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[Pasquale1234]

If everyone has equal say in the government though, suddenly the Elcor, Hanar, and Volus have a pretty substantial voting power. They might not see their measures pass, but they can just as easily block measures that the Turians, Salarians, Asari, or Humans want to pass. This balance of power ensures that decisions are more than likely to be made that benefit the majority of the galaxy instead of an elite few