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[Saphiron123]

The Inquisitor definitely is yet another boring mary sue power fantasy. The only reason he/she is superior to the Warden is having a voice and therefore feels less detatched from the setting. But I'd also rather not see the Inquisitor again or, in DA4, play as anyone like him/her or the Warden: the same old boring invincible hero who saves the world by the sheer virtue of their own awesomeness.

 

Thus far, Hawke remains the only decent protagonist of the series. I wouldn't mind seeing him/her again. Hell, I wouldn't mind Hawke being the PC again, even though I know it's not going to happen.

The warden WASN'T the invincible hero though... did you even play origins? He was a green recruit, along with alistair, and they had no idea how they could win. Sure he got powerful by the end as in any rpg, but the warden was anything but an invincible superhero. Hell, wynne spent as much time trying to convince him he could do it as she did talking about anything else. They didn't even know how to make new wardens in origins, or that one of them had to die to slay an archdemon.

That was the appeal of the warden, even the badass ones were basically young and inexperienced people  pulled into a bigger series of events they weren't prepared for.

I'm betting it's been a lot of years since you played origins, because that's not even remotely the way the story plays out. Maybe at the end with an army at your back, but damn, could not agree less.

It's because it WASN'T about an invincible god hero that it was great and the characters felt real.

[Snook]

Also Weekes didn't say he wouldn't bring her back because he was worried about fan reaction, he said he wouldn't because the Warden had already had their awesome story and got a complete ending. He's correct about that.

 

Not anymore he isn't. 

 

My Warden is in some uncharted middle of nowhere, trying to cure her death, her fate completely uncertain, with her lover she otherwise would had 'ridden off into the sunset with' on the other side of the world. Not sure how that qualifies as a complete ending to the character. 

[Saphiron123]

Not anymore he isn't. 

Nope. They gave him a new mission that sounded really exciting. They changed that.

[Tali 25651]

Plenty of wardens survived that encounter, with or without the ritual, same goes for alistair and loghain.

 

 

It does not matter if him / her  is still alive , Because you will not see him / her again.

[Torrential]

Wasted opportunity not to use the warden, even if it's just for cameos, totally wasted background and roleplaying hooks about a character people already think fondly of, and is already established.

 

If there were mods, what is about the first thing you'd see on the first day, a warden pack. I can almost guarantee it. Not to draw on that is to put it bluntly, odd.

[Sifr]

 

Thus far, Hawke remains the only decent protagonist of the series. I wouldn't mind seeing him/her again. Hell, I wouldn't mind Hawke being the PC again, even though I know it's not going to happen.

 

I loved Hawke as well, they felt like the only real everyman in the entire series, being someone who was thrown into situations often out of their depth and unable to solve everything, compared to how increasingly Sue-ish the Warden and Inquisitor slowly became across the course of their games, solving all problems with little effort and with little fallout?

 

Would have been nice if the Exalted Marches DLC had not been nixed and we'd not have that plotline resolved (like many others) in such an easy manner in Inquisition, giving them something more important to do to the plot? A DLC with them as a companion to resolve that and perhaps some remaining threads from DA2 would have been nice?

[MillKill]

The series is nothing without the decisions that character made. Maybe he didn't have a voice, but he made the world.

And he was different, and if you truly feel he wasn't, I think you should try origins again... it's a damn fine game, and it's held up better then any of those other rpgs you're talking about. You can take wynne and loghain to ostagar, take ohgren and shale to the tower, and hear totally unique dialogue from each that you've never heard before. The effort that went into that game was amazing. It was a game that made fun of fetch quests (the quarter master in ostagar laughs at you and tells you that you have better things to do)... it was the bioware that made the best titles they ever produced.

Inquisition would be better if they'd kept many of it's features, such as tactics etc. dumping so much of it by the wayside hasn't improved the series.

Every standard rpg protagonists has some effect on the world; it's part of the mary sue power fantasy. That doesn't make the Warden unique. It makes him/her even more forgettable for being yet another mute guy who, in order to feed the player's ego, everyone lets decide the fate of nations. The Warden is utterly interchangeable with the protagonist of nearly any other rpg.

 

By the way, I've played Origins plenty. It had some decent characters. Unfortunately, they were stuck in the most cliche rpg plot in existence, all seen through some truly hideous graphics that were ugly on a technical level and further hampered by poor art design that could be described as, "generic fantasy, but more brown!" The spectacularly bad faux-tactical gameplay and terribly-designed menus and interface didn't help either. I'm willing to at least call it a mediocre game rather than a bad one, but that's probably a bit too generous.

[Abyss108]

Not anymore he isn't. 

 

My Warden is in some uncharted middle of nowhere, trying to cure her death, her fate completely uncertain, with her lover she otherwise would had 'ridden off into the sunset with' on the other side of the world. Not sure how that qualifies as a complete ending to the character. 

 

And I don't think they should have added that. But it's hardly the big deal a lot of people are making it out to be. So a person who is going to die, is looking for a way to prevent that. Seems pretty obvious to me. A few lines of text stating that really doesn't convince me there's a big story I need to hear there. Most Wardens probably look for a cure.

[Dinerenblanc]

It's funny that people are still holding out for a "character" that's 6 years old, who's barely even relevant anymore. The Warden is done. Instead of focusing on reliving past glories, hope for a new premise that's as unique or better. Forever forward, folks; unless you want to be like "Peaked in High School Rob Lowe." 

[Abyss108]

I think the Warden has more going for them than this.. simply for the origin stories. Some of which are humble. I also don't think they decide the fate of nations in the same way. It's just the Fate of Ferelden, during wartime. Not like the Inquisitor, who's reach is far wider and who do nothing to even earn it. And suddenly decide Wardens, Orlesian politics, and even who runs the Chantry.. You're telling people how they should even believe in religion... and you could be some no name Merc. The Warden never had this audacity.

