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[FreeWitch]

I'm good with not seeing my hero again.  I don't like to revisit old games like that and it annoyed me Hawke appeared in Inquisition.  That Hawke is nothing like *my* Hawke so for me it was a mistake.  I wasn't so annoyed that it made me rage quit or anything like that.  If they muffed up *my* Warden I just might lol.  I got many hours of enjoyment out of Origins.  The hero needs to stay there.

[Sifr]

Gaider clarified that 30 was an absolute maximum. Later info also says that Wardens who are around during a blight will live shorter lives than those who live out their careers in normal times. So it might be less.

 

I'm torn over this retcon, because part of me thinks that it makes sense that enough exposure to the Darkspawn, coupled with the influence of an active Archdemon, would cause the taint to progress faster in Wardens active during a Blight... while the other part of me thinks that after all they went through, Alistair and the Warden kinda deserve to get those 30 years to, as Bull says, go home, get old and grow fat?

[JadeDragon]

the before what you wish for part to me sounds like. "if we bring the warden back we are going to be lazy about it just like hawk and not put much thought or storytelling into what the are involved in". that's a lame excuse for a dev. if they wrote the warden in with as much care and respect as they did origins it would be fine. Hawke appearance wasn't well received because of how it was put together so poorly. i know a bunch of people who was excited for Hawke return but he basically admitted they didn't put effort to making his appearance worth it. bioware is suppose to be about story telling so if a hero return it sucks then that's there fault. if the warden story is done then let it be done don't give me a codex update about how the warden is on possible there most important mission since awakening and we can't even see it? why put the HoF on a quest to cure the freaking calling a quest to save thousands of lives and generations of grey wardens and basically say we can't see how that turns out. give them something simple like being a trainer. since the HoF or orlesian warden is now canon looking for a cure they put themselves in a corner and can only blame themselves for fans wanting to see this epic final chapter.

[Uccio]

Yep! And speaking as a 31 year old woman myself, time goes by fast and 20 years left is not that long in a world like DA.

 

Hey, it´s not that bad (I´m 42 myself). And there is one "but" also, if your Warden drank the Avernus potion then she could have even a lot more years to go.

[Uccio]

I'll be 32 in August, and yeah it's not bad, it just goes by so fast.

 

I could never get my mage to do that. It felt like Blood Magic, but I always did wonder if his research succeeded.

 

My mage Warden was all about survival. He was a rebel who had no problems with being a blood mage and drank that juice to save himself.

[Torrential]

 

Warden this... Warden that... Is the Warden such a big deal?
 

Yes to those of us that invested time and effort into the character. For me I like reoccurring characters, I like characters, plots, situations and lore I relate to in an RPG. It doesn't have to be the focus or the main plot or anything like that, one quest would have been enough fan service.

 

 

Oh my god, this again?Seriously, ya'll need to let it go.

 

No i'll keep my opinion thank you, and you keep yours.

​Wasted background material and lore, is wasted background material and lore. It is senseless not to use it for something.

 

 

 

Wait a minute. Last month the problem was supposed to be that Bio always overreacts to complaints. DAI maps are too big because people didn't like DA2's small maps, ME2 cut inventory because peopke complained about ME1's boring mess, and so forth.

 

 

Because you are on a forum that sees millions of hits, so something is always going to be an issue for a group of people.

[Saphiron123]

When they said the HoF went to investigate the calling out west, i took it as she left to do what every other warden did. Blood magic. In my game the wardens are wiped out, allied then got them killed at the war table. So yeah for me hof is dead and i dont think king alistair can even hear the calling, just look at fiona. It'll be a real strech to make a game with the hero.

You are aware that's just the wardens in orlais right? That's why hawke meets with alistair or stroud or loghain, they're ferelden wardens. It's been 10 years but ferelden still only has a few.

You didn't wipe out the wardens, there are wardens in ferelden, in tavinter, in the free marches, their main fortress in the andefels has an army. You just wiped out the idiots who were sacrificing their pals and pledged themselves to your service. Only way loghain or alistair or stroud is dead is if you left them behind, and as for the hero, he was never there. He's investigating the source of the calling and looking for the source of the darkspawn during those wartable missions.

