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[Bayonet Hipshot]

I don't understand it. By "it" I am referring to Cassandra's romance story arc. 

• So I did a playthrough where my mage Trevelyan did all these actions
• Took the mountain path.
• Did not believe in the Maker and took the non-faithful path.
• Allied with Rebel Mages and maintained that mages should be free. 
• Reconciled Celene & Briala and executed Gaspard.
• Allied with the Grey Wardens, Loghain left to die in the Fade.
• Let Morrigan drink from the Well of Sorrows. 

 

and did all this as well

• Flirted with Cassandra.
• Discouraged her from becoming a Divine (since my Trevelyan thought she is not politically suited for the job)
• Told her she could do whatever she likes after the quest involving the Seekers ended.
• Gave her a copy of Swords & Shields. 
• Did the side quest where you go and hunt some high profile Seeker targets.

 

& my Trevelyan could still romance her. I'm astounded. I mean my Trevelyan took many actions that she disapproved off. Almost all the actions that he took in the main questline, she disapproves of it. 

 

Don't get me wrong, Trevelyan did not shite talk Cassandra or anything, he did flirt with her and gave her the book from Varric and told her she could do whatever she wants.

 

But realistically, shouldn't Cassandra be neutral ? Shouldn't she be like :- "We are normal friends ?" Trevelyan did things which pleased and displeased her equally.  Isn't that how it works ?

 

I need to understand how can Cassandra romantically love a man who holds views that are not just different but totally opposite to hers. Views that she disapproves of. 

 

It makes little sense and personally feels very wrong to me. I mean if the Rivalry system existed, I can get that this is a rivalmance of sorts but there is no friendship-rivalry system in this game. 

 

If someone could explain this oddity to me, I would very much appreciate it. 

[Br3admax]

If we only slept with people we agree with 100%, we'd have died out a long time ago. Once you get out into the real world, with real women, you'll realise woman rarely if ever agree with you on almost anything. EVER. The people who do are lucky. Also sounds like a boring life. 

[In Exile]

The qualities Cassandra likes in the Inquisitor have absolutely nothing to do with your political views. When it comes to your divinity, she believes in it. As she says in her conversations with you, it doesn't matter to her that you don't believe it; she does, and that's what matters to her. 

 

Not to mention that the political views you adopt are the heroic ones - you want freedom for the mages, redemption of the GWs, etc. 

[Br3admax]

I'm actually wondering the number of people who legit use politics to determine their interest in people. Sounds like a lonely existence. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The qualities Cassandra likes in the Inquisitor have absolutely nothing to do with your political views. When it comes to your divinity, she believes in it. As she says in her conversations with you, it doesn't matter to her that you don't believe it; she does, and that's what matters to her. 

 

Not to mention that the political views you adopt are the heroic ones - you want freedom for the mages, redemption of the GWs, etc. 

 

Oh, okay it get it.  Actually, my Trevelyan is all about giving people second chances. He never saw it as being heroic. & his position about not believing in the maker. I roleplay my Trevelyan as this bookish guy who understand that there a too many tales of different gods and that it would be weird for all of them to be true. So its not out of spite, merely out of scholarly opinion. I mean he is a Circle Mage and Circles of Magi has tons of books. 

 

I'm actually wondering the number of people who legit use politics to determine their interest in people. Sounds like a lonely existence. 

 

Its not politics, so much as personal philosophy. Think of it as a religious dating a non religious person. Or someone who is pro freedom dating someone who is pro authority. 

[Br3admax]

Its not politics, so much as personal philosophy. Think of it as a religious dating a non religious person. Or someone who is pro freedom dating someone who is pro authority. 

Don't take this the wrong way, but how old are you? **** like this happens all the time, and personal philosophy plays a big role in politics. 

[MyKingdomCold]

Eh, I've seen plenty of examples of people from different religions dating each other.  Some have even gotten married.  And personal philosophies might include politics like a really liberal person dating a really conservative person. Have seen examples of that too.

[Catwall]

I'm a religious person who is happily married to an atheist, and I know plenty of couples like us. I also know Democrats married to Republicans, etc. It's really not so strange- indeed, it's kinda fun. Ideological incompatibility is not such a big deal, unless you're a rigid ideologue.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Oh, okay it get it.  Actually, my Trevelyan is all about giving people second chances. He never saw it as being heroic. & his position about not believing in the maker. I roleplay my Trevelyan as this bookish guy who understand that there a too many tales of different gods and that it would be weird for all of them to be true. So its not out of spite, merely out of scholarly opinion. I mean he is a Circle Mage and Circles of Magi has tons of books. 

 

 

 

Its not politics, so much as personal philosophy. Think of it as a religious dating a non religious person. Or someone who is pro freedom dating someone who is pro authority. 

 

It's not that difficult. Having someone sycophantically agree with you about everything is actually not very attractive. For example, faith is an important part of my life, but it isn't for my boyfriend. We just respect each other's boundaries when it comes to the subject.

[katerinafm]

Doing companion's personal quests pretty much guarantees you into their good graces regardless of it you agree on everything or not.