 

I really don't think the Inquisitor is any worse than every other Bioware protagonist in this regard. Especially the Warden. The Warden had no reason for people to listen to them.

 

With the Inquisitor, everyone thinks they are a holy figure sent from their god and they are the leader of one of Thedas' largest/most powerful organisations. It makes more sense people would listen to them. You don't get to decide what other people believe in at all. You get to tell them what YOU think, and they don't listen.

[Dinerenblanc]

It's not past glories I want. Just more consequences. Not all of my wardens are glorious. Some deserve an assbeating.

 

As for new events, Id' be happy enough to to know what my Warden thinks of Morrigan drinking from the well. Or what even happens to Morrigan because of it. It could get ugly.

Realistically, Bioware cannot release a game that covers all of the consequences of the Warden's actions, especially now when so much that occurred in Inquisition can affect him directly. He's not coming back. The end. I can see why you want want to play as the Warden again, but a character who can potentially die in his/her arc is not going to be featured in any significant role again.

[Snook]

And I don't think they should have added that. But it's hardly the big deal a lot of people are making it out to be. So a person who is going to die, is looking for a way to prevent that. Seems pretty obvious to me. A few lines of text stating that really doesn't convince me there's a big story I need to hear there. Most Wardens probably look for a cure.

 

The Warden isn't most Wardens, the Warden is the Warden, of course people are going to be interested in this. Leliana made it pretty clear to me that the Warden had leads to go off of before she started the search, and for a while I was certain they wouldn't just bring up something like that for **** all. Apparently not.

 

Now this is probably never going to get any satisfying resolution whatsoever. Thus, as far as I'm concerned, neither is the Warden.

[Torrential]

It's funny that people are still holding out for a "character" that's 6 years old, who's barely even relevant anymore. The Warden is done. Instead of focusing on reliving past glories, hope for a new premise that's as unique or better. Forever forward, folks; unless you want to be like "Peaked in High School Rob Lowe." 

Your analogy implies someone cannot do both. There is nothing wrong with using well fleshed out stories and characters to further expand a plot, none at all. 

[Dinerenblanc]

I don't want to play the Warden. lol. I keep saying this in this thread. 

 

You're mistaking me for someone else.

 

I only want to see choices and consequences. I don't care who the protagonist is. If anything, I'd like to fight the Warden.

 

 

I suppose it's possible to see him again in a role that's similar to Stroud/Alistair/Loghain, but I doubt it would address every consequence of your actions.

[Abyss108]

The Warden isn't most Wardens, the Warden is the Warden, of course people are going to be interested in this. Leliana made it pretty clear to me that the Warden had leads to go off of before she started the search, and for a while I was certain they wouldn't just bring up something like that for **** all. Apparently not.

 

Now this is probably never going to get any satisfying resolution whatsoever. Thus, as far as I'm concerned, neither is the Warden.

 

Yeah, I'm not seeing the importance here. As I said, a person who is dying, is looking for a way not to die. Big surprise. The Wardens resolution is the same as every other Wardens resolution. She will hear the calling and go crazy/die. That's the fate of a Warden. You're free to imagine whatever you want happening in the time between.

 

Or, the Warden is already dead.

[Abyss108]

Not every one, sure. I'm realistic. 

 

Mostly just concerned about my bastard Warden. Loghain has more character development than this guy. The Warden gets away with everything, like jack the ripper. It just seems pointless, in retrospect. Better to be a good guy, who everyone loves.

 

Or at the very least, it would suck if they didn't seek revenge if morrigan was screwed up by the Well. Something like that.

 

This whole "wandering off into the sunset" idea is only good for a particular type of Warden.

 

Uh, what would they want revenge for? Morrigan chose to drink from the well. It's not something someone else inflicted on her.

 

You can get away with being an ass in every Bioware game, that's not something specific to the Warden.

[Sifr]

 

With the Inquisitor, everyone thinks they are a holy figure sent from their god and they are the leader of one of Thedas' largest/most powerful organisations. It makes more sense people would listen to them. You don't get to decide what other people believe in at all. You get to tell them what YOU think, and they don't listen.

 

But the problem with being a holy figure is that the Inquisitor is less a person and more a symbol that the people want them to be, making who they really are completely inconsequential?

 

Mother Giselle even notes that in a century or two, the verses in the Chant about the Herald will probably have distorted the truth about them. It just reminds me of what Flemeth says when you mention her own legend;

 

"One day someone will summarise the terrible events of your life so quickly."

 

At least in Skyrim, you were playing a Crystal Dragon Jesus who had been prophesied for millennia and was guided by fate, in Inquisition, you're forced to be Brian and are continually heralded as the Messiah, even when you insist you're just a naughty boy?

[Dinerenblanc]

Not every one, sure. I'm realistic. 

 

Mostly just concerned about my bastard Warden. Loghain has more character development than this guy. The Warden gets away with everything, like jack the ripper. It just seems pointless, in retrospect.

 

Or at the very least, it would suck if they didn't seek revenge if morrigan was screwed up by the Well. Something like that.

 

This whole "wandering off into the sunset" idea is only good for a particular type of Warden.

You can't really "develop" a character that's has all of their decisions made by the player. The developer can only provide memorable choices for him/her. Unless you're willing to lose the ability to make those choices and shape the character to your liking, the character you play as will never be memorable. One of the things that makes a character memorable is getting to know the character throughout the story, seeing their motivations, and finding out what their values are. You don't get that when the character is essentially you. 

[Fandango]

I understand the OP's disappointment for sure, but my Warden died at the end of Origins.