Hell, if you sacrificed alistair, I'd like to see the inquisitor and the warden talk about that.

 

 

Gaider clarified that 30 was an absolute maximum. Later info also says that Wardens who are around during a blight will live shorter lives than those who live out their careers in normal times. So it might be less.

Yeah 30 years from the time they're joined, Loghain is still alive and he has to be 55 or 60. Duncan was way older then 30.

It's been 10 years since origins in game, so the warden should live up to another 20, as will alistair, loghain, and stroud (unless eaten by a monster).

[Saphiron123]

My Warden reunited himself with Morrigan and Kieran after he discovered a cure for the Calling. I don't need to know anything else.

 

Tell that to the devs when you see morrigan again minus your hero, and we never find out if he was technically successful. One line of dialogue is all it will take to blow that out of the water, and they'll do it, because they're very much in a "tell but don't show" frame of mind with the HoF.

[X Equestris]

Does this mean the books are no longer prequel's?
 
In the Last Flight they find that blood magic can cure the joining ritual in Griffins. Does this mean they won't ever finish this line of the story? 
 
I could care less about my warden showing up, but I want the end of the story. I hope Weeks isn't that crass.
 
I had heard he was a good writer but failed to get the Masked empire because the book got 50/50 reviews.
 
So tell me is he good or not?

Blood magic doesn't cure the Joining in Griffins. It cures the plague that resulted from the earlier use of blood magic, and it only worked on some of the eggs.

I found Masked Empire to be the best of the DA books. Weekes is a pretty solid writer in my view.

[Saphiron123]

Not at the same time, but certainly in the same title.

 

In any case, I think that with the Keep technology that will (hopefully) be only vastly improved when it comes time for DA4,  people would be able to steer even an NPC to a better direction.

You know what, i retract the statement. Having the warden as a second playable character leading up to a major climax would be awesome... 

Goddamn it, i want to play that game. I want gritty broodmothers and magisters, he return of the HoF, and I don't want to say it shouldn't be done because bioware might not make it right, as a game dev their entire job is to take a great concept and to MAKE IT WORK.

Anybody who thinks they're just going to poop the bed anyway, I have to wonder, why are you here? It's because you hope they can do dragon age right, so why not the hero?

I think bioware is a great company, and rather then retreating because hawke was tough to turn into an npc, they should strive to get it right with a playable warden. A new pc option covers everyone who doesn't want to see one of their many wardens again, or if they're using a world state with a dead hero.

How would there be a downside... and it'd be heavy on story, it's have to be, and story was what dai was most lacking among all the fetch questing and giant empty maps.

[Saphiron123]

Maybe you're right.

 

In any case, I LIKE some of these choices. So fundamentally, I'm still a fan. And you're a fan. So we have that much in common. But I like these choices enough that I'll brainstorm about their implications. It bums me out if you're not as excited about it. That you'd prefer moving on. You sound like someone who'd appreciate more drama and consequences, but you're concerned about how difficult it all is..? I just don't think we should worry about that too much.

This, there's a rare few who hate the warden, one guy even calls dragon age origins and the rest of the series mediocre (and i kind of wonder what they're doing here given the fact they don't actually seem to be fans) but the majority to say no say that "bioware would screw it up".

Well bioware should be trying to prove us wrong, to be innovative company we know and love, not to just discard the first and best game in the series entirely b/c they seem to have no confidence in what they do.

Sure, fans could react poorly, but not if you do it WELL, and with a lot of love and respect for the character.

[Abyss108]

Does this mean the books are no longer prequel's?

 

In the Last Flight they find that blood magic can cure the joining ritual in Griffins. Does this mean they won't ever finish this line of the story? 

 

I could care less about my warden showing up, but I want the end of the story. I hope Weeks isn't that crass.

 

I had heard he was a good writer but failed to get the Masked empire because the book got 50/50 reviews.

 

So tell me is he good or not? 

