What I want to know is what Stroud is doing if Loghain is the warden
Yeah I've got the same exact question. It's why Stroud and Loghain are both Hawke's contacts within the Wardens in my headcanon, and they're representing those in the Order who are taking issue with Clarel's acts.
Naturally, the Awakening Wardens are part of this small fringe group in hiding.
I like to headcanon that Stroud was caught and sacrificed by Erimond and the Warden mages if he's not the contact.
Stroud, however, is always alive.
Plus Hawke is guaranteed to have met him in such world-states where neither Loghain or Alistair are the Warden. He is, in fact, the one I would reasonably expect to be Hawke's Warden contact.
Alas, Stroud and the Stroudstache were treated as inconsequential in DAI, like many other things.
I don't know about y'all, but when it came down to the choice between Hawke or Stroud, I barely batted an eye as I chose to save Hawke. I mean, the game didn't even try to get us attached to him, we barely got to know him.
I actually quite like Stroud! I mean he's a useful source of Leadership for the post-Adamant Wardens, but I just connected him as a character (being second best probably lol)
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I actually quite like Stroud! I mean he's a useful source of Leadership for the post-Adamant Wardens, but I just connected him as a character (being second best probably lol)
Not really since one of Wardens asks what should they do and yet Stroud doesn't say a word and lets your inquisitor decide their fate. This also applies to Alistair and Loghain if they remained as Wardens.
I chose to leave Hawke, if his story is done, then it's a perfect way for him to "pass the torch" imo, plus I needed Staud to lead the Grey Wardens.
Not really since one of Wardens asks what should they do and yet Stroud doesn't say a word and lets your inquisitor decide their fate. This also applies to Alistair and Loghain if they remained as Wardens.
Stroud has no say.
The Wardens are at the mercy of the Inquisition. At the end of the battle, their forces are halved and most of their mages are dead, including Clarel. If they opposed the Inquisitor's order that they leave Orlais, they would simply be destroyed.
I find it surprising how often people suggest that character deaths could just be retconned. I thought that people were still upset that Leliana turned out to just be playing dead if you fought her in Origins. Either way, I know that I personally would prefer that they stick to the events of previous games instead of just changing them to fit in another cameo.
People have taken my idea and made it far more complex than I first intended it. I did not mean bring in every single Awakenings Warden's actor for a voice role and then based on a player's choice they get a certain Warden. I meant pick one Awakening Warden and if they lived, they were your Warden in DAI instead of Stroud. If you killed them, then you get Stroud or Bioware does their infamous, bringing people back to life thing. I'm saying Nathaniel because, if you play Awakening and he lives, you get a scene with him in DAII, simple explanation as to how Hawke knows him.
Also, for everyone saying how expensive it would be to hire the extra actor, video game voice actors get about 200 dollars an hour and seeing as Nathaniel's role wouldn't be huge, let's say he needed 10 hours for all of his lines. That's 2,000, which, subjectively, isn't that much.
And some people may not have played DAA and would have 0 idea who any of your proposed replacements are. So why does it matter that some people out there don't know who Stroud is when your proposed replacement has the exact same potential problem? O.o
Because it's more of tossing a bone to the hardcore fans. Yeah, the new people to the series wouldn't know Nathaniel from Stroud, but the people that have played DAA WOULD feel that connection.
Also, to the person (Fireheart) saying there are 3 more Dragon Age games left, does that mean they're abandoning the series after them? I never heard about that, is it true?
I don't think the benefit of including Nathaniel in the pool of wardens would be worth the cost. I guess it would be cool if you liked Nathaniel and all. On the other hand, Inquisition has plenty of cameos already if you ask me.
Yeah, I'm not entirely certain when or even really why Hawke would choose to make contact with Loghain. Luckily, he's dead in all my world states, so it's an issue I don't have to deal with.
$200/hour is on the lower end, in terms of quality. There's a $200-$400/hour price bracket, which will get you good actors but no names.
I liked Stroud because his voice actor is French and you can hear it. He does an actual, proper French accent. Most of the Orlesian accents are caricaturish, and probably owe more to Pepe Le Peu than any careful listening to how French people sound when they speak English.
Anyway, re: Awakenings: at this point, they probably have to consider backwards compatibility. I bought Origins on my Mac but I don't think I can buy Awakenings (Amazon seems to sell it but the two reviews are not encouraging; Bioware doesn't seem to sell it). I can't buy Origins OR Awakenings on my Xbox. So I cannot play Awakenings.
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I miss good ol' Oghren. Had a lot of good times with that guy.
I think you missed the part where I said I play on a Mac. Amazon lists the mac version as "currently unavailable" & the Origin store does not offer it.
