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What role for Cerberus in ME:TNG?


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My Shepard will be that man if headcanon can help it.

I do hope we can express a human centric position in TNGs, BioWare did pretty well with that in Mass Effect 1 and 2, 3 not so much IMO.
But yeah, anyone who thinks its peace and love it a fool.
Exactly.
 
Cerberus is humanity's sentinel, ready and willing to do what the limp-wristed and bureaucratic Alliance can not.

And ReTake is way too popular for them to really go into it. I doubt the feds know or care about a Doujinshi manga that is the unofficial sequel to End of Evangelion. So I think you might just be a bit paranoid.

True, every time I see anime/manga NSFW content involving underage characters, I freak out and always think a couple of agents will show up at my doorstep. Stupid eh?
 
It doesn't help that I'm planning on entering the Criminal Justice system and so I am worried that enjoying anime and manga might earn me a dismissal because of the massive amount of morbid fanwank the mediums produce.
 
I really got to chill out.

Gigguk made 3 more of them. Were you able to see them?

That answer your question? :)

 

Love the Rick and Morty vibe from Gendo and Shinji. 



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I do hope we can express a human centric position in TNGs, BioWare did pretty well with that in Mass Effect 1 and 2, 3 not so much IMO.

 

 

 
SJW's going too far with alien fetishism. I blame them.
 
Cerberus is humanity's sentinel, ready and willing to do what the limp-wristed and bureaucratic Alliance can not.

 

 

Absolutely. Humanities sword, that's what Cerberus is.
 
True, every time I see anime/manga NSFW content involving underage characters, I freak out and always think a couple of agents will show up at my doorstep. Stupid eh?
 
It doesn't help that I'm planning on entering the Criminal Justice system and so I am worried that enjoying anime and manga might earn me a dismissal because of the massive amount of morbid fanwank the mediums produce.
 
I really got to chill out.

 

 

You'll be fine man. Trust me, I work in Military Intelligence and that stuff has never once come up. I can tell you how the interviewing processes go. They don't do large scale internet searches, trust me. They don't have history on you 300 miles long. In fact, they prefer if they don't have anything that isn't generic on you. No history means no incidents.

 

Reading a Manga/Doujin that has hentai (even if the characters are underage) is not going to negatively affect your chances. It's a bloody comic book.

 

You'll be fine ;)

 

That answer your question? :)

 

Love the Rick and Morty vibe from Gendo and Shinji.

 

 

It does indeed. How's Re-Take coming along?


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SJW's going too far with alien fetishism. I blame them.

Yeah, they've got their tentacles around the throat of the developers and the developers are shooting themselves in the foot. Doubtful if we'll ever get back to a more gritty, realistic and morally complex setting.

Absolutely. Humanities sword, that's what Cerberus is.

Yep, a sword keeps another in the sheath as Raiden once put it. A deterrence of sorts. 

 


You'll be fine man. Trust me, I work in Military Intelligence and that stuff has never once come up. I can tell you how the interviewing processes go. They don't do large scale internet searches, trust me. They don't have history on you 300 miles long. In fact, they prefer if they don't have anything that isn't generic on you. No history means no incidents.

 

Reading a Manga/Doujin that has hentai (even if the characters are underage) is not going to negatively affect your chances. It's a bloody comic book.

 

You'll be fine  ;)

I truly wish to believe that man, I truly do and I want to believe the First Amendment protects manga and anime enthusiasts, but then I hear disgusting cases like this:

http://cbldf.org/abo...-files/handley/

And my faith in the Justice system dies a bit, for all I know, this could be me in a couple of years.

 

If it's alright with you, can I ask for a summary of After when I'm done with Re-Take all ages? 

 


It does indeed. How's Re-Take coming along?

 

Got to the part where Shinji found Rei you-know, absolutely morbidly fascinating and I'm pissed Re-Take isn't canon.

 

Did you also check out the fan-fic?  



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ugh can we please bury Cerberus and get a more reasonable pro-human organization?

 

less Fourth Reich, more Stormcloak



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ugh can we please bury Cerberus and get a more reasonable pro-human organization?

 

less Fourth Reich, more Stormcloak

That would require better writing from the Mass Effect team and I don't see that happening given their latest appointment decisions.



