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[Vortex13]

I'd at least like to see them pop up in a side quest. A nice twist would be to have a mission dealing with some new, unknown faction only to have it be revealed that they're actually remnants of Cerberus that reformed into a new group. I think they should be out of the running as major players however. 

 

I'd only be okay with that if they are immediately wiped out by an alien faction. It would be delicious irony; the proponents of human dominance and general all around awesomeness getting squashed by a 'lowley' alien faction.   

 

We've had plenty of them throughout the trilogy and by ME 3 I was starting to get a little sick of how they had their fingers in everything.

 

 

Same here. With all of their focus in the games, comics, and books Cerberus had supplanted the Reapers as the villains, and had also make it seem like the galaxy was inhabited only by the Alliance and Cerberus considering the amount of spotlight they received versus the other aliens of the setting.

[Rosstoration]

The retconning of Cerberus into every defining Mass Effect event with the Foundation comics was disgusting. Let Cerberus die, they were a curiosity in the first Mass Effect, tolerable in Mass Effect 2 and just a tumor in Mass Effect 3. Their over usage makes them now look goofy and incompetent, please no more.

[God]

That's one thing I can't argue with: Cerberus' constant presence, and the constant portrayal with that presence.

 

It's not all bad, but it does get grating when there's nothing else to involve or put into the story.

[Vortex13]

That's one thing I can't argue with: Cerberus' constant presence, and the constant portrayal with that presence.

 

It's not all bad, but it does get grating when there's nothing else to involve or put into the story.

 

 

Truth be told, I don't actually mind Cerberus in small doses, but when they become the omnipotent poster child of the Mass Effect universe is when I begin to hate them.

[Winterking]

Hopefully no role at all. Although I wouldn't mind, during exploration, stumbling into some abandoned Cerberus base. I would be fine with that.

 

[God]

Truth be told, I don't actually mind Cerberus in small doses, but when they become the omnipotent poster child of the Mass Effect universe is when I begin to hate them.

 

I don't like how Cerberus is constantly portrayed to be evil and that they're the cause of every problem in the known universe.

 

SuperMac would find a way to say that the entire cycle of harvesting was somehow started by Cerberus using a time machine and manipulating ancient civilizations to build homicidal synthetics.

[Vortex13]

I don't like how Cerberus is constantly portrayed to be evil and that they're the cause of every problem in the known universe.

 

SuperMac would find a way to say that the entire cycle of harvesting was somehow started by Cerberus using a time machine and manipulating ancient civilizations to build homicidal synthetics.

 

 

I can agree with that to an extent, however Cerberus naturally set's itself up as antagonistic to anything that is not human. They might not want to kill all Turians or Salarians, but they do believe that everyone else is a lesser form of life compared to humanity. 

 

 

I can buy that some of the stuff they do is beneficial to humanity and the galaxy, but what I don't really like about them is how they are magically better at everything compared to the other races of the galaxy. They are better scientists than the Salarians, better spies than the Shadow Broker, etc. They wouldn't be so annoying if they were more balanced with the other factions in the setting.

[God]

I can agree with that to an extent, however Cerberus naturally set's itself up as antagonistic to anything that is not human. They might not want to kill all Turians or Salarians, but they do believe that everyone else is a lesser form of life compared to humanity. 

 

 

I can buy that some of the stuff they do is beneficial to humanity and the galaxy, but what I don't really like about them is how they are magically better at everything compared to the other races of the galaxy. They are better scientists than the Salarians, better spies than the Shadow Broker, etc. They wouldn't be so annoying if they were more balanced with the other factions in the setting.

 

I actually don't think that most people within Cerberus hold that view about humanity being inherently superior on an objective scale. TIM certainly doesn't. Does he want humanity to succeed, even at the cost of other races fortunes? Yes. But does that mean that he holds humanity above them? I don't think it does.

 

I know you didn't like the aspect of Cerberus where they're superior to everyone. I don't think the games really tried to portray that about Cerberus. They played along the angle of 'best humanity has to offer'. They're certainly better spies than anyone in the alliance, and better than Liara when it comes to espionage. Liara really isn't that good though as an information broker. The original SB was never really implied to be less than Cerberus however. I would hold that his experience and ability made him a much better information broker than what Liara could ever be.

 

As for the science aspects of Cerberus and the Salarians, the series itself takes a particular theme of anti-science to an extent. It definitely does not portray scientists in an entirely good light, and that really goes for all groups. It's the same deal with politics. 

[Vortex13]

I actually don't think that most people within Cerberus hold that view about humanity being inherently superior on an objective scale. TIM certainly doesn't. Does he want humanity to succeed, even at the cost of other races fortunes? Yes. But does that mean that he holds humanity above them? I don't think it does.

