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[luism]

They forgot mythic too

[Meave]

Oh, I am not on that famous ignore list of yours for the time being, I guess I should be more careful with gossips about you then. Ok, sorry, 8.5/10 instead of 10/10, my bad. The number itself doesn't matter at all though. The things you write do. And the fact is you are praising the game for everything it does, no matter how much it failed to deliver from what is being advertised to this very day. Yeah, you are the one to talk about grasp (inb4 being put on the ignore list once again, could not care less though)

 

 

 

I didn't really wanna post more videos, it would seem like spamming, but the EA one is spot on Just like the rest of them. They are really worth watching

 

 

 

Boy oh boy, I am so gonna get banned one day for taking the obvious bait and call you names for what you are, but it is not this day. Ok, I'll take a small bite, I hope it pleases you immensely - I hate attacking the poster instead of their posts, but seeing your imbecile argumentation, I have to seriously wonder how you can function in your day to day life.

 

 

well I am not you, I doesn't pleasure me if someone is trolling...

 

you called me naive for believing in my favorite game making company. But you who believe in some reviewer/s who make an article about the game and that is somehow ok. If you're being paranoid, aren't you afraid that those reviewers are paid off by other companies?

 

for the game like ME or DA I don't need a review cos I know those franchises and I love them and even if a hundred reviewers would say that the game suck I would still buy it cos chances are I gonna like it. Besides how many reviews you read on one game and how much time you spent  on "research". You're acting like you blown your whole life saving on the game while it only cost 50eur and that's just few drinks with your friends or 2-3 tickets to cinema or barely one lap dance so... In a country where company lost lawsuit for not having "hot" written on it's cup of hot coffee if they were lying they would pay for it, but they weren't so they are ok.

[AlanC9]

It is not curious at all, why reviewers didn't pick up on that. It is a well known "secret" that most of them don't usually bother to finish the games they review. And second thing, the reviews are paid.

All of them?

[Mihura]

Nop, DA:I was probably the last game I pre-order. Mostly because of all the games they did I never felt that the story was boring, I was always entertained and did various PTs, now I barely can past the 4th one lol

[TheJediSaint]

Depends.

[Griffin]

Never. Again.

 

I feel like I've been robbed at this point. $70 down the drain.

 

[Natashina]

Yes, if I like the IP enough.  If not, I'll just wait for the reviews and sales.  

 

For Dragon Age, most likely.

[Jeffry]

All of them?

 

The major ones like IGN, Gamespot, Kotaku for example? Yes (paid by ads from major publishers on their sites, not directly). But there are still some others who can be trusted.

 

 

well I am not you, I doesn't pleasure me if someone is trolling...

 

you called me naive for believing in my favorite game making company. But you who believe in some reviewer/s who make an article about the game and that is somehow ok. If you're being paranoid, aren't you afraid that those reviewers are paid off by other companies?

 

for the game like ME or DA I don't need a review cos I know those franchises and I love them and even if a hundred reviewers would say that the game suck I would still buy it cos chances are I gonna like it. Besides how many reviews you read on one game and how much time you spent  on "research". You're acting like you blown your whole life saving on the game while it only cost 50eur and that's just few drinks with your friends or 2-3 tickets to cinema or barely one lap dance so... In a country where company lost lawsuit for not having "hot" written on it's cup of hot coffee if they were lying they would pay for it, but they weren't so they are ok.

 

Yes, I called you naive for blindly believing someone who can't be trusted and I stand by it. But hey, I was naive just as well. I trusted BW and pre-ordered DAI, which was my 4th pre-ordered BW game in a row (DA2, SWTOR, ME3), even though I had small doubts. One would have thought I will realize sooner I am not treated like a customer and there is the possibility I'll get burned, but I was blinded by what I loved about BW in the past. The fact is, they are not that same company anymore. I don't know what has changed (arguably it was EA), but it is there. Somehow I was able to forgive them back then, but when you are deceived and misled yet again, you have to wonder... So if all those lies don't bother you, even in retrospect and you will throw your money at them in the future without a second thought again, then good for you, but that is kinda what naive in this case means.

 

Trusting a wide array of reviews, let's play videos or your own experience from playing a pirated version is not really naive. What else can you do to get as accurate picture of the game as possible? And you can easily tell if the reviews are paid or not, if you follow them for some time or you'll check their reviews of questionable games and how they swept their mistakes under the rug. Also I don't blindly trust even the trustworthy reviews, I take them into consideration. And it doesn't really take a lot of time to do this little research, in today's world you can read the reviews during your commute on your smartphone for example.

