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Instead of Stroud why not an Awakening Warden?

Débuté par AngelOfOutlaws , mars 09 2015 03:49

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:11

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Good for you! But as I bolded, someone out there WILL have killed/lost them all. They can't have the game just crash to desktop because they haven't allowed for it, or have people come back. The game is written for all the customers, not ShadowHawk28-oh-and-I-guess-some-others-can-play-it-too.

 

And even if it wasn't all of them, they should have six possible Warden Allies depending on who's alive? What part of their line count and VA budget is going on the chopping block because you cannot handle the Handlebar Moustache That is Stroud?

If several are alive, which one arrives? Loghain and Alis are mutually exclusive, you can only have one, the other, or neither.

 

They need to have one option who is always there NO MATTER WHAT choices you could POSSIBLY have made - because someone out there has made them.

Maybe Bioware is too cheap to bring back those said VA. And saying that i cannot handle the Handlebar Moustache That is Stroud? you can't be serious? That's the worst excuse i have ever heard. Your inquisitor can be equipped with that dumb Handlebar Moustache so it makes no difference.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:20

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I thought the same thing, OP, but if Nathaniel showed up I would've cried my eyes out :'( he's my Warden's bestie/secret lover when not with Alistair. Oh hell no... I definitely would've left Hawke behind if it came down to the two of them.

I think Stroud was just a throwaway character. Bioware just felt like punishing people who didn't choose their world state (king Alistair), plus they just really badly wanted to get rid of Hawke so pressured people into making the decision to choose between fan favorite Alistair, and Loghain.

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:25

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I thought the same thing, OP, but if Nathaniel showed up I would've cried my eyes out :'( he's my Warden's bestie/secret lover when not with Alistair. Oh hell no... I definitely would've left Hawke behind if it came down to the two of them.

I think Stroud was just a throwaway character. Bioware just felt like punishing people who didn't choose their world state (king Alistair), plus they just really badly wanted to get rid of Hawke so pressured people into making the decision to choose between fan favorite Alistair, and Loghain.

i too share your thoughts that Stroud was just a random warden that you only met briefly in DA2 who takes your Sister/Brother Sibling to be a warden and that was it.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:29

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I don't see what's to complain about. 2 of the 3 characters were major in the beginning of the series. So what if one of them is a lesser known that only makes a brief appearance beforehand?

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:32

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I don't see what's to complain about. 2 of the 3 characters were major in the beginning of the series. So what if one of them is a lesser known that only makes a brief appearance beforehand?

Like Fireheart said, Stroud was just a throwaway character who serves no attachment to the player.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:36

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Honestly, it's not like Bioware hasn't brought back possibly dead characters before (Anders.) Actually, if you leave Velanna in Vigil's Keep and you save Amaranthine, she fakes her own death and disappears (the same excuse they used for Anders.)


Well they had originally planned for Velanna to have Anders' role (merge with Justice), but in the end put Anders in the role. So... Yeah. I don't even think it's viable anymore. But I would love to see her again. I loved that she hated my Warden.

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:38

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Well they had originally planned for Velanna to have Anders' role (merge with Justice), but in the end put Anders in the role. So... Yeah. I don't even think it's viable anymore. But I would love to see her again. I loved that she hated my Warden.

LOL and look how Anders' role (merge with Justice) turned out in DA2. Velanna's role wouldn't make a difference, had she been in DA2 in that spot.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:45

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Oghren actually died in my female dalish elf rogue playthrough.  Though turns out it was just Thursday...   AND I made damned sure he died in Awakening in that playthrough since he somehow survived like 100 arrows to the face that I pincushioned him with in Origins.  So yeah, dead twice.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:48

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Oghren actually died in my female dalish elf rogue playthrough.  Though turns out it was just Thursday...   AND I made damned sure he died in Awakening in that playthrough since he somehow survived like 100 arrows to the face that I pincushioned him with in Origins.  So yeah, dead twice.

