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[Saphiron123]

Yeah, the protagonists are never nearly as well developed and tend to be fairly basic, presumably because it's easier to write them simply reacting to events around them than actually having any real personality of their own?

 

Sure, Hawke had three personalities in DA2, but Diplomatic was a pure Pollyanna, while Aggressive was a total jerk, we've seen the same in other games just as Paragon and Renegade. The Sarcastic one had the most potential, because it often seemed to reflect that like Varric, this version of Hawke was using humour as a defense mechanism to avoid dealing with the horrible things in their life? It gave them some depth the other's lacked?

 

Diplomatic and Sarcastic Hawke got even more interesting when you saw how beaten down they were in DAI, it really showed how much of a toll everything had taken on them over the years, whereas Aggressive Hawke just got more angry... as usual? It reminded me of how Shepard became a lot more interesting when we got to see how the stress of the Reaper War starting to bear down on them in ME3, as things got worse and worse?

 

That was the problem with the Inquisitor, I think, aside from just after Haven, you never really got a sense that they really were phased by the sheer end-of-the-world level threat they were up against, which conversely made Corypheus seem less important as a result? I'll give it to the Warden, they at least knew and fully recognised how utterly screwed they were in Origins and how hopeless their task was!

Yeah, my inquisitor seemed to take stuff pretty lightly even though I tried to play him pretty hardcore. My new warden seems way more invested.

What annoys me is at least half the people who never want to see the warden again, don't feel that way because  they don't love thier wardens, they're afraid bioware will screw it up so they'd rather not play it.

I mean I get it, but if people don't believe bioware can make a quality game, why are any of us here?

[Abyss108]

Thank the Creators for that!

 

Warden's story is over. I've got no idea why people can't just let go. Nobody complained about a different protagonist in KotOR 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, etc. 

 

The Warden has had their spotlight, bringing her back would be nothing but fanservice. She's not important to Thedas any more. She's probably dead in a lot of worlds. You guys really want every single event in Thedas to just randomly happen around 1 women? That's ridiculous. And boring.

 

Also Weekes didn't say he wouldn't bring her back because he was worried about fan reaction, he said he wouldn't because the Warden had already had their awesome story and got a complete ending. He's correct about that.

[Sifr]

Yeah, I might not sound like it but I do love my Warden and the character in general, it's just so hard to imagine how they'd ever do them justice that it's better to keep them on the shelf and in our nostalgia-filled minds, than bring them back?

 

Hawke's return wasn't particularly good in Inquisition, although I liked seeing them again, it just felt like they were shoe-horned into the Warden plot to provide fodder for HLTA and give us a cheap Virmire moment... except it didn't work because we'd not gotten time to know Hawke or the Warden-ally as the Inquisitor before being thrown into that situation? It seemed like a moment that was only meant to shock the audience, since we as fans are quite familiar with Hawke and the Warden-Ally, but this moment would be lost on our protagonist?

 

If Hawke hadn't been in the game and instead was merely replaced by Bob the Warrior/Rogue/Mage, would any of the story really have been that different? Aside from giving us background on Legacy (which Varric could have done), what did Hawke do that was that relevant to the plot?

 

If they really wanted to surprise us, give us a Virmire moment where one of our own squadmates has to stay behind in the Fade and we instead get to pick between Hawke or the Warden-Ally as a replacement companion, with the other going off to Weisshaupt? Imagine having Alistair and Loghain as companions once more, being able to finally give Stroud some much needed character development, or having Hawke, a former protagonist become a companion and be there in the party for the final battle with Corypheus?

[Abyss108]

I think you're reading too much into it. I doubt a lot of people want a full game with the Warden. I wouldn't at least. I just like the stories to be fleshed out. Especially when their companions are still a big part of the world.

 

Personally, I'd like to kill the Warden myself. Not have the world revolve around them. I'm a little disappointed that one of them got away with all of their shenanigans. lol

 

It's what most people here want. There are numerous posts about how they want the Warden as the protagonist, and they don't care about having a new one, and the dialogue could simply be completely rewritten to take into account whether you are a new character or not.

[DragonKingReborn]

This is quite strange to me. I've been floating around the forums since release and haven't seen any complaints about Hawke's appearance. Other than the "my Hawke's a blood Mage and now he hates blood mages! Wtf Bioware!?" Crowd.

I thought Hawke's appearance worked pretty well. I would have liked them to hang around a bit longer.

For me, I would rather have the Warden appear than not, but I'm relaxed about them not ever appearing. The be careful what you wish for comment was unnerving, though. Gaider would have just said,"tough, it's (not) happening". Strange times ahead, methinks.

[Sifr]

It's what most people here want. There are numerous posts about how they want the Warden as the protagonist, and they don't care about having a new one, and the dialogue could simply be completely rewritten to take into account whether you are a new character or not.

