafted olive branch to that fan base with the Citadel DLC for pure nostalgia so players could hang out with their favorite characters again. Much of this is surmised to be due to player reaction.

While in substance the return of a beloved past player character, The Warden, does not compare with attempting to repair the bungling of the Mass Effect franchise, in principle they are the same. The Warden has made the most appearances so far in the Dragon Age series; one main game, an expansion, and 5 DLC's, with numerous sets of different companions.

I understand that Bioware wants to move on from the Warden as a player character. While that saddens me, I do thoroughly enjoy seeing the world of Thedas through the eyes of other protagonists. It opens up a ton of new story options that wouldn't be possible if the Warden was the dominant player character. That doesn't mean I and many others wouldn't like to see and play as the Warden again, I do.

At the very least I would like to have a proper send off this time that doesn't get messed with later on. If the Warden dies heroically, or rides off into the sunset, leave them be, and move the franchise away from the south of Thedas. Don't keep using the Warden's love interests and memory just to energize a loyal fan base without giving us the opportunity for one last happy adventure as was offered Mass Effect fans with the Citadel DLC.

I really think you're overstating both the popularity of the Warden as a protagonist and the desire that people have to see the Warden return. I thought that of the silent Bioware PCs the Warden was the least interesting since the NWN1 PC. And putting that aside, I don't want the character to return since Bioware will do nothing but break any version of my character even more, since they're clearly married to the idea of the HOF seeing himself or herself as a GW.

[AlanC9]

While in substance the return of a beloved past player character, The Warden, does not compare with attempting to repair the bungling of the Mass Effect franchise, in principle they are the same. The Warden has made the most appearances so far in the Dragon Age series; one main game, an expansion, and 5 DLC's, with numerous sets of different companions.

The problem I have with this argument is that bringing the Warden back is a greater deviation from Bio's vision than the ME3 EC was. The EC made no substantive changes except for lowering EMS requirements for the breath clip; it was all presentation. Even Refuse existed pre-EC, although Shepard didn't get to make a big speech before failing.

[Saphiron123]

never understood the huge drama over the voice actors because even if you headcanon your wardens voice they still used words in a set voice you pick. Im not saying bring back each voice actor just give the warden 2 different voices one for each gender and allow people to choose. You can headcanon your warden with a Irish accent all you want but in origins they never sounded as such. With that being said i would prefer who ever did the sacred ashes trailer warden to be a voice option. does anyone know who that guy is? died wardens get to remake orlesian warden commander with a French accent added to the 2 voice sets.

Damn straight. It's been 10 years in-game, a voice actor is no big deal... Every character is voiced now.

[Saphiron123]

[quote name="Chancellor Cousland" post="18905025" timestamp="1427845507"]


I completely agree. While I have enjoyed Inquisition a ton, it seems to lack the special sauce that Origins had in terms of story and impactful choices. The idea of playing as the Warden again on a hunt to end the calling is extremely exciting to me, but as has been said several times in this thread, Dragon Age seems to have moved away from the Origins formula.

This. A thousand times this.

[dsl08002]

Damn straight. It's been 10 years in-game, a voice actor is no big deal... Every character is voiced now.

I agree

Its the way of the future for RPG to have a voiced protagonist.

What is important is that they don't deprive the option to choose voice that we are happy with. In inquisition they were on the right course but had only two voices. If Bioware would let us choose a minimum of 4 voices then you have a bigger chance to find a voice you are happy with or if the voices are not good then you can choose a voice that you are less happy with but you can endure it.

Its all about keep up with development.

[CaliJoe090]

I was fine with the Warden going off to the sunset except when the War Table mission showed up. If they left THAT mission out, I would have been totally fine. They didn't and imply the Warden is off doing damage control with the Calling somewhere outside of Thedas. I haven't paid attention to the forums in a very long time, so I wasn't expecting Hawke to show up. I was like, why the heck is this guy here? I hadn't finished DA2 before starting DAI so I didn't make a connection until I finished DA2 & the corresponding DLC.

 

Which reminds me, I still need to finish DAO cause I didn't spec my Warden correctly for the Landsmeet fight so I had to start all over.Ugh. Playthroughs.

[SofaJockey]

I suspect there is only one way to encounter the HoF in a future game,

and that's a skeleton with a note...

[Chancellor Cousland]

I really think you're overstating both the popularity of the Warden as a protagonist and the desire that people have to see the Warden return. I thought that of the silent Bioware PCs the Warden was the least interesting since the NWN1 PC. And putting that aside, I don't want the character to return since Bioware will do nothing but break any version of my character even more, since they're clearly married to the idea of the HOF seeing himself or herself as a GW.

As the overall tone of this thread seems to indicate, you may be right I am overstating the popularity of the Warden.  I paid very close attention to news about Inquisition's release, and a consistent topic that would arise out of the forums was the desire of many to see a return of the Warden in some capacity.  I think that desire is dying away though as folks see the franchise moving away from the tone of Origins, and Bioware's persistent statements that they'd rather not revisit the character.

 

I still believe a lot of people would be pleased to have another adventure with the Warden, but those voices are dying off as it becomes more and more unlikely.  I will repeat the OP's original comment at the beginning of this thread,

 

I think the Warden has a lot of storytelling potential that is not being utilized. I'm sad that the writers do not want to revisit him/her again.  I think a well made Warden DLC could be very successful commercially, critically, and popularly with the Dragon Age community; but sadly the Warden is left in some dark obscure corner of the world.