You really hate that dwarf don't you and you think Sera the elf will make a difference seeing how much hate she gets?


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:53

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No.  My female dalish elf rogue hated him.  Most of my other characters at  the very least tolerated him.  As regards Sera, none of my Inkys so far hate her, though one is struggling with her anti elf crap (him being an elf himself.)


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 02:58

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No.  My female dalish elf rogue hated him.  Most of my other characters at  the very least tolerated him.  As regards Sera, none of my Inkys so far hate her, though one is struggling with her anti elf crap (him being an elf himself.)

Fine as i said before, I can respect People's hatred on how they deal with Oghren in their playthough, but not everyone shares the same hatred to that said dwarf because most of us are fans to that dwarf and we aren't asking for much, just some fan-service as well as some closure.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:03

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I specifically worded my reply to try to get it through to you that it was not "player hatred" but rather being character based.  Does the concept of role playing not click with you or something?


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:05

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Fine as i said before, I can respect People's hatred on how they deal with Oghren in their playthough, but not everyone shares the same hatred to that said dwarf because most of us are fans to that dwarf and we aren't asking for much, just some fan-service as well as some closure.


You don't really get more fan-service-y than Alistair.

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:11

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I specifically worded my reply to try to get it through to you that it was not "player hatred" but rather being character based.  Does the concept of role playing not click with you or something?

I know it's a RPG!!! Your female dalish elf rogue can't hate Oghren without you picking what to say for her.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:11

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You don't really get more fan-service-y than Alistair.

And what about Loghain? Not fan-service-y than Alistair either?


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:13

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Exactly, My Dalish Warden hated Ogrhen but, he hated anyone that wasn't well kept and neat. My Human Warden liked the dwarf, shared his brash sense of humor and, My Dwarven Warden just ignored him as another surfacer turned drunkard. Personally I think he was well written and, well acted. I liked him but, that doesn't mean all of my Wardens liked him


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:16

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And what about Loghain? Not fan-service-y than Alistair either?


Not as much, no. Alistair being an ally from the very beginning, as well as being able to become king and being a potential love interest pretty much saw to that.

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:16

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:24

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Exactly, My Dalish Warden hated Ogrhen but, he hated anyone that wasn't well kept and neat. My Human Warden liked the dwarf, shared his brash sense of humor and, My Dwarven Warden just ignored him as another surfacer turned drunkard. Personally I think he was well written and, well acted. I liked him but, that doesn't mean all of my Wardens liked him

Doesn't mean that Oghren shouldn't be mentioned at all in DA2 and DAI, a little reference wouldn't have hurt both games. Still Oghren would've been so much better than having Stroud/Alistair/Loghain and make you possibly sacrifice him in the Fade.  I mean... at least we'd had some sort of emotional connection to Oghren, whether to poke fun at him thinking he's not funny or thinking he's hilariously disgusting :D I will shed so many tears until we see Oghren again! I really miss that disgusting drunk!  :crying: I'd sacrifice my Hawke just to keep that Drunken Dwarf alive.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:35

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Oghren actually died in my female dalish elf rogue playthrough. Though turns out it was just Thursday... AND I made damned sure he died in Awakening in that playthrough since he somehow survived like 100 arrows to the face that I pincushioned him with in Origins. So yeah, dead twice.

Oghren can die in Awakening?

I love Oghren. He's my Warden's bestie, and I love the banter he has with Wynne and Zevran. He's hilarious.
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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:50

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Now that I think more on it, why would an Awakening warden be there in the first place? They would be a Ferelden Grey Warden, under command of the HoF or Orlesian WC, why would they be getting hunted down by Orlesian wardens? Where are the other Ferelden GWs? Wouldnt this start some sort of a civil war between the different regions' wardens? The plot only involved Orlesian wardens so... Loghain was sent to Orlais way back at the start of DAA and apparently Alistair was exiled there by Anora. But how did Stroud get involved? I thought he was part of the Free Marches...