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That would require better writing from the Mass Effect team and I don't see that happening given their latest appointment decisions.

a man can dream



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Yeah, they've got their tentacles around the throat of the developers and the developers are shooting themselves in the foot. Doubtful if we'll ever get back to a more gritty, realistic and morally complex setting.

 

 

 

Dragon Age at least is trying to follow that route. Now if only they could put in some stronger heterosexual male content. The double standards. If your LGBT or Female, it's equality. If you're a heterosexual male, it's oppression.

 

But yeah, I think we need to ditch the intrinsic morality system that has permeated fantasy games in BW canon. Some people want their good actions to go unpunished for everything, and make the world a better place in typical paragon paladin fashion.

 

Whereas I want the realistic setting. Which tends to be the more neutral/Renegade style of playthrough. Which is more valid in reality as well. And in the ending of ME3. Just look at the arguments I've gotten into with people over that.

 


I truly wish to believe that man, I truly do and I want to believe the First Amendment protects manga and anime enthusiasts, but then I hear disgusting cases like this:

 

http://cbldf.org/abo...-files/handley/

 

And my faith in the Justice system dies a bit, for all I know, this could be me in a couple of years.

 

If it's alright with you, can I ask for a summary of After when I'm done with Re-Take all ages?

 

 

 

How disgusting. It's sad how some groups think any deviancy is automatically cause for a moral panic. It's bad enough when I see people get bullied for it. Even in the Army. When I was still enlisted, there was an anime fantasy gaming group that met after colors had been retired on post. One time, a 1st Sergeant went to it to see what it was all about. He had it shut down because it was believed the group was 'detrimental to moral patriotism.' The guy didn't like how it wasn't focused on American topics. Made the group leaders, a couple of PFC's who had no idea what was going on attend a mandatory 'senior leadership field day' to learn what 'real Soldiers' were supposed to do in their free time: gamble, smoke, drink, play football, and have a shoot-off and BBQ with a country music band. And he referred them to the Chaplain so that they could learn to put their interests into something 'productive.'

 

We live in a society where the lowest common denominator has control of issuing moral panics at whim. People are too lazy to learn about or understand anything they don't like or aren't interested in, and they judge it and condemn it as weird, geeky, and deviant. 

 

As for Re-Take After, it's best if you finish the story proper before I fill you in on After. It'll make more sense (though not much; it's Eva after all, even if it is unofficial) and it won't be so spoilerific.


Got to the part where Shinji found Rei you-know, absolutely morbidly fascinating and I'm pissed Re-Take isn't canon.

 

Did you also check out the fan-fic?

 

 

  

Ah yes, the part of the story where you realize (if Ghost Asuka wasn't enough) where this isn't just some smutty, run of the mill Asuka/Shinji pairing. It goes downhill from there. It's the part where you realize how close to the real Eva Re-take really is.

 

I checked out parts of it; to be honest, I didn't like some of the atmosphere to it, and it also felt very... convoluted.

 

So it basically reads just like an Eva story.



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SJW's going too far with alien fetishism. I blame them.

 

 

I actually hate it when an alien is nothing but a soapbox for the writers' political/cultural/religious opinions.

 

 

I want to see and learn more about these beings that are totally different from us; aliens that don't have any direct correlation to our human perspective; not to see the entire species of Feminist aliens, or the LGBT aliens, or the Pro Choice aliens, etc.

 

 

I really detest the 'Planet of Hats' troupe, and these [insert political/social/religious ideologies here] aliens are the worst part of that theme (IMO).

 

 

ugh can we please bury Cerberus and get a more reasonable pro-human organization?

 

less Fourth Reich, more Stormcloak

 

 

I am for this as well, just so long as the setting can remained "balanced". When the pro-human faction is able to soundly beat aliens that have been doing things for well over 2,000 years just because [humans are special] is when I start to dislike said faction.

 

 

It works the other way as well though; I really don't like space elves either. 



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What role for Cerberus in ME:TNG?

Hopefully a footnote in history.
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I want a sane, competent, pro-human Cerberus firmly entrenched in the grey-gray morality zone.  It's a niche that must be filled.