 

Cerberus would never be willing to share power with the aliens, even if humanity was well respected, and we didn't have to worry about getting the short end of the stick in politics, or science, Cerberus/TIM would never stand for humanity to be on equal footing with an alien species.

 

I know you didn't like the aspect of Cerberus where they're superior to everyone. I don't think the games really tried to portray that about Cerberus. They played along the angle of 'best humanity has to offer'. They're certainly better spies than anyone in the alliance, and better than Liara when it comes to espionage. Liara really isn't that good though as an information broker. The original SB was never really implied to be less than Cerberus however. I would hold that his experience and ability made him a much better information broker than what Liara could ever be.

 

 

On that I whole heartedly agree. Liara wouldn't have lasted ten minutes as the Shadow Broker without plot armor.

 

Still, it was kind of annoying to see these millennia old organizations taken down the span of a few years by the youngest species to the galactic scene. "Humanity is special" and all that, but it still would have been nice to see Cerberus get thoroughly trounced by the aliens once and awhile, especially since they have been doing this since before humans devised away to cross the Atlantic.

 

 

As for the science aspects of Cerberus and the Salarians, the series itself takes a particular theme of anti-science to an extent. It definitely does not portray scientists in an entirely good light, and that really goes for all groups. It's the same deal with politics. 

 

 

True.

[SwobyJ]

I don't like how Cerberus is constantly portrayed to be evil and that they're the cause of every problem in the known universe.

 

SuperMac would find a way to say that the entire cycle of harvesting was somehow started by Cerberus using a time machine and manipulating ancient civilizations to build homicidal synthetics.

 

Get ready.

[Massa FX]

Some fail to realize what Cereberus is.

 

It's a group of humans that are pro human in every way. They were scientists, initially, and then soldiers and then indoctrinated fools.

 

Cereberus may not exist in MENext. Shepard and her allies took care of them. (Cronos Station went bye bye)

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think we're going to be the new powerhouse by virtue of having the Citadel in orbit over Earth. It's basically going to have to get a lot of development in the rebuilding process. As well, the vast majority of power-structures in the galaxy are temporarily limited to the area around Earth, until the major relays are back up and running again. Earth is going to be the initial point of rebuilding. From everyone. 

 

So yes, the humans are going to come out favorably after this. 

 

No! I chose Control! The Citadel goes back to the Serpent Nebula! That's where we were going when we closed up shop.

[Arcian]

So Cerberus have been in all 3 games so far in varying roles, and they could show up in many ways in future games.  But what do you want from them in the future?

I want them retconned out of existence.

[God]

I want them retconned out of existence.

 

Sure thing. 

 

Due to Cerberus not existing, the Reapers steamrolled over the galaxy for all time.

 

Rocks fell and everyone died. The End!

[Arcian]

Sure thing. 

 

Due to Cerberus not existing, the Reapers steamrolled over the galaxy for all time.

 

Rocks fell and everyone died. The End!

>He thinks Cerberus in any way contributed to defeating the Reapers

Laughingcherubim.fresco

[God]

>He thinks Cerberus in any way contributed to defeating the Reapers

Laughingcherubim.fresco

 

They did. They brought Shepard back. They gave him a purpose, hell, they worked behind the scenes for nearly 30 years doing who knows what to prepare humanity. They found a way to undermine indoctrination. They found a way to incorporate Reaper power supplies. They created an advanced AI. They gave you the most advanced ship in the galaxy. 

 

How did they not contribute to defeating the Reapers? 

[Wulfram]

>He thinks Cerberus in any way contributed to defeating the Reapers

Laughingcherubim.fresco

 

Well, they resurrected Shepard. 

I mean, they had to get one thing right.

[Arcian]

They did. They brought Shepard back.

Someone else would have ended up bringing back Shepard in their absence.
 

They gave him a purpose

SHE already had purpose before Cancerus ever showed up.

 

they worked behind the scenes for nearly 30 years doing who knows what to prepare humanity.

Doing literally nothing of actual value.
 

They found a way to undermine indoctrination.

Sure, that's what the Reapers wanted them to believe.
 

They found a way to incorporate Reaper power supplies.

I bet you 5000 credits the salarians could do the same but vastly better, while blindfolded with one hand tied behind their back.
 

They created an advanced AI.

Nope, the Alliance did, they just stole it, put some Reaper parts in it and slapped it in virtual chains.
 

They gave you the most advanced ship in the galaxy.

Except the Normandy isn't the most advanced ship in the galaxy by a long shot.
 

