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[Andrew Waples]

I can't remember the whole exchange but its towards the beginning. She says "Harbinger of a new age." I'm not quite sure what she is refering too. Is she refering to events that have already happened or is this is just another one of her 'prophecies' like DA2?

[Fireheart]

Well to me it sounded like Flemeth was plotting something, and she's been plotting it for years, centuries. However, now that she's, allegedly, dead, who knows whether that prophecy will come to pass?

[lynroy]

Harbinger set to be next Dragon Age antagonist. Semi-confirmed rumor.

[Lethaya]

I noticed that, too. Not really sure I want this new age, either, given the series title. XD Inquisitor, I'm gonna have to ask you to halt along your path to new-age-y-ness, please, I still have too many unanswered questions!

 

As for the line itself, I think it may have just meant our Quizzy is one of the figures that will shape the future of Thedas, similar to the Warden and to Hawke. Another hero shaking the world with their footsteps. But with Flemeth, who can tell?

[Unpleasant Implications]

Don't think about it too much. Lines like that are just for when writers want to pull BS later and say "No, we foreshadowed that! See this vague line here? That's foreshadowing!".

It's better to not think about what it could mean and just wait for something to happen then look back.

[leaguer of one]

I know the line word to word.

 

"The truth is not an end but a beginning. A herald, indeed. Shouting to the heavens, ushering a new age."

 

She was definitely hinting at something  but she's always hinting at something. It always a prophesy as well as sound advice.

[MrMrPendragon]

Harbinger set to be next Dragon Age antagonist. Semi-confirmed rumor.

 

This hurts me

[leaguer of one]

Don't think about it too much. Lines like that are just for when writers want to pull BS later and say "No, we foreshadowed that! See this vague line here? That's foreshadowing!".

It's better to not think about what it could mean and just wait for something to happen then look back.

But they are foreshadowing it. They were hinting Cory and the breach from witch hunt in DAO.

[In Exile]

I know the line word to word.

"The truth is not an end but a beginning. A herald, indeed. Shouting to the heavens, ushering a new age."

She was definitely hinting at something but she's always hinting at something. It always a prophesy as well as sound advice.

She's not hinting at anything. She's just observing that how fitting your title is given that Thedas is going to radically change after the Conclave.

[Aren]

For now Thedas is pretty much the same, templars this,mages that 3 Divine with 2 of them not changing so much ,Breach closed, Many Dragons are dead and sooner they will be extinct again, is pretty much the same, Solas is the only variable.

North Thedas doesn't give a crap about the Conclave and the Inquisition, Thedas doesn't revolve around Flemeth or Morrigan's prophecy but just to the writer's idea especially Patrick Weekes ,they have proven dozen of times that the IN game Prophecy given by some characters can be easily nullified.

[Beomer]

Inquisitor is indeed the Harbinger of a new age, although the new age might not have come solely due to his actions. He /she is probably just one of the main characters who usher in the new age.

And a new age it is indeed. Ancient legends waking up, walking talking and plotting. Fereldan is weak. Orlais is battered. The Tevinter has it's hands full with the Qunari. The political situation in Thedas blew wide open in Inquisition because of Orlais becoming weaker.

Add to that a new Divine who might usher in reforms. And an awakened Elven God.

I mean sure Flemeth had been around for far longer, but it would appear that while she slowly plotted and worked over hundreds of years, Solas is a man of action. He is about to do something.

and we don't even know what the rest of the Darkspawn are up to and what's the situation with the old gods. 

[ModernAcademic]

I know the line word to word.

 

"The truth is not an end but a beginning. A herald, indeed. Shouting to the heavens, ushering a new age."

 

She was definitely hinting at something  but she's always hinting at something. It always a prophesy as well as sound advice.

 

This 'shout to the heavens' bit doesn't apply to the Inquisitor at all, in my opinion (If anything, it applies more likely to Corypheus, when he pleads for the Gods' help near his very end. *chuckles*)

 

I suppose Gaider's intention - if he wrote that, I suppose - was to portray a hero mad at the gods (or the Maker) and their (his) injustice. He ends up being involved in the problems of the whole of Thedas, be they political (Chantry, Orlais), institutional (templars are disbanded, Circles were undone and mages run amok, Wardens turned to blood magic) or of any other kind and now he must fight to restore the world to what it was without even disposing of the means necessary to do it...while being slowly killed by the mark on his hand.

 

But how does this connects to a 'herald of the next age', I have no idea. Truth be told, nothing we did in the game ushered anything new. The Inquisitor was lead by the circumstances all the time and did nothing more than ensure his survival. There's no new age; the Tevinter Imperium is still going strong; the elves are still nomads with no country and no leadership; Ferelden is the same old sh*t; the OGB made no difference whatsoever in the end; the Qunari still haven't invaded anything, as they've been threatening to do since Origins, etc.

 

Only Orlais has had any change at all; and still Gaspard doesn't go on an expansionist mad frenzy to reconquer Ferelden (and perhaps annex the Free Marches while he's at it.) Heck, the Epilogue had more exciting and earth-shattering changes going on than everything that happens during the game.

[In Exile]

This 'shout to the heavens' bit doesn't apply to the Inquisitor at all, in my opinion (If anything, it applies more likely to Corypheus, when he pleads for the Gods' help near his very end. *chuckles*)

I suppose Gaider's intention - if he wrote that, I suppose - was to portray a hero mad at the gods (or the Maker) and their (his) injustice. He ends up being involved in the problems of the whole of Thedas, be they political (Chantry, Orlais), institutional (templars are disbanded, Circles were undone and mages run amok, Wardens turned to blood magic) or of any other kind and now he must fight to restore the world to what it was without even disposing of the means necessary to do it...while being slowly killed by the mark on his hand.

But how does this connects to a 'herald of the next age', I have no idea. Truth be told, nothing we did in the game ushered anything new. The Inquisitor was lead by the circumstances all the time and did nothing more than ensure his survival. There's no new age; the Tevinter Imperium is still going strong; the elves are still nomads with no country and no leadership; Ferelden is the same old sh*t; the OGB made no difference whatsoever in the end; the Qunari still haven't invaded anything, as they've been threatening to do since Origins, etc.

Only Orlais has had any change at all; and still Gaspard doesn't go on an expansionist mad frenzy to reconquer Ferelden (and perhaps annex the Free Marches while he's at it.) Heck, the Epilogue had more exciting and earth-shattering changes going on than everything that happens during the game.

You figuratively shout to the heavens when you close the Breach - and that's certainly the kind of event that might be seen by historians and contemporaries as ushering in a new age.

[Farangbaa]

Solas.

The answer to everything is Solas.

[ThreeF]

This 'shout to the heavens' bit doesn't apply to the Inquisitor at all, in my opinion (If anything, it applies more likely to Corypheus, when he pleads for the Gods' help near his very end. *chuckles*)

 

I suppose Gaider's intention - if he wrote that, I suppose - was to portray a hero mad at the gods (or the Maker) and their (his) injustice. He ends up being involved in the problems of the whole of Thedas, be they political (Chantry, Orlais), institutional (templars are disbanded, Circles were undone and mages run amok, Wardens turned to blood magic) or of any other kind and now he must fight to restore the world to what it was without even disposing of the means necessary to do it...while being slowly killed by the mark on his hand.

 

But how does this connects to a 'herald of the next age', I have no idea. Truth be told, nothing we did in the game ushered anything new. The Inquisitor was lead by the circumstances all the time and did nothing more than ensure his survival. There's no new age; the Tevinter Imperium is still going strong; the elves are still nomads with no country and no leadership; Ferelden is the same old sh*t; the OGB made no difference whatsoever in the end; the Qunari still haven't invaded anything, as they've been threatening to do since Origins, etc.

 

Only Orlais has had any change at all; and still Gaspard doesn't go on an expansionist mad frenzy to reconquer Ferelden (and perhaps annex the Free Marches while he's at it.) Heck, the Epilogue had more exciting and earth-shattering changes going on than everything that happens during the game.

That's probably is the "new" and "next age" . Basically Inquisitor put things in motion (the temple bit included.) by getting involved in things.

[Exaltation]

Harbinger set to be next Dragon Age antagonist. Semi-confirmed rumor.

"Mortal, you've changed nothing.
Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater.
That which you know as Demons are your salvation through possession.
You have failed. We will find another way."

[Kantr]

"Mortal, you've changed nothing.
Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater.
That which you know as Demons are your salvation through possession.
You have failed. We will find another way."

who says that?

[Lavaeolus]

I think she's just generally stating "you'll change the world forever", what with the Divine choice alone pretty much changing the face of all of Thedas. Or possibly she's realized halfway or so through a century that said century will, in fact, eventually end, and has predicted the prophetical equivalent of me revealing tomorrow will be Tuesday.

[SwobyJ]

To clarify something to a few people here:

 

A harbinger doesn't be the change, it heralds the change.

 

Inquisitor isn't about change. Actually, to whatever extent, they're more about preserving a status quo... just through whatever means (elimination, institution, change).

 

A harbinger lets others know that change is coming, either explicitly or implicitly.

 

We're not going to see the total workings of Thedas (what would qualify as a 'New Age' to Mythal.. not just one of the several Chantry Ages..) change with the Inquisitor. But we are are seeing/going to see the new setup of much larger plot suggestions, in a larger scale than DAO+DA2 was to DAI.

 

Inquisitor doesn't abolish the Chantry, he doesn't eliminate the Wardens, he doesn't kill all Templars or Mages, he's not about that. Destruction isn't the only kind of large change. What the Inquisitor does is shift the chairs around, to be in just the right configuration (YMMV) for the world of change to come. He's about control over the battlefield and politics, but not change personified.

 

That may happen in DA4 or DA5 or whatever, instead.

 

 

IMO the most we'll get from the Inquisitor, possibly through DLC, is him INQUIRING about the change that he's the HARBINGER of. He'll discover his place in things, and perhaps make more decisions regarding that. But he was here to seal the rifts and postpone the breach, a controlling initiative, not a destructive or change-filled one.

 

He may get a(n optional) flaming sword, and he may (always) have the Mark/Anchor, but as a protagonist, he is 'The Inquisition', foremost.

 

 

EDIT: I didn't explain the last part well. I think in terms of color coding in Bioware's latest games. So the flaming sword is the Red that the Inquisitor might use, the Mark is the Green that the Inquisitor often triggers, but the Inquisition/Armor/Title of the Inquisitor is what the Inquisitor always IS. And those things are Blue. Stability, Order, Control, Peace, etc. So what I meant was that the Inquisitor isn't primarily about being change (Green), but about signaling change (Blue). Just a form of change that is more stable than the alternative (Red Cory, 'Breach').

[leaguer of one]

She's not hinting at anything. She's just observing that how fitting your title is given that Thedas is going to radically change after the Conclave.

Nope. She hinting at something. Just like she hints that Isabela will betray you if she meets her and that Anders took on more then he can chew with justice in DA2...And those 2 only said a sentence to Flemeth before she called them out. Flemeth even hints to the coming change going to happen to Hawke before turning to a dragon and that point it can't even be seen  to be happening. She not ever anywhere by coincidence, she only shows up to pull the strings of fate to her goal.

[leaguer of one]

who says that?

That Harbingers lines from ME2 give a dragon age spin.

[leaguer of one]

This 'shout to the heavens' bit doesn't apply to the Inquisitor at all, in my opinion (If anything, it applies more likely to Corypheus, when he pleads for the Gods' help near his very end. *chuckles*)

 

I suppose Gaider's intention - if he wrote that, I suppose - was to portray a hero mad at the gods (or the Maker) and their (his) injustice. He ends up being involved in the problems of the whole of Thedas, be they political (Chantry, Orlais), institutional (templars are disbanded, Circles were undone and mages run amok, Wardens turned to blood magic) or of any other kind and now he must fight to restore the world to what it was without even disposing of the means necessary to do it...while being slowly killed by the mark on his hand.

 

But how does this connects to a 'herald of the next age', I have no idea. Truth be told, nothing we did in the game ushered anything new. The Inquisitor was lead by the circumstances all the time and did nothing more than ensure his survival. There's no new age; the Tevinter Imperium is still going strong; the elves are still nomads with no country and no leadership; Ferelden is the same old sh*t; the OGB made no difference whatsoever in the end; the Qunari still haven't invaded anything, as they've been threatening to do since Origins, etc.

 

Only Orlais has had any change at all; and still Gaspard doesn't go on an expansionist mad frenzy to reconquer Ferelden (and perhaps annex the Free Marches while he's at it.) Heck, the Epilogue had more exciting and earth-shattering changes going on than everything that happens during the game.

I saw the shouting bit when the Quis yells at Cory before the last fight.

 

Mine screamed"I don't believe in gods!!!"

[TheExtreamH]

And that is why i love the character that is Flemeth. You never know what she means, shes so mysterious, plus her voice damn i love her voice. I hope she isnt gone for good.

[erikdlan]

I know the line word to word.

"The truth is not an end but a beginning. A herald, indeed. Shouting to the heavens, ushering a new age."

A prophecy? She is telling the plot of DA:I. Knowing what happened at the Conclave is not an end, but one of the foundations of the Inquisition. Your job is shout to the heavens, closing the breach in the sky, and usher a new age (ending the Templars / Mages conflict, the Orlesian civil war and choosing an influential divine). She also sais that one day someone will sum up the terrible events in Quizzy's life so easily. Well, she just did it.

[SwobyJ]

And that is why i love the character that is Flemeth. You never know what she means, shes so mysterious, plus her voice damn i love her voice. I hope she isnt gone for good.

 

Maybe Bioware is just trying to cover their asses on this, but have nothing set in stone. She's getting older, might not be available, might not want to play the role, etc etc.

 

So maybe even Bioware doesn't know whether 'Flemeth' will be in the next game. Thus, the ending.

 

I hope she isn't gone too. Especially since I spared her in DAO - could there be multiples of her essence flying about?