 

Well, you have to take into consideration, that 50 € means something different for people from different countries, not everybody from Europe lives in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands or Luxembourg For example here 50 € is 45 beers (and not some cheap pee-pee, but the original pilsner lager), 9 cinema tickets or a full hour with a 9/10 hooker (and no, not just for a barely one lapdance) So being tricked into spending 50 € on an inferior product is nothing you will just shrug your shoulders, forgive it and happily let yourself to be tricked in the future again

 

They WERE lying. Once again, Casey Hudson (the executive producer) said the ending will not at all be A-B-C and our choices from previous games will matter. What we got? An A-B-C ending (which once again we were told would not be the case -> hence a LIE) and our choices "mattered" to a very small degree (not as we were told they would). If you personally can act as if nothing happened and continue to throw your money at them, then that is your prerogative. But for that you are an irresponsible and naive customer and you are not helping anybody except the big companies that don't deserve this level of blind trust, they become complacent because of it. You can remain oblivious to their lies, but that doesn't change the fact they lied. But it was during an interview, your choices from previous games somehow mattered and the "not an A-B-C ending" wasn't used as official advertisement. The lawsuit was not dismissed because BW hadn't lied, they did, but because they didn't break any laws in the process (tells you something about the regulations surrounding video games industry) and it would stand a very little chance at a court. That is it.

[Il Divo]

Just finishing a run up myself. Yeah, pretty fine. But of course, the "classic CRPG" fans wanted nothing to do with it at the time, and were sure it was a sign that Bio was going straight down the tubes. Remember Terror_K and Gatt9?

 

Yep, I remember those days. Gatt especially was an interesting one. It certainly didn't help that he wouldn't define RPG consistently. The definition became whatever he wanted it to be, depending on what games he was talking about.

 

Not to say ME2 didn't have some mistakes made (I myself love a juicy RPG rules system), but it did dispense with a lot of RPG tropes that I think are out-dated, especially with Bioware's cinematic stories. Excessive focus on loot being a key example (ME1 anyone?). 

[Draining Dragon]

ME2 story just bad filer, but it have great characters. And personally one of best endings.

Mass Effect 2 was a gigantic side quest, but it was still the best game of the series.

The reason is that Bioware focused on doing what they're good at, rather than trying to copy other developers.

[Meave]

They WERE lying. Once again, Casey Hudson (the executive producer) said the ending will not at all be A-B-C and our choices from previous games will matter. What we got? An A-B-C ending (which once again we were told would not be the case -> hence a LIE) and our choices "mattered" to a very small degree (not as we were told they would). If you personally can act as if nothing happened and continue to throw your money at them, then that is your prerogative. But for that you are an irresponsible and naive customer and you are not helping anybody except the big companies that don't deserve this level of blind trust, they become complacent because of it. You can remain oblivious to their lies, but that doesn't change the fact they lied. But it was during an interview, your choices from previous games somehow mattered and the "not an A-B-C ending" wasn't used as official advertisement. The lawsuit was not dismissed because BW hadn't lied, they did, but because they didn't break any laws in the process (tells you something about the regulations surrounding video games industry) and it would stand a very little chance at a court. That is it.

 

you just can't let this one go, can you? Liars!!!!! well here's what I thought happened. They were working on different endings other than abc, they they got setback, something blown up or just EA said wrap it up and release, we can add ending later (or never). So they, at the time, in good consciousness said that they're working on those endings, but didn't finish it up on time for release. I hardly can call that a lie... don't fixate on the little things you end up looking like a nitpicker.

[Jeffry]

actually I don't, but somehow Voldemort comes to mind :]]]

 

You wish it was Voldemort But nope, not gonna get baited into being banned, name calling is not really allowed here, unless it is something nice. This would not be nice

 

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you just can't let this one go, can you? Liars!!!!! well here's what I thought happened. They were working on different endings other than abc, they they got setback, something blown up or just EA said wrap it up and release, we can add ending later (or never). So they, at the time, in good consciousness said that they're working on those endings, but didn't finish it up on time for release. I hardly can call that a lie... don't fixate on the little things you end up looking like a nitpicker.

