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[Torrential]

 I buy Early Access games all the time, as I can see reviews (or better let's plays) and read comments on the state of the game, then decide what's that worth to me in it's current state, and pay that not more. This is how I really win with the Early Access model. Why am I telling you this fortune cookie advice? Because I can't do that with preorder, there are no let's plays, only if you are really look a couple of reviewers running press copies. 

 

So for me, I don't preoder, especially not since being unable to get a refund for sim city deluxe and no compensation because I had the deluxe package and all DLC (which was insane btw), loads of us couldn't play the game for a good six months due to the silliness of their own servers.

[GreyWarden_Smith]

Yeah SimCity was a mess, I never purchased the game as it isn't my thing but the way EA changed Maxis in their recent games then closed them due sales issues, sucks due them being such a good developer.

 

Make you worry for Visceral Games, Criterion Games & even Bioware if their games start to under-perform than expected by EA.

[Silcron]

Yes, for some companies or if I want a special edition. In the second case is more aobut making sure I get one, you know, reserving. For example I have the collector's edition of The Witcher 3 preordered, because I want that edition, the devs haven't let me down and I don't want to go to the shop on launch day and find out they've run out of them. Though sometimes there are exceptions, for example Monster Hunter 4. I'm enjoying it greatly but I didn't preorder it.

So yes, I will still preorder as I always have, but I'm very picky when it comes to that. Preordering is something special to me, like getting a special edition is, if I'm willing to go the extra mile I may as well make sure I get it.

[sleasye74]

Hell no at least when it comes to BW

[Lunatic Lace]

DA:I was actually the first game I ever pre-ordered. I don't totally regret it, but I think I could have done without. It's hard to say if I'll ever pre-order again in the future, but I'm not completely wiping my hands of the idea. Hell, if ME4 ends up looking great and comes with some decent pre-order stuff then I'll strongly consider it.

[X Equestris]

If I like what I see and have the money for it, yes, I will preorder again.

[Keitaro57]

I will never pre-order a game now. I've made it before, during the 16 bit era, but now it is useless. Not because you can download it on the digital market, but because you must wait 6 months before enjoying the games, the time each and every patches are out. Why must I pay more to put a beautiful copy on my desk during months before even the possibility to fully enjoy the game?

 

I don't trust Internet reviewers or internet sites to give true and trustful advice about games quality. I don't trust Youtuber. I don't trust publisher. I don't trust game devs... Not because I'm a paranoïd guy, but because each and every of them had lot to win if they blatantly lie to me!

 

2014 was THE year of hyped games that doesn't survive the hope they gived to the players. I wonder how come that after this annos horribilis some people still trust every chain of the game market...

[turuzzusapatuttu]

I will. At least for BioWare and CDPR (provided the pre-orders have some kind of bonus).

[Jeffry]

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Then I don't know where you get your games from, but I have only the option to pay upfront. Or in the case of retail versions, I can choose cash on delivery, but that costs extra money, so... Also games on Origin / Steam goes for 33% more in my country compared to retail.

 

Yeah, even with honest not paid reviews and lets plays, you still can't know if you will like the game, but you can pirate it and try it out yourself. This will give you a pretty good idea imo and with no demos around, nothing can match that. And you can do it only after release. I know, pirating is wrong, but so is lying to the customers.

 

And yeah, Early Access is another completely hideous way to try to milk the customers for money even more. Games staying in their betas for over a year, yet with fully working microtransactions...

[phantomrachie]

Then I don't know where you get your games from, but I have only the option to pay upfront. Or in the case of retail versions, I can choose cash on delivery, but that costs extra money, so... Also games on Origin / Steam goes for 33% more in my country compared to retail.

 

Yeah, even with honest not paid reviews and lets plays, you still can't know if you will like the game, but you can pirate it and try it out yourself. This will give you a pretty good idea imo and with no demos around, nothing can match that. And you can do it only after release. I know, pirating is wrong, but so is lying to the customers.

 

And yeah, Early Access is another completely hideous way to try to milk the customers for money even more. Games staying in their betas for over a year, yet with fully working microtransactions...

 

That is ****   - I get most of my physical pre-orders from GameStop.ie - who don't take the money until they have shipped the game. My one digital pre-order was from Origin were they did take the money upfront.

 

I used to order from Game, when they were around in Ireland but even then I only had to pay like 5EUR as a deposit and that was only if I was getting the special edition.

 

I didn't realise it wasn't like that everywhere else, it seemed to be the same for most people I speak to about it online.

 

As for the cost of digital v physical - it is basically the same in Ireland. I was under the impression you were from a country in the Eurozone, so I thought it would be the same for you. Not sure where I got that from, I thought you had said you were in another thread.

 

Pirating is not a great way to test either so its there are a number of developers who now put little things in their game to mess with people who pirate, like that Game Developer game that would make sure that the games you created would eventually get pirated so much that they couldn't make money.

 

The only guaranteed why to see if you like a game before you buy it these days is to borrow it from a friend.

[Shechinah]

I miss the times where I could could check out if I liked a game enough to buy it by borrowing it from my local library. Sure, not all the copies worked because some people are terribly at treating the material but it was still a good system.