[AWTEW]

If we only slept with people we agree with 100%, we'd have died out a long time ago. Once you get out into the real world, with real women, you'll realise woman rarely if ever agree with you on almost anything. EVER. The people who do are lucky. Also sounds like a boring life.

Or you just have bad taste in women? Real women are quite capable of agreeing with men..

[Ski Mask Wei]

Ha, that's damn near my first play-through except I let Gaspard run the show and I romanced Cassandra.  It seemed believable to me as there are a ton of reasons why people could be attracted to each other.  Deep down Cass is probably lonely and it's most likely been a minute since she's had some d#%k in her life so it's not so far out of left field for her to get with the Inquisitor.  Hell, it's not like she didn't try to fight it either.  She's a Right Hand/Seeker but she's not dead.  Give the poor woman a break.    

[Siha]

Or you just have bad taste in women? Real women are quite capable of agreeing with men..

 

I might have problems to frequently agree with Br3admax, too.

[veeia]

Cassandra doesn't want a Yes Man. I mean she's fine if you agree with her, of course, but she doesn't need that. She's secure in her own opinions and beliefs enough to be with someone who doesn't share them, and intelligent enough to hold dialogues about it. It's not unbelievable. It would benefit from more reactivity, as all relationships in the game would.

If you want a romance that challenges you more based on your decisions, play Sera as a pro Dalish pro Mage Lavellan. She is younger, more insecure/reactive, and will actually leave you if it goes too far out of her comfort zone.

(Both are good romances, just different women and different types of stories)

[Sifr]

 

I need to understand how can Cassandra romantically love a man who holds views that are not just different but totally opposite to hers. Views that she disapproves of.

 

Because no-one in history has ever been in love, or had angry sex, with someone that they kinda hate, but are attracted to regardless?

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

Eh, I've seen plenty of examples of people from different religions dating each other.  Some have even gotten married.  And personal philosophies might include politics like a really liberal person dating a really conservative person. Have seen examples of that too.

 

It's not that difficult. Having someone sycophantically agree with you about everything is actually not very attractive. For example, faith is an important part of my life, but it isn't for my boyfriend. We just respect each other's boundaries when it comes to the subject.

 

Cassandra doesn't want a Yes Man. I mean she's fine if you agree with her, of course, but she doesn't need that. She's secure in her own opinions and beliefs enough to be with someone who doesn't share them, and intelligent enough to hold dialogues about it. It's not unbelievable. It would benefit from more reactivity, as all relationships in the game would.

If you want a romance that challenges you more based on your decisions, play Sera as a pro Dalish pro Mage Lavellan. She is younger, more insecure/reactive, and will actually leave you if it goes too far out of her comfort zone.

(Both are good romances, just different women and different types of stories)

 

To be frank I am just surprised, in a pleasant way I might add, that Cassandra can be like that. I shall explain why.

 

I am an atheist in real life and in my life, I have tried dating religious women. I have dated a Muslim woman, a Christian woman, a Hindu woman and a Buddhist woman. 

 

Out of the four, I have only gotten along well with the Hindu woman and the Buddhist woman. I am still really good friends with both of them and we only ended it because of distance and because I wanted to further my studies and don't want to take the relationship to the next level. Amicable ending if you will. 

 

On the other hand, the Muslim and the Christian one ended really badly. Parents were involved and we now pretend that the other does not exist and what have you. Twas' always constant arguments and fights with them. 

 

So I have no issues with dating religious women or women of different philosophies, just specific religions and specific philosophies.

 

Now getting back to Inquisition, the Chantry borrows many elements of the Christian faith. Hence, you see why I am very wary about playing an agnostic character and then romancing that character with a religious Andrastian. 

[erikdlan]

On the other hand, the Muslim and the Christian one ended really badly. Parents were involved and we now pretend that the other does not exist and what have you. Twas' always constant arguments and fights with them.

Cassandra knows what she wants from a lover: passion and romance. She does not need a lover that constantly agrees with her. She could be in love with a Dalish, or an agnostic and she would deal with her feelings with her dry humour. She would say "Look at me, Right Hand of the Divine, a Seeker, a soldier of the Chantry but in love with such an infidel." And then smile slightly. Yeah, such a relationship could end in a bad way for her, but she would fight for it.

Familiar pressure matters in relationships. A lot. Cassandra left her family when she was very young, so she is quite free from this kind of pressure. And I think she is depicted as a very strong and independent woman, one that wouldn't tolerate someone telling her who she should love, even someone from her family. I totally imagine her answering strongly to that kind of pressure: "This is the man I love. We are together and we will be together no matter what you think. Deal. With. It."

[Br3admax]

Or you just have bad taste in women? Real women are quite capable of agreeing with men..

Today maybe. We'll see tomorrow. Or this afternoon. Or in five minutes.

[Al Foley]

 

I don't understand it. By "it" I am referring to Cassandra's romance story arc. 