 

To paraphrase Teagan;

 

"The Bannorn writers will not bow to you simply because you demand it..."

 

 

[Regan_Cousland]

I'd never demand that the Warden return, but I'd definitely play an Awakening-length expansion starring the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian Warden-Commander. (Assuming that there's actual roleplaying to be had, and the game isn't seventy percent filler like Inquisition.)

I don't see why anyone would be against that. It'd be great for fans of Origins, and for everyone else it'd be another chance to design a cool hero.

[Coyote X Starrk]

They wouldn't really have a way of doing it. 

 

For alot of people the Warden isn't even alive for them. 

 

Kind of unfair to bring a character back if not everyone can enjoy it. 

[Regan_Cousland]

They wouldn't really have a way of doing it. 

 

For alot of people the Warden isn't even alive for them. 

 

Kind of unfair to bring a character back if not everyone can enjoy it. 

 

Was that to me?

Like I said, it doesn't matter if your Hero of Ferelden isn't alive. Just create (or re-create) an Orlesian Warden Commander. 

I'm sure many are very fond of the Orlesian Warden after playing Awakening and would like to continue his/her story, too.

[Saphiron123]

They wouldn't really have a way of doing it. 

 

For alot of people the Warden isn't even alive for them. 

 

Kind of unfair to bring a character back if not everyone can enjoy it. 

We all have multiple worlds, with the keep it's easy to create new ones, and as for me, the keep has me going back and playing origins again, Honestly anybody who only played through origins once is missing out, there's too many great scenes and pieces of dialogue for one warden and one party composition to see it all. Hell, I just brought the circle to redlciff to help conner for the first time, and i got to play the fade as first enchanter irving... that's nuts, and I had no idea it was in the game. 

A dead warden would be replaced with a new pc warden, who'd have different introductions to old characters and not be called the hero of ferelden. It's pretty doable. And it would just be one more way to replay it, more dialogue, more to see. And how cool would it be to take the only wardens, rebuild them in a modern CC with 10 years on them?

And our decisions would actually MATTER. Like my meaner warden killed leliana at the urn of sacred ashes, and in DAI she comments about it, but how tense would it be if they actually met? THAT's what I want to see, I'm sick of just hearing stuff second hand. That same warden stabbed morrigan after she abandoned him for turning down her ritual.... no new PC can hash that out. That's the kind of story we're missing. And I have 5 other wardens, 2 of which are recent, all with completely different effects on their worlds.

A new character is never going to meet morrigan after stabbing her at the eluvien. He's never going to be recognized by oghren or shale or king harromont/bhelin. There's always a new warden option if you want to meet them for the first time again, but the hero would have special dialogue.

[Sifr]

I'd never demand that the Warden return, but I'd definitely play an Awakening-length expansion starring the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian Warden-Commander. (Assuming that there's actual roleplaying to be had, and the game isn't seventy percent filler like Inquisition.)

I don't see why anyone would be against that. It'd be great for fans of Origins, and for everyone else it'd be another chance to design a cool hero.

 

Speaking of the Orlesian Warden, was anyone else disappointed that they didn't show up in Adamant if the Warden was alive, or be referenced as the one researching the Calling if the Warden is dead? I know that the guys who made the Keep looked into adding them but weren't able to, but given how we're adding stuff in patches, it'd be a nice touch of continuity to perhaps look back into trying to see if they could?

 

Otherwise, I'd far more love to play a future game as the Orlesian Warden than as the HoF?

 

With the events at Adamant, the Orlesian branch of the Wardens possibly being exiled during Inquisition and rumoured to have gone rogue from Weisshaupt at the end of the game, an Orlesian Warden has got a way more interesting backstory this time around than simply serving as the Suspiciously Similar Substitute for the HoF as they did in Awakening?

[Tali 25651]

then... bye bye DA.

[Saphiron123]

Speaking of the Orlesian Warden, was anyone else disappointed that they didn't show up in Adamant if the Warden was alive, or be referenced as the one researching the Calling if the Warden is dead? I know that the guys who made the Keep looked into adding them but weren't able to, but given how we're adding stuff in patches, it'd be a nice touch of continuity to perhaps look back into trying to see if they could?

 

Otherwise, I'd far more love to play a future game as the Orlesian Warden than as the HoF?

 

With the events at Adamant, the Orlesian branch of the Wardens possibly being exiled during Inquisition and rumoured to have gone rogue from Weisshaupt at the end of the game, an Orlesian Warden has got a way more interesting backstory this time around than simply serving as the Suspiciously Similar Substitute for the HoF as they did in Awakening?

