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[Farangbaa]

But why????

Your genes are more succesful if you make 2 children than if you make one. Its even better if you get your genes to spread with different women.

Now, anyone who justifies his cheating behaviour by mentioning this is a royal *bleep* who should be punched repeatedly in the face, or anywhere else you want.

I'm not justifying the behaviour, I'm explaining it. And we can rise above it, as we've done with other things (like the normal, ancestral response to kill any stranger you weren't in someway related to)

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

honestly, as someone who doesnt see the appeal of making children in the first place i dont get it

[Farangbaa]

honestly, as someone who doesnt see the appeal of making children in the first place i dont get it

You only have that luxury because you live in a society that wouldn't be on the verge of collapse if a few men and women refuse to have children.

For most of human history such a mindset simply wasn't an option (and you wouldn't even begin to feel like it)

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

You only have that luxury because you live in a society that wouldn't be on the verge of collapse if a few men and women refuse to have children.

For most of human history such a mindset simply wasn't an option (and you wouldn't even begin to feel like it)

my history knowledge might not be that good but i dont remember society ever being "on the verge of collapse", especially not because of a lack of children

[Farangbaa]

my history knowledge might not be that good but i dont remember society ever being "on the verge of collapse", especially not because of a lack of children

Most of human history was spent living in tribes of around a 100 to 200 people.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Most of human history was spent living in tribes of around a 100 to 200 people.

and i am willing to bet anything that no one in history ever said "we should make more kids to populate the Earth"

[Sigma Tauri]

honestly, as someone who doesnt see the appeal of making children in the first place i dont get it

 

Going to the Liberty Science Center on a Saturday was a lesson on why the family experience can suck. The place is packed with families, and I noticed they make the place dirty and chaotic.

[mousestalker]

and i am willing to bet anything that no one in history ever said "we should make more kids to populate the Earth"

You would lose that bet. Just about everyone said that up to about fifty years ago. It's in almost every religious text of every major religion. Pres. Teddy Roosevelt was on record for being in favour of large families. And on and on.

[Sigma Tauri]

and i am willing to bet anything that no one in history ever said "we should make more kids to populate the Earth"

 

 

Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it.

-Genesis 1:28

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

well damn

 

ah well, at least now i know who to blame for China

[Farangbaa]

and i am willing to bet anything that no one in history ever said "we should make more kids to populate the Earth"

Even if that were true, I fail to see the point you're trying to make. Are you trying to argue that a few hundred thousands years ago, or hell, even 10 thousand years ago there were men and women who refused to have children? Seriously?

And it isn't true. It's like you never heard of the bible or something, lol.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Even if that were true, I fail to see the point you're trying to make. Are you trying to argue that a few hundred thousands years ago there were men and women who refused to have children? Seriously?
 

nope, im saying that they really didnt care

[mousestalker]

The advantage of having children well into the Industrial Revolution was that they were your retirement plan. Especially on a farm, more labourers meant that more of the harvest stayed with the family and then the children would support their parents in their old age. More children meant that the hurden would be spread around and increase the odds of one of the children making good.

 

A childless couple in such a situation was doomed to a shorter, less comfortable life.

 

/serious infodump

[Farangbaa]

nope, im saying that they really didnt care

Sure. Lets ignore a few hundred thousand years of history so you can feel good about not wanting children. Lol.

Which you can feel good about regardless, we live in towns and cities with millions of inhabitants. You not wanting children, or even millions of people not wanting children really isn't going to matter.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

The advantage of having children well into the Industrial Revolution was that they were your retirement plan. Especially on a farm, more labourers meant that more of the harvest stayed with the family and then the children would support their parents in their old age. More children meant that the hurden would be spread around and increase the odds of one of the children making good.

 

A childless couple in such a situation was doomed to a shorter, less comfortable life.

 

/serious infodump

well that is actually a good argument

 

 

unlike "spreading the genes"....

[Farangbaa]

well that is actually a good argument
 
 
unlike "spreading the genes"....

Yes, lets ignore evolution and DNA and everything too while we're at it. Already ignoring a few hundred thousand years of history, what's it matter?

[Sigma Tauri]

well damn

 

ah well, at least now i know who to blame for China

 

World populations increased because of better medical practices that reached poorer populations. Before, rural societies tend toward creating large families, but children died due to poor prenatal care, malnutrition, disease, etc. Even when infant mortality rates lowered, rural families still kept the practice of having large families because they were generally uneducated and had little access to contraception or refused it due to cultural/religious practices.

[Geth Supremacy]

not bad.  I thought this thread we be more heated and whiny by page 2 though.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Yes, lets ignore evolution and DNA and everything too while we're at it. Already ignoring a few hundred thousand years of history, what's it matter?

im not ignoring evolution, im ignoring "spreading your genes" as a reason to have children, i mean other than being a ego boost whats the point?

 

 

 

 

World populations increased because of better medical practices that reached poorer populations. Before, rural societies tend toward creating large families, but children died due to poor prenatal care, malnutrition, disease, etc. Even when infant mortality rates lowered, rural families still kept the practice of having large families because they were generally uneducated and had little access to contraception or refused it due to cultural/religious practices.

looks like i wasted a half decent joke.....

[Geth Supremacy]

Your genes are more succesful if you make 2 children than if you make one. Its even better if you get your genes to spread with different women.

Now, anyone who justifies his cheating behaviour by mentioning this is a royal *bleep* who should be punched repeatedly in the face, or anywhere else you want.

I'm not justifying the behaviour, I'm explaining it. And we can rise above it, as we've done with other things (like the normal, ancestral response to kill any stranger you weren't in someway related to)

 

What about guys that are snipped?

[Sigma Tauri]

We can make a thread very un-BSN like. The posters here be civil.

 

Tea?

[Farangbaa]

im not ignoring evolution, im ignoring "spreading your genes" as a reason to have children, i mean other than being a ego boost whats the point?

For the love of G...

I'm speaking of the underlying biological reasons. It's why I stressed quite a few times that it was not a justification for the behaviours I was explaining.

And the fundamental biological reasons for having children are to propagate your genes into the next generation.

[Sigma Tauri]

looks like i wasted a half decent joke.....

 

I took an opportunity. 

[Farangbaa]

What about guys that are snipped?

They're smart.

In this day and time. 50.000 years ago that would be a bad idea.