Admittedly, mac users are still the minority? I think? I don't know. Everyone I know uses a mac. Anyway. I appreciate the thought!
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*derp* Yeah, I did miss that. Sorry 
I really like the three wardens they chose. I feel like each of those characters deserves to go out with a self-sacrificing bang. I don't think HoF or Awakening Warden has the same deep need to prove themselves.
Loghain especially. His response to the fear demon is perfect ("it's nothing I haven't said to myself"), and him proving that making him a warden meant something... a very powerful moment. Stroud was always straight-faced and duty-bound without delusion. Alistair was always in a shadow of the HoF and never became king. He is ready to put himself out there and die for the cause.
HoF has always been more his/her own entity, with goals and power and choice and a degree of self-assurance. Of course, they could also have already made a huge sacrifice. The Awakening warden could maybe be okay in this role of self-sacrifice, but I feel like the Orlesian version is too much of a blank slate. At least to me, it wouldn't have felt right. Too forced.
I couldn't let Hawke die, but I think the Inquisitor's description of their death is amazing if they are sacrificed. "She gave her life. Not because she gave an oath or was marked as special, but because someone had to do it." #StoryofHawke'sLife
where could Hawke have met Loghain?My canon world state: Alistair married Anora, Loghain executed, the only Grey Wardens my Hawke met in DA2 were Stroud, Janeka and Larius. Since two of them can die, the only one left is the moustached guy. It seems logical that Stroud is the perfect contact that Hawke claims to have between the Wardens. Where could have he met an Awakening Warden?
you're confused. We're not talking about the Orlesian warden commander, we're talking about one of the other wardens, like Nathaniel or Velanna.I don't know how others have responded to this, but for most people, the Awakenings warden was the same as their Origins Warden. My personal opinion is that this would have been a difficult choice for many, but only if their warden survived the killing of the archdemon. I personally never played Awakenings with a new character and always played with my warden from origins.
Long story short, I don't think this would have been a very good idea as you would have a previous character feel more impactful in a game that is supposed to have the new IQ as the focus.
where could Hawke have met Loghain?
Carver could have brought him round for dinner? Or after she got Carver out of the danger zone, she might have decided (for his benefit) to go looking for another level-headed Warden who wasn't caught up in the craziness, thus explaining why she took so long to arrive at the Inquisition. If those other wardens we meet in Crestwood were hot on Warden Ally's trail, of course Hawke would have gotten there first.
Not hard to come up with a pretty logical chain of events.
where could Hawke have met Loghain?
It's perfectly viable that Loghain reached out to the one person powerful enough to take this sort of BS since the Warden-Commander is MIA.
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I miss good ol' Oghren. Had a lot of good times with that guy.
You, me and the rest of *true* oghren fans miss that drunken dwarf.
$200/hour? O.o o.O O.o o.O I don't think so, that sounds like way too much. Johnny Yong Bosch would be a millionaire by now, and I think I would've heard about it by now if it were true.People have taken my idea and made it far more complex than I first intended it. I did not mean bring in every single Awakenings Warden's actor for a voice role and then based on a player's choice they get a certain Warden. I meant pick one Awakening Warden and if they lived, they were your Warden in DAI instead of Stroud. If you killed them, then you get Stroud or Bioware does their infamous, bringing people back to life thing. I'm saying Nathaniel because, if you play Awakening and he lives, you get a scene with him in DAII, simple explanation as to how Hawke knows him.
Also, for everyone saying how expensive it would be to hire the extra actor, video game voice actors get about 200 dollars an hour and seeing as Nathaniel's role wouldn't be huge, let's say he needed 10 hours for all of his lines. That's 2,000, which, subjectively, isn't that much.
Because it's more of tossing a bone to the hardcore fans. Yeah, the new people to the series wouldn't know Nathaniel from Stroud, but the people that have played DAA WOULD feel that connection.
Also, to the person (Fireheart) saying there are 3 more Dragon Age games left, does that mean they're abandoning the series after them? I never heard about that, is it true?
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$200/hour? O.o o.O O.o o.O I don't think so, that sounds like way too much. Johnny Yong Bosch would be a millionaire by now, and I think I would've heard about it by now if it were true.
How much do these Voice actors get paid to voice the lines for the games? I'm starting to believe that Bioware is too cheap to hire Steve Blum back.
still doesn't make sense. How could Loghain "reach out" to Hawke? How could Loghain find Hawke but not Leliana and Cassandra with their army of spies? Seems to me that they met sometime way before the beach happened, but it's still weird as to how it could happen... Especially Loghain is like 61, Hawke maybe somewhere in their 30's, why Hawke hanging around with this old man...It's perfectly viable that Loghain reached out to the one person powerful enough to take this sort of BS since the Warden-Commander is MIA.
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