• So I did a playthrough where my mage Trevelyan did all these actions
• Took the mountain path.
• Did not believe in the Maker and took the non-faithful path.
• Allied with Rebel Mages and maintained that mages should be free. 
• Reconciled Celene & Briala and executed Gaspard.
• Allied with the Grey Wardens, Loghain left to die in the Fade.
• Let Morrigan drink from the Well of Sorrows. 

 

and did all this as well

• Flirted with Cassandra.
• Discouraged her from becoming a Divine (since my Trevelyan thought she is not politically suited for the job)
• Told her she could do whatever she likes after the quest involving the Seekers ended.
• Gave her a copy of Swords & Shields. 
• Did the side quest where you go and hunt some high profile Seeker targets.

 

& my Trevelyan could still romance her. I'm astounded. I mean my Trevelyan took many actions that she disapproved off. Almost all the actions that he took in the main questline, she disapproves of it. 

 

Don't get me wrong, Trevelyan did not shite talk Cassandra or anything, he did flirt with her and gave her the book from Varric and told her she could do whatever she wants.

 

But realistically, shouldn't Cassandra be neutral ? Shouldn't she be like :- "We are normal friends ?" Trevelyan did things which pleased and displeased her equally.  Isn't that how it works ?

 

I need to understand how can Cassandra romantically love a man who holds views that are not just different but totally opposite to hers. Views that she disapproves of. 

 

It makes little sense and personally feels very wrong to me. I mean if the Rivalry system existed, I can get that this is a rivalmance of sorts but there is no friendship-rivalry system in this game. 

 

If someone could explain this oddity to me, I would very much appreciate it. 

 

1. From my experience most relationships and even marriages do not work this way.  Where people agree on all sorts of things and disagree on all other sorts of things.  

 

2.  Cassandra may dissaproave of your position but that does not mean she hates you for it.  Quit the opposite she telsl you she respects your decision and can even see the merits of it and is glad you made the decision, and the decision you did.  She may not like it, again, but she can respect you enough even if she disagrees with your positon. 

 

Why can't she be real?  *sighs and kicks something*

[Bayonet Hipshot]

1. From my experience most relationships and even marriages do not work this way.  Where people agree on all sorts of things and disagree on all other sorts of things.  

 

2.  Cassandra may disapprove of your position but that does not mean she hates you for it.  Quit the opposite she tells you she respects your decision and can even see the merits of it and is glad you made the decision, and the decision you did.  She may not like it, again, but she can respect you enough even if she disagrees with your position. 

 

Why can't she be real?  *sighs and kicks something*

 

Well, after finishing this playthrough, I find myself asking that too...

[Arlee]

It's completely possible to disagree with someone but still respect and even like them. Cassandra values being able to make choices and doing what you think is right no matter the consequences. And she isn't personally threatened by someone seeing things differently.

[thruaglassdarkly]

 

To be frank I am just surprised, in a pleasant way I might add, that Cassandra can be like that. I shall explain why.

 

I am an atheist in real life and in my life, I have tried dating religious women. I have dated a Muslim woman, a Christian woman, a Hindu woman and a Buddhist woman. 

 

Well as an atheist living in a flyover state, I find it next to impossible to date people who I get a long with and who also share my religious views.  (In my case their aren't a lot of Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists to choose from for that matter either).  Its really a per person thing on how well that goes.  Some people actually respect diversity of opinion on deeply held beliefs.  Some people just say that they do.

 

As for characters created by Bioware, diversity is one of their flagships, so I'm not terribly surprised that one of their main characters is both deeply devout and deeply respectful of those who do not share her faith.  This is pretty consistent with her character throughout, her personal crisis with how she sees the Chantry and how it actually functions in the world, and her desire to build a more inclusive (albeit less radically than Liliana) religious community.  From a storytelling standpoint, I kind of like being able to have characters disagree on some fundamental issues and still fall in love.  

 

That said, if you're ever looking for a more challenging in-game romance, Sera's is pretty closely tied to approval, race, religion, and major quest decisions. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Today maybe. We'll see tomorrow. Or this afternoon. Or in five minutes.

Your terrible ;p

[leaguer of one]

 

 

I need to understand how can Cassandra romantically love a man who holds views that are not just different but totally opposite to hers. Views that she disapproves of. 

 

 

 

Have you not been play dragon age?

 

In dao I played elf that did not care for the maker and She romanced Leliana.

In Dragon age 2 I play a mage that was totally ageist blood magic and deals with demons. And He romanced Merrill.

 

Understand this, romance and love is not about agreeing...Hell, friend ship aren't about that ether. It's about care, respect, and being with someone you like/love. That someone does not always have the same view as you or agree on the same thing but you can still be friend and/or lovers if you respect one another and have a good time with one another.

 

This should not have to be explained.

[congokong]

As has already been said, in real life couples often disagree. The ones who are at each other's throats a lot are like DA2's rivalry romances. The reason you could romance Cassandra is because she got enough approval from you not being an ass. It can be debated that the approval system is out of whack because she is more approving of getting the next copy of Swords and Shields than she is of exiling the Grey Wardens for example.

 

In DA:I, the only character who will end a romance over a difference of opinion on something is Sera with an elf if you fail to admit the Temple of Mythal is a ruin full of demons.