 

The Masked Empire is amazing!

[In Exile]

I'm happy to hear Bioware will stop exhuming my PCs to break their character and plot.

All the outrage about the problems with Hawke's portrayal in DAI would be multiplied with an attempt to portray the Warden.

Voice acting would just be the first hurdle in a long list of reasons they would never be able to please the majority of the fan base.

That problem already happened with the massive character assassination in DA:A. The only reason that doesn't get mentioned as often is that lots of people are all I GWs when it comes to their view of the order.

[Uirebhiril]

I had heard he was a good writer but failed to get the Masked empire because the book got 50/50 reviews.

 

So tell me is he good or not? 

 

The book gets off to a slow start, so you'd want to keep that in mind. But after the first few chapters the story really picks up and takes off. You get to learn more about some of the characters you encounter in Inquisition.

 

Beyond that he's also done characters and story arcs for Mass Effect, so if you've played that you'll have an idea on his writing. I don't think judging those based on his reluctance to bring the HoF back is at all fair, and really, he's not the only person to say be careful what you wish for. Sometimes the kindest thing a writer can do for a character is ignore them.

[In Exile]

This, there's a rare few who hate the warden, one guy even calls dragon age origins and the rest of the series mediocre (and i kind of wonder what they're doing here given the fact they don't actually seem to be fans) but the majority to say no say that "bioware would screw it up".

Well bioware should be trying to prove us wrong, to be innovative company we know and love, not to just discard the first and best game in the series entirely b/c they seem to have no confidence in what they do.

Sure, fans could react poorly, but not if you do it WELL, and with a lot of love and respect for the character.

Bioware DID screw it up. They screwed it up IN DAO after Ostagar when they've railroaded you into identifying with being a GW. They screw it up double in DA:A.

Following up on a protagonist after a story related to them ends will inevitably break a character. The only way to avoid that is to start the plot with " and while randomly in this region with which you had zero connection and for reasons that will go entirely unexplained, you stumbled onto the main plot".

[Aimi]

lolstalgia is a helluva drug, OP.

[AlanC9]

That problem already happened with the massive character assassination in DA:A. The only reason that doesn't get mentioned as often is that lots of people are all I GWs when it comes to their view of the order.

 

Well, this didn't become a problem until the Keep launched. Before that, it wasn't at all clear that the events of DAA had happened to our Wardens rather than to the OW, whether or not they survived. If your Warden wouldn't go to Amaranthine, then you just don't play DAA with that Warden. Theoretically this is actually resolvable, since Bio obviously has to support the US world-state, and so needs to support the OW.

[Koneko Koji]

It's a shame - I'd love to see my Warden back, especially since it's so heavily hinted that the problems with the Wardens are going to blow up, AND there's an Archdemon in the desert just waiting to be woken!

 

After reading Last Flight, I desperately want to see Crooky's babies - I wouldn't even mind playing as the Warden from that book if they can't give us back the HoF.

 

Also - Masked Empire was good, but I found some of it a little irritating (especially the over emphasis on clothing and masks when they'd already been described earlier).

[SmilesJA]

Why? The Warden's story is done, it's time to move on to new heroes.

[Il Divo]

 

As i said, i care not for my Warden since i know it's impossible to bring him/her back but i would like Oghren back seeing as he was tossed out with no mention of his whereabouts. I really miss Steven Blum as Oghren. I don't care if his writing in Awakening was bad or he wasn't a key player like your warden, not hearing anything about him is a major insult seeing that he helped end the 5th blight. I don't understand why Bioware is completely ignoring his existence. Why bother making the Keep then if it doesn't adress the choices for Oghren in the end?

 

 

Because Importing is not the same as bringing back every decision ever made exactly when players want it? The goal of the keep should be to create an organic play experience by integrating decisions the players made where necessary, it doesn't exist just to nod/wink at the player for every decision they ever made which could harm the narrative. It's essentially a record keeper for if/when the developers decide a topic is to come up.  

 

It's not like DA:I is the only Dragon Age game that can feature imports.