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[turuzzusapatuttu]

My Warden reunited himself with Morrigan and Kieran after he discovered a cure for the Calling. I don't need to know anything else.

 

[Nefla]

Well I've always hated BioWare cameos and think they're generally tacked on and poorly done so I'm glad we wont see the Warden again.

[DanteYoda]

Anyone else noticed Bioware seem to make the game for themselves and wonder why the customers get so angry?

 

They really take zero consideration of what anyone else outside their little dev teams want, or at least that's how its seen from me.

 

I felt the same way about Dwarven Romances after the rude dev post op.

 

What does that mean? I loved that Hawke came back. Wish there was more of it though.

 

 

I don't need happy. Who the **** are they listening to? I want drama. Good or bad.

This for me too.

[vertigomez]

Unless I'm actively playing Origins, I just look at the Warden like any other significant NPC. I'm only them if I'm playing the first game; otherwise, s/he's basically Garahel or Celene or Branka.

[Dinerenblanc]

I can honestly say that I just don't get the popular obsession with seeing the Warden again.
"The Warden" was not a character beyond the player's own personal interpretation of him/her. That was the whole point of a silent protagonist. The playable character in Origins was an utterly blank canvas for player to project their own character on to. "The Warden" is a plank of wood and it's player choices and imaginations that brought the character to life for them and them alone.


So, while I might have interpreted my Warden as a lone wolf type Dalish hunter with a dry sense of humor and a crippling fear of heights. There is simply no way that Bioware could ever, ever bring 'my' Warden back to the screen in a satisfying way. The character will never live up to what players have interpreted their own wardens to be and if Bioware were to be 'accurate' with the character the Warden would be a dumb mute who just stares creepily into your soul whenever you try to talk to her/him.

I'm with Weekes on this one. The Warden's story is done. Bringing the 'character' back is both pointless as well as impossible to pull off.

By far the most eloquent and intelligent post on this thread.

[LOLandStuff]

Bioware should make a Warden app, where you can feed them and pet them and dress them and smother them with unhealthy obsessive affection.

[S Seraff]

actually, i think they id a pretty good job bringing Hawke in!  the issues were mainly with the keep not exporting correctly. i would NEVER put my hawke in that armor of course, but importing hawke's assets from DA2 just didnt make the priority list. and that's ok. what i'm saying is the bugs werent enough to suppress my real joy at being able to see my Hawke in action again!

 

i have the same sentiment for the warden, orlesian warden commander. just do it BW. it seems like the ones who are passionate about seeing their warden again are aware of and willing to forgive any shortcomings of converting him/her to an NPC with dialogue generic enough to cover personality types. .  

 

it's worth it. 

 

as long as we're in an age when all our characters are running around, we need them to be kept track of. they cant jus ride off int th sunset, because we're still in their world, needing these superheroes to act. 

[Akrabra]

Well Dragon Age Origins was the first game and i am sure they didn't know if they were gonna make more. But then it became a commercial sucess and it is still selling so Dragon Age had life extended. When stuff like that happens the lore has to evolve and you often write yourself into a corner. Guess that happened to the HoF. I would still want a proper send off as i am not ready to say goodbye yet, but i want new protagonist and to see rest of the kingdoms in Thedas. 

 

Even though i didn't dislike Hawke i just feel her or his impact on the story of Thedas was minor. HoF and Inky changed and are changing the world for better or worse. We'll see what comes in future titles, dlc and expansion, i am just ready for more of Thedas. 

[Abelas Forever!]

Actually I'm quite happy that warden isn't coming back because I just don't want to see her coming back and then dying if there isn't anything I can do about it. The other option that I fear is that if she comes back and for some reason I'll have to decide who will die my warden or my inquisitor/inquisitor's LI. So I think it's for the best that she/he can retire somewhere far away.

[o Ventus]

"The Warden's story is over"

 

Which is why he's on a really important quest. Yeah.

[Brockololly]

The problem BioWare has now is that even if the Warden's that survived Origins were able to "walk off into the sunset" with their LI post Origins, the Awakening epilogues and now Inquisition itself totally upended that open ended ending. Now you have pretty much all of those surviving Wardens separated from their Origins LI's off to try and cure the Calling, meanwhile you have those old love interests off doing huge critical plot heavy things without any personal input from the Warden, the one PC that is personally invested in them.