[Xralius]

After this terrible game with it's false promises (lies) I will never preorder a game again, except maybe from Bethesda. The only way I will ever forgive Bioware for the awful ME3 ending and horrible excuse for a DA game that DAI is is if they make something worthy of DA:O. I probably won't even buy ME4 because of DAI.

[Zeratulr]

I will say that I have made a solemn vow never to preorder any video game ever again. 

 

I enjoy Dragon Age Inquisition, don't get me wrong. But I am seeing a lot -  A LOT - of threads about so many broken, buggy features. And the PS3/360 thread is the saddest thing on Earth, namely those photos of the characters lacking texture pop. Holy crap. That is just....................how could anyone even put a price tag on that? heh. 

 

Anyway, the preordering craze has gotten out of hand. Seems as though preordering is just another way to guarantee money into the pockets of the companies before they've even sold you the game. Preordering used to be a means by which to reserve a game before inventory bottomed out and there were no more copies left. But with digital downloads as popular as they are... preordering is pointless. 

 

I guess the only way these companies can keep you hooked on preordering is by offering some kind of DLC with every preorder. But that just seems shady to me. If they need to entice you to preorder, well.... that's questionable. Games are being released with more and more issues. The preorder crowd has become the paying test audience. 

 

Please, let's stop feeding this beast. Stop preordering. I know I will.

I didn't pre-order DA:I for some reason but if I got a chance of going back in time I would pre-order it the first day it was possible because it kicks ass as an RPG (IMHO) and because after playing it for 100+ hours I can't understand what all these problems people keep talking about are. Some minor graphical glitches and 1 crash per 10-15 hours of gameplay? I don't know, maybe I was just lucky...

 

Speaking about pre ordering in general I really don't understand what is so bad about it. There are some games which I just know I must play because of the franchise or developer name. Even if it turns out to be a huge disappointment I won't regret the decision to buy the game because I had to try, just in the future I will know I have to be more cautious with that franchise/developer. Plus you can have really sweet deals with pre ordering. I recently had a particularly good experience: in December on Origin I bought Witcher 3 for 599 of... whatever currency they use in my country. Today it costs 1099. Some may say that it was stupid to buy the game because of the release date delay but I doesn't matter to me: I must try that game and I'm still happy it was such a bargain.

[Endurium]

I have Witcher 3 pre-ordered; that experience will determine if I ever pre-order again.

 

Avoiding "early access" stuff because there's no guarantee it'll ever reach a "finished" state, and I'm not fond of the idea of being a paying beta-tester.

[Jeffry]

That is ****   - I get most of my physical pre-orders from GameStop.ie - who don't take the money until they have shipped the game. My one digital pre-order was from Origin were they did take the money upfront.

 

I used to order from Game, when they were around in Ireland but even then I only had to pay like 5EUR as a deposit and that was only if I was getting the special edition.

 

I didn't realise it wasn't like that everywhere else, it seemed to be the same for most people I speak to about it online.

 

As for the cost of digital v physical - it is basically the same in Ireland. I was under the impression you were from a country in the Eurozone, so I thought it would be the same for you. Not sure where I got that from, I thought you had said you were in another thread.

 

Pirating is not a great way to test either so its there are a number of developers who now put little things in their game to mess with people who pirate, like that Game Developer game that would make sure that the games you created would eventually get pirated so much that they couldn't make money.

 

The only guaranteed why to see if you like a game before you buy it these days is to borrow it from a friend.

 

Oh wait, I forgot something. I was only listing the options for when I want the game to be delivered to my house and that is either paying upfront or cash on delivery. There is always the option to pre-order something online and then go to the store yourself to pick it up and pay for it there. But going to the store is sometimes more expensive than having it delivered by courier. It depends on exactly where you live, how far is the closest store, etc.

 

Yeah, I am in the Eurozone, that is why I complain about the fact that new games on Steam / Origin go for 60 EUR, instead of the usual 60 USD. But retail pricing is a bit different - probably based on the dollar (from a while back when it was way cheaper) and retailers are also reluctant to increasing the prices, since price is the main reason games don't sell really well here.

 

Well, that only goes for smaller companies. The big ones don't do stuff like this, they invest heavily in DRMs, so there is no need for them to add weird things into the game as well. They fail to realize that their protection will get cracked (unless it is an always online DRM with computing stuff on distant servers). You can get a pretty accurate picture from pirated AAA games, when day 1 patch is included.

[Shechinah]

(to Jeffry) Personally and speaking without experience, I think the better and more amusing protection is the one where they add something to the game that springs in a pirated version like making the final boss unwinnable or screwing with the difficulty setting.

 

Sometimes I wonder if some of the DRM is imposed by the publisherers on some of the companies since some of the latters would be aware of how ineffectual DRMs can be.

[phantomrachie]

Oh wait, I forgot something. I was only listing the options for when I want the game to be delivered to my house and that is either paying upfront or cash on delivery. There is always the option to pre-order something online and then go to the store yourself to pick it up and pay for it there. But going to the store is sometimes more expensive than having it delivered by courier. It depends on exactly where you live, how far is the closest store, etc.