 

Oh boy, my original reply was removed because instead of 4 * I used only 2 * to cover up the f-word (and yours got removed as well because you quoted me on it ) ... I am not retyping all that. Instead I'll do an abridged version:

 

They lied, it can't disputed and it wasn't the first or last of their lies. They still continue to lie (I talk about this in a different thread). That could have happened and I thought of it, because the first draft of the ending (about dark matter, which Drew Karpyshyn contributed to) was canned. There is no way for us to know if the interview with Casey happened after or before that. Either way, it doesn't change anything about the lie, they had multiple options how to rectify it, yet they sticked with the lie. I blame EA for rushing them to finish the game in 2 years instead of 3 it usually takes. But BW can still be blamed for lying.

 

Also nitpicking is pointing out insignificant mistakes. Lying about something which helps you to sell the game is not a minor issue.

 

Well, if you continue to sweep their ****ups ( ) under a rug, you'll end up looking like a ... you know who

Modifié par Jeffry, 14 mars 2015 - 07:17 .

[Shadow Fox]

Yup

 

one buggy game won't ruin all the great experiences I've had with preordering..

[Benman1964]

Yup

 

one buggy game won't ruin all the great experiences I've had with preordering..

I'm yet waiting to receive that great experience from my very first game i ever pre-ordered, being DAI. Not happening up till now, still waiting.

[Darkly Tranquil]

The major ones like IGN, Gamespot, Kotaku for example? Yes (paid by ads from major publishers on their sites, not directly). But there are still some others who can be trusted.

I don't trust any gaming website, they all have a conflict of interest between reviewing and advertising. The only reviewers I trust are Totalbiscuit and Razorfist.

[Jeffry]

I don't trust any gaming website, they all have a conflict of interest between reviewing and advertising. The only reviewers I trust are Totalbiscuit and Razorfist.

 

Yeah, I like TB myself. I still like AJ as well, but his DAI review (and his top games of 2014) felt very wrong, not like him at all. The only website I somewhat trust is incgamers.com, check out their reviews if you'll have the time, they are not shy to give AAA games a hard time, if they deserve it. Also they seem to have a pretty knowledgeable fanbase, judging from the popular vote about 2014 games

[Darkly Tranquil]

Yeah, I like TB myself. I still like AJ as well, but his DAI review (and his top games of 2014) felt very wrong, not like him at all. The only website I somewhat trust is incgamers.com, check out their reviews if you'll have the time, they are not shy to give AAA games a hard time, if they deserve it. Also they seem to have a pretty knowledgeable fanbase, judging from the popular vote about 2014 games

Yeah, his DAI felt weird. He's an admitted Bioware fanboy, so maybe he was just being excessively generous, but that and his apparent increasing closeness to major developers and publishers did cause a loss of confidence in his objectivity. I like TB and Razorfist because they hold the same view I do - that critics must remain at arms length from the products they review and the people who make them.

[iamthespark]

Would I pre-order again? For sure.  Bioware is the only company out there even thinking about making games with the content I like.  The story, the comradery feel, the customizations, the dialogue choices, and the choice of romances; all of these things I love and I would easily throw money at for it to continue.  Pre-ordering also allows me to get any extra DLC. 

[Mushashi7]

I preordered DAI.

I was going to buy the game anyway. But I'm not sure I will do this again - unless I get a considerable DISCOUNT.

[Natashina]

The only preorder I personally regret was the collector's editor of World of Warcraft Cataclysm.  That was $120 down the drain.  I was so angry after that, but I didn't stick around and rant at the devs.  I knew there was no point.

[Jeffry]

The only preorder I personally regret was the collector's editor of World of Warcraft Cataclysm.  That was $120 down the drain.  I was so angry after that, but I didn't stick around and rant at the devs.  I knew there was no point.

 

So we should just accept all their fouls? We should stop voicing our opinions and either silently stop buying their games or silently keep buying them? What an excellent idea (Or did you meant we should only praise the game and the devs?)

 

Do you remember the shitstorm after ME3? It was pretty ridiculous, I myself didn't take part in it, but we got EC out of it and for free. I am not saying something similar could be achieved here, but being silent won't help anything at all. Voicing our opinions just might, even if the chances are awfully slim. It most likely won't change anything, since BW don't (or aren't allowed to) care anymore, but you never know... When even David Gaider replies to a thread in this section of a forum about qunari lore, some of our feedback might get through as well.