Hell that could work, hero of ferelden or the orlesian warden. That's some serious replayability right there. Unique dialogue, slight variations on scenes with key characters... THAT is why I play dragon age. The little touches, the tiny differences that make every playthrough unique.

[MillKill]

An inexplicably mute mary sue self-insert power fantasy is no longer going to have any significant role in the series? How is this a bad thing again?

 

Now all they need to do is kill him/her off-screen so that the series will finally be completely rid of the Warden. Maybe then people can stop deluding themselves into thinking that the Warden was in any way different from the mute mary sue self-insert power fantasy protagonists of dozens of other rpgs.

[Saphiron123]

Well, if that's really the case, I don't need that.

 

I'd just like more consequences. Sometimes it even seems like DAI is giving a nod to that.. where Alistair says my Warden "follows a dark path". But nothing really comes of it. It's just going to hang like that forever?

 

The whole "riding off into a sunset" thing only works for the good Wardens. You want them to find some peace like that.

That's the thing, the world was centered on the warden, the keep is centered on his decisions... they can try and ditch him like he doesn't matter but what did leliana and alistair and morrigan talk about most? The warden.

I don't jsut want to hear second hand what's going on with them and him. I want to see morrigan and the warden meet again, where he stabbed her or stayed with her until the calling pulled him/her away. I want to see zevran again. I want to see leliana if i killed her at the urn of the sared ashes (and hearing how much she hated him was a great moment in DAI)... I want to see that actually play out in dialogue between the two.

You can't have that with a new PC.

[Saphiron123]

An inexplicably mute mary sue self-insert power fantasy is no longer going to have any significant role in the series? How is this a bad thing again?

 

Now all they need to do is kill him/her off-screen so that the series will finally be completely rid of the Warden. Maybe then people can stop deluding themselves into thinking that the Warden was in any way different from the mute mary self-insert power fantasy protagonists of dozens of other rpgs.

The series is nothing without the decisions that character made. Maybe he didn't have a voice, but he made the world.

And he was different, and if you truly feel he wasn't, I think you should try origins again... it's a damn fine game, and it's held up better then any of those other rpgs you're talking about. You can take wynne and loghain to ostagar, take ohgren and shale to the tower, and hear totally unique dialogue from each that you've never heard before. The effort that went into that game was amazing. It was a game that made fun of fetch quests (the quarter master in ostagar laughs at you and tells you that you have better things to do)... it was the bioware that made the best titles they ever produced.

Inquisition would be better if they'd kept many of it's features, such as tactics etc. dumping so much of it by the wayside hasn't improved the series.

[Regan_Cousland]

If by some miracle we do get to play as the Warden in a DLC expansion, I'd like Leliana to be a party member (for obvious reasons).

Although, depending on when the story is set and what the Warden is up to, I realize that might not be possible. 

[Saphiron123]

If by some miracle we do get to play as the Warden in a DLC expansion, I'd like Leliana to be a party member (for obvious reasons).

Although, depending on when the story is set and what the Warden is up to, I realize that might not be possible. 

I'd like to see the warden in DA4. Give me a choice between the HoF, or a greener warden with variations in dialogue (or the orelesian warden could work here too, and it'd make for an interesting encounter with a architect who I'm pretty damn sure is a magister, and so probably isn't that easy to kill).

Man I want to see the architect again, and I absolutely don't want to have to introduce myself for the first time (unless i choose to).

[Tali 25651]

An inexplicably mute mary sue self-insert power fantasy is no longer going to have any significant role in the series? How is this a bad thing again?

 

Now all they need to do is kill him/her off-screen so that the series will finally be completely rid of the Warden. Maybe then people can stop deluding themselves into thinking that the Warden was in any way different from the mute mary sue self-insert power fantasy protagonists of dozens of other rpgs.

 

 

I agree now The Hero of Ferelden story is done and over by gave him/her life to bestroy the Archdemon

[MillKill]

I think the Inquisitor is a bigger Mary Sue. If that's your beef, lay it on thick on this game too. We're just a prisoner waking up to become the Chosen One in under an hour. No matter the origin or background or what you have to say.

The Inquisitor definitely is yet another boring mary sue power fantasy. The only reason he/she is superior to the Warden is having a voice and therefore feels less detatched from the setting. But I'd also rather not see the Inquisitor again or, in DA4, play as anyone like him/her or the Warden: the same old boring invincible hero who saves the world by the sheer virtue of their own awesomeness.

 

Thus far, Hawke remains the only decent protagonist of the series. I wouldn't mind seeing him/her again. Hell, I wouldn't mind Hawke being the PC again, even though I know it's not going to happen.

[Saphiron123]

I agree now The Hero of Ferelden story is done and over by gave him/her life to bestroy the Archdemon

Plenty of wardens survived that encounter, with or without the ritual, same goes for alistair and loghain.