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How disgusting. It's sad how some groups think any deviancy is automatically cause for a moral panic. It's bad enough when I see people get bullied for it. Even in the Army. When I was still enlisted, there was an anime fantasy gaming group that met after colors had been retired on post. One time, a 1st Sergeant went to it to see what it was all about. He had it shut down because it was believed the group was 'detrimental to moral patriotism.' The guy didn't like how it wasn't focused on American topics. Made the group leaders, a couple of PFC's who had no idea what was going on attend a mandatory 'senior leadership field day' to learn what 'real Soldiers' were supposed to do in their free time: gamble, smoke, drink, play football, and have a shoot-off and BBQ with a country music band. And he referred them to the Chaplain so that they could learn to put their interests into something 'productive.'

 

That's unfortunate, do you think the Army is becoming too overly concerned with these so called moral determinants?

 

 


We live in a society where the lowest common denominator has control of issuing moral panics at whim. People are too lazy to learn about or understand anything they don't like or aren't interested in, and they judge it and condemn it as weird, geeky, and deviant.

Indeed. People don't want to leave their comfort zones and anything they see outside their established norm is considered deviant and the Justice Department is using that to curb freedom of speech.

 

Unfortunate.

 


As for Re-Take After, it's best if you finish the story proper before I fill you in on After. It'll make more sense (though not much; it's Eva after all, even if it is unofficial) and it won't be so spoilerific.

Thanks and thanks for understanding my concerns.

 

 


Ah yes, the part of the story where you realize (if Ghost Asuka wasn't enough) where this isn't just some smutty, run of the mill Asuka/Shinji pairing. It goes downhill from there. It's the part where you realize how close to the real Eva Re-take really is.

Indeed the Eva brand sheer WTF is well represented in this tale. 

 

Also I just finished the first volume and man do I hate Gendo and Shinji has now reached his despair horizon.

 

Also aside from Asuka's ass, Ghost Asuka's scar'd breast and Shinji's ass, there's no nudity. Hope to see as little nudity as possible in Volumes 2 and 3.  ^_^

 

(Though someone should really cut out those hentai advertisements from the creator at the end of the volume)


I checked out parts of it; to be honest, I didn't like some of the atmosphere to it, and it also felt very... convoluted.

 

So it basically reads just like an Eva story.

 

Give it a read from beginning to end, you might even enjoy it more than me.  B)



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Yeah, Gendo is a total bastard throughout for the most part. Reads a lot like the manga Gendo, who doesn't have the last minute reveal like in the anime where he is cold and distant to Shinji out of fear of being a bad father. He definitely didn't think it through, but Manga!Gendo all-out despises Shinji for taking his Yui's love away from him. In the anime, Gendo is implied to have the same issue of emotional withdrawal and running away as Shinji, whereas in the manga, he has such an obsession and fixation on Yui that he hates his own son because he took her attention and love away from him. Manga!Yui is not pleased. She gives Gendo a thorough dressing down (via Rei and Unit-01). Before eating him.

 

In many ways, Gendo is like TIM. As Anno put it, "Gendo is the type of person who can see & think about the welfare of an organization as a whole. In other words, he'd do anything to succeed. He takes drastic and extreme measures, by fair means or foul, or by hook or by crook, in order to accomplish his own purpose. In some ways he's mean, he hardly cares about Shinji."



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Yeah, Gendo is a total bastard throughout for the most part. Reads a lot like the manga Gendo, who doesn't have the last minute reveal like in the anime where he is cold and distant to Shinji out of fear of being a bad father. He definitely didn't think it through, but Manga!Gendo all-out despises Shinji for taking his Yui's love away from him. In the anime, Gendo is implied to have the same issue of emotional withdrawal and running away as Shinji, whereas in the manga, he has such an obsession and fixation on Yui that he hates his own son because he took her attention and love away from him. Manga!Yui is not pleased. She gives Gendo a thorough dressing down (via Rei and Unit-01). Before eating him.

One of the reasons I don't particularity care for the Manga, I feel the creator screwed up Gendo's character.

 

 

In many ways, Gendo is like TIM. As Anno put it, "Gendo is the type of person who can see & think about the welfare of an organization as a whole. In other words, he'd do anything to succeed. He takes drastic and extreme measures, by fair means or foul, or by hook or by crook, in order to accomplish his own purpose. In some ways he's mean, he hardly cares about Shinji."
Yep, thoroughly ruthless pragmatists battling against alien foes (Reapers, Angels) while outsmarting their human rivals (Alliance, SEELE).

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