But yeah, anyway, now that I've over analyzed it, it doesn't make sense. And then again, the Warden ally is hiding out in Crestwood which is in Ferelden... Why didn't they seek the help of the Ferelden GWs? Plus the ally when you meet then in the cave, mentions how they hear the calling, even though they stated only the Orlesian wardens were hearing it. Plus, they said somewhere in the game that the Ferelden grey wardens had "disappeared", but that this was normal when a blight is not happening, so they didn't really disappear, it sounds like they just dropped off the radar. But still begs the question, if they were just "off the radar" and not really gone, were they also hearing the calling? (Because the Warden ally in Crestwood heard it) why didn't they do anything? Also, with HoF off searching for a cure to the calling, who's in charge of Vigil's Keep/the wardens? (My money's on Nate) so many plot holes.

Ok, yeah, read too much into this. Just ignore me.

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 03:53

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Oghren can die in Awakening?

 

You really have to purposely work for it.  Don't upgrade the keep, only save the city, and leave Oghren behind at the keep for the final battles.  IIRC, Justice also died at  the keep in that particular playthrough.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 04:27

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Now that I think more on it, why would an Awakening warden be there in the first place? They would be a Ferelden Grey Warden, under command of the HoF or Orlesian WC, why would they be getting hunted down by Orlesian wardens? Where are the other Ferelden GWs? Wouldnt this start some sort of a civil war between the different regions' wardens? The plot only involved Orlesian wardens so... Loghain was sent to Orlais way back at the start of DAA and apparently Alistair was exiled there by Anora. But how did Stroud get involved? I thought he was part of the Free Marches...

But yeah, anyway, now that I've over analyzed it, it doesn't make sense. And then again, the Warden ally is hiding out in Crestwood which is in Ferelden... Why didn't they seek the help of the Ferelden GWs? Plus the ally when you meet then in the cave, mentions how they hear the calling, even though they stated only the Orlesian wardens were hearing it. Plus, they said somewhere in the game that the Ferelden grey wardens had "disappeared", but that this was normal when a blight is not happening, so they didn't really disappear, it sounds like they just dropped off the radar. But still begs the question, if they were just "off the radar" and not really gone, were they also hearing the calling? (Because the Warden ally in Crestwood heard it) why didn't they do anything? Also, with HoF off searching for a cure to the calling, who's in charge of Vigil's Keep/the wardens? (My money's on Nate) so many plot holes.

Ok, yeah, read too much into this. Just ignore me.

Maybe they tried contacting Vigil's Keep and nothing came back, which is why Leliana chased after rumors? If they did, they would have mentioned Vigil's keep from Mistress Woolsey or Seneschal Varel or something along the lines. i heard that Captain Garevel becomes the new Seneschal of Vigil's Keep.


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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 04:29

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You really have to purposely work for it.  Don't upgrade the keep, only save the city, and leave Oghren behind at the keep for the final battles.  IIRC, Justice also died at  the keep in that particular playthrough.

To qoute on the other board, If one didn't recruit Oghren, I'd be okay with him not being mentioned. If he died, at least i want Felsi mentioning how she told him so. If he's a warden, at least i want to hear a recruit saying, "Of course I'm good with an axe. The head of training at my outpost is this old, drunken dwarf that helped end the blight. He doesn't take combat training lightly." 

 
Still it's better then not mentioning this character at all. I mean is that too much to ask? Are the writers of bioware really that ignorant to these characters? I guess the Developers so called vow to their fans that, compared to its predecessors, the decisions they made throughout the series will have a greater impact on the story and that the player will be given more control over their gaming experience was nothing but a bold faced lie.

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Posté 10 mars 2015 - 04:34

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Honestly, the choice should have been between Hawke and his/her sibling (Carver or Bethany).  If Carver or Bethany were not Grey Wardens then Stroud should have been the substitute.  The siblings would have made it a much more emotional choice and, either way, Varric would have been screwed.  


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