 

Yeah, I am in the Eurozone, that is why I complain about the fact that new games on Steam / Origin go for 60 EUR, instead of the usual 60 USD. But retail pricing is a bit different - probably based on the dollar (from a while back when it was way cheaper) and retailers are also reluctant to increasing the prices, since price is the main reason games don't sell really well here.

 

Well, that only goes for smaller companies. The big ones don't do stuff like this, they invest heavily in DRMs, so there is no need for them to add weird things into the game as well. They fail to realize that their protection will get cracked (unless it is an always online DRM with computing stuff on distant servers). You can get a pretty accurate picture from pirated AAA games, when day 1 patch is included.

 

I was actually talking about getting it delivered from the Gamestop website, I haven't stepped instead a game shop on a regular bases since Game closed down in Ireland. I don't like how Gamestop is laid out and there staff aren't as helpful as the staff in Game used to be.

 

The awesome thing about Gamestop.ie is that they have a warehouse in Ireland, so the shipping is not as expensive as it is when I have to order from the UK and I get it the day of or the day before release.

 

I misunderstood what you meant by retail price - I thought you meant digital v retail in your own country not versus USD.

 

I have that problem with most things, the digital prices on iTunes & the Kindle Store are ridiculous, but I don't mind 60EUR - 70EUR for a game, that is pretty much the price I've always paid.

 

The only company I know that gives people in the Eurozone, USD comparable prices is Comixology - 2.50EUR for a comic is kickass in comparison to 5 for a physical copy. Even though they are an Amazon company they've kept those prices. 

 

RockSteady put in that thing with Batman's glide ability in their games, but yes it is mostly smaller studios that do that.

[otis0310]

I pre ordered this game and Sims 4.  With Sims 4 I came close to returning it, but by the time I decided to return it the grace period had elapsed so I was stuck with it.

 

This game l would have sent back for certain, no doubt about it, but I bought it from Electronics Boutique, and they don't accept refunds or even trade ins for PC games.  Except for technical reasons like a cracked DVD or something of course, in which case I just get a new copy of the game.

 

 I used to like The Sims, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age, and EA's greed killed them all. So when it comes from anything from EA, no, never again under any circumstances.

 

But I would probably pre order Starcraft 2:Legacy of the Void.  I like the Starcraft franchise I think they did a good job at it.  But blizzard has a tendency to keep things back in order to fix bugs, in fact they take too long at it.  But when it does come out, it is rock solid.  A lot better than the rushed out hatchet job EA does, that is for certain.

[lottie53]

Never. Feel stupid for falling for the hype, especially after the mess they made of DA2 and the end of ME3. Abysmal experience on Xbox 360, boring, repetitive quests, awful CC, terrible crafting, no healing magic, limited spell progression, terrible body animation...I could go on ....but NO DEFINITELY NOT

[Jeffry]

(to Jeffry) Personally and speaking without experience, I think the better and more amusing protection is the one where they add something to the game that springs in a pirated version like making the final boss unwinnable or screwing with the difficulty setting.

 

Sometimes I wonder if some of the DRM is imposed by the publisherers on some of the companies since some of the latters would be aware of how ineffectual DRMs can be.

 

I know right

 

Ofc they are, there is no way in hell BW came up with the idea that having something like new and expensive Denuvo DRM protecting their game would be awesome. Even the publishers must know how in general ineffective DRMs are. Denuvo probably got its job done, DAI was not cracked for like a month, but it was after all only the second or third game using it and when the chinese hackers finally decided to crack it, they cracked it. Denuvo was kinda an exception, the majority of the DRMs are complete crap, cracked in a day, yet they only bother the paying customers. Thank God for companies like CD Projekt and their online store GoG.

[Shechinah]

(to Jeffry) Not to mention that cracking is sometimes done purely for the fun of it and not even because the person in question has an interest in playing the game or selling a crack. It is just down to the challenge for some: the more difficult the crack, the more interesting it becomes.

[Jeffry]

I misunderstood what you meant by retail price - I thought you meant digital v retail in your own country not versus USD.

 

I probably managed to screw it up New game on Steam / Origin goes for 60 EUR, which is 1636 CZK (my currency). Yet retail version of the game costs 1200 CZK (which used to be the same as 60 USD like 2 years ago). Kinda a huge difference (more than 30% more). 436 CZK is for example 17 cheeseburgers from McDonald's (can't think of any better global product to show the difference on).

 

(to Jeffry) Not to mention that cracking is sometimes done purely for the fun of it and not even because the person in question has an interest in playing the game or selling a crack. It is just down to the challenge for some: the more difficult the crack, the more interesting it becomes.

 

Yeah, to this day I remember the crack for Settlers 7. Where the hacker group even congratulated Ubisoft for putting up a good fight. The cracked version worked in the way you had to run a server on your computer the game could be connected to for the whole time.

[Panda]

DAI was first game I preordered and experience was horrendous and pretty much make my faith and love to company die a lot as well. So no, I don't want to preorder anything again. Especially from Bioware. First no trailers, pretty much no info and no gameplay videos for PS3 and buying pig in a poke that turned out to be quite sick and faulted one.