 

That's my concern. Somebody like Leliana or Morrigan taking on a decidedly more generic, one size fits all feel since any interactions and influence your Warden had with them is being pigeon holed into just Origins. So you end up with situations like Inquisition where instead of having your Warden who romanced Morrigan involved in the scene in the Fade where his significant other and son are in some emotionally heavy material, you're stuck with the aloof Inquisitor stating the most banal, idiotic facts since he/she has zero emotional/personal involvement in that scenario. Or you have the Inquisitor basically overriding any of the personal development Leliana could have taken in Origins since they end up just rehashing the whole soften or harden Leliana angle from Origins, just inversed in Inquisition. Or Leliana becoming Divine never bringing up the Hero of Ferelden if she romanced them.

 

If BioWare is so dead set on never doing anything with the Warden onscreen again, then they need to do the exact same thing with those old love interests- let them go. My interest in somebody like Morrigan or Leliana is based on their personal development through the Warden, not simply having them turn up with every new PC so that new PC can dictate their personal character development to them every new game.

 

The other more optimal situation would be to allow for multiple PC's should the story call for it. That way you could always interact with an old NPC/companion through the old PC that's most closely emotionally tied to them. Wouldn't have to be for the whole game but just for small parts when the story calls for it.

 

Its like A Song of Ice and Fire. That story is a story about the world of Westeros/Essos viewed through the POV of various characters. That seems like what BioWare wants to do with Dragon Age. Yet you don't have Jon Snow going around the Seven Kingdoms to check in on everyone. He stays at the Wall doing Night's Watch stuff and the story checks in with him as needed and other characters can intersect with his story as need be. I don't see why the same couldn't be done with Dragon Age. So instead of the Inquisitor getting stuck like an emotionally crippled dolt in the Fade while Morrigan and Flemeth are having heavy family drama, they could switch to the HoF there, somebody who potentially has a stake in the story being told. Or if they wanted to deal with the Calling being cured in the future, they could have a quest where you switch POV's to the HoF or Orlesian Warden commander for a quest or two instead of forcing some new PC to get involved in that.

[Il Divo]

f BioWare is so dead set on never doing anything with the Warden onscreen again, then they need to do the exact same thing with those old love interests- let them go. My interest in somebody like Morrigan or Leliana is based on their personal development through the Warden, not simply having them turn up with every new PC so that new PC can dictate their personal character development to them every new game.

 

 

This bothered me as well, even as someone who doesn't want to see the Warden come back. Regardless of how bad an idea it is, in DA:O we followed the Warden make a series of plot-critical decisions time and time again. It comes off as awkward to watch other huge developments follow during which the Warden does nothing, even while people he is personally invested in are involved. 

[bunniebean]

When they said the HoF went to investigate the calling out west, i took it as she left to do what every other warden did. Blood magic. In my game the wardens are wiped out, allied then got them killed at the war table. So yeah for me hof is dead and i dont think king alistair can even hear the calling, just look at fiona. It'll be a real strech to make a game with the hero.

[AlanC9]

Anyone else noticed Bioware seem to make the game for themselves and wonder why the customers get so angry?
 

Wait a minute. Last month the problem was supposed to be that Bio always overreacts to complaints. DAI maps are too big because people didn't like DA2's small maps, ME2 cut inventory because peopke complained about ME1's boring mess, and so forth.

[AresKeith]

Anyone else noticed Bioware seem to make the game for themselves and wonder why the customers get so angry?

They really take zero consideration of what anyone else outside their little dev teams want, or at least that's how its seen from me.

I felt the same way about Dwarven Romances after the rude dev post op.

Because developers should write their games the way want

[Efvie]

Agreed, but you can't really have two PCs at once.

 

Not at the same time, but certainly in the same title.

 

In any case, I think that with the Keep technology that will (hopefully) be only vastly improved when it comes time for DA4,  people would be able to steer even an NPC to a better direction.

[Caja]

How did you kill them all? Lol

Spoiler

It happens when you do a war table mission. My Wardens died as well, even though I chose Josephine (I think) for that particular mission in order to avoid the drama. They died anyway. I'm not sure where the trigger lies to save them.

[Shechinah]

(To DanteYoda) Because the fans will always be angry about something: what some will like, others will dislike. What some will love, others will hate.

 

They do take their fans into consideration but if they primarily relied on that consideration then they'd never even get past the concept stage because nothing would ever be agreed upon.

[Uccio]

 Knowing my Warden is alive and waiting for the real Calling to take her as she seeks a cure is enough for me (and DAI is 10 years after DAO, so she's already near death unless she succeeds).

 

I recall it was 30 years, give or take, so your Warden has still 20 years to go.

[X Equestris]

I recall it was 30 years, give or take, so your Warden has still 20 years to go.

Gaider clarified that 30 was an absolute maximum. Later info also says that Wardens who are around during a blight will live shorter lives than those who live out their careers in normal times. So it might be less.