How did they not contribute to defeating the Reapers?

By pointlessly murdering countless humans in the name of humanity, hindering Shepard's efforts to stop the Reapers at every turn and delivering the Citadel to the Reapers on a golden platter during the most critical moment of the war.

[God]

Someone else would have ended up bringing back Shepard in their absence.

 

 

For real dude? Nah, this statement is more ****ed up than a football bat. One of the most delusional things I've seen in a long time. 

 

Who else exactly would have brought Shepard back? What would make anyone else think they could bring someone back from the dead? Why would anyone else devote the resources into bringing Shepard back?

 

SHE already had purpose before Cancerus ever showed up.

 

 

 

Said purpose must have been very useful if it meant Shepard went flying around the galaxy as the Council's lapdog looking for more Geth. Maybe he did have a purpose. But he wasn't able to act on it.

 

Doing literally nothing of actual value.

 

 

Sans almost every operation that they were shown to be doing. And you're making a mighty unsteady case to say they did nothing of value with no evidence to back it up.

 

Sure, that's what the Reapers wanted them to believe.

 

 

And it's what Hackett and Shepard believe too, going by post-mission dialogue. So yeah, they did find a way to undermine indoctrination.

 

I bet you 5000 credits the salarians could do the same but vastly better, while blindfolded with one hand tied behind their back.

 

 

I'm not betting fantasy money on something we're never going to get any information on. You have no way of verifying this claim.

 

Suffice to say, I didn't see the Salarians doing it at all. So yeah, Cerberus can, and did, do better than the Salarians.

 

Nope, the Alliance did, they just stole it, put some Reaper parts in it and slapped it in virtual chains.

 

 

A military computer program is not a sentient AI. It is a VI. Cerberus created EDI. They were the ones who made her what she is. They were the ones who made her sapient. This is a grossly inaccurate and simplified recounting of the events. Like everything else you've said so far.

 

Except the Normandy isn't the most advanced ship in the galaxy by a long shot.

 

 

 

What ass are you pulling this information out of? It's pretty clear the Normandy is considered the most advanced ship in the galaxy. Most advanced armor, most advanced weapons, most advanced shields, advanced stealth system, advanced drive core, advanced communication array, with a fully functional and sapient AI housed onboard.... Yeah, it's definitely the most advanced ship in the galaxy.
 

By pointlessly murdering countless humans in the name of humanity, hindering Shepard's efforts to stop the Reapers at every turn and delivering the Citadel to the Reapers on a golden platter during the most critical moment of the war.

 

 

Said humans deaths yielded great results for their experiments, thus helping humanity. And their deaths took an economic burden off of humanities shoulders.

 

They themselves were working to undermine Shepard since both parties saw the others agenda as incompatible. 

 

As for the Citadel, they also took it to Earth, and allowed us the opportunity to actually board the Citadel. As well, you'd still be stuck with BGR. Are you going to try and blame Cerberus for that too?

[KaiserShep]

Someone else would have ended up bringing back Shepard in their absence.

 

Only one other group would even possess the desire to have Shepard back enough to do this, and that's the Alliance. More than likely, however, the idea would likely not occur to them, because the exorbitant expense is not something they could just throw away into a project to bring back a single soldier when that same amount of money could buy them more ships, weapons and equipment for more personnel.

 

Of course, anything can be rewritten for plot, like the Alliance suddenly does its own brand of mad science in lieu of Cerberus-branded shenanigans, but that's neither here or there.

[Vazgen]

Only one other group would even possess the desire to have Shepard back enough to do this, and that's the Alliance. More than likely, however, the idea would likely not occur to them, because the exorbitant expense is not something they could just throw away into a project to bring back a single soldier when that same amount of money could buy them more ships, weapons and equipment for more personnel.

The Alliance doesn't even bother to check the crash site and collect dog tags of the Normandy's crew. They even have the audacity to ask Shepard to do that.

[God]

The Alliance doesn't even bother to check the crash site and collect dog tags of the Normandy's crew. They even have the audacity to ask Shepard to do that.

 

Yep. That shows that they don't really care that much. Shepard was an inconvenience to them.

[themikefest]

The Alliance doesn't even bother to check the crash site and collect dog tags of the Normandy's crew. They even have the audacity to ask Shepard to do that.

That is very disrespectful to the ones who died and their family members

 

Hackett: Mrs.Jones. I'm sorry for your loss, but until Shepard is bought back to life, the Alliance refuses to make any effort to investigate what happened to the Normandy and to find the body of your family member. Good day.

[SwobyJ]

Someone else would have ended up bringing back Shepard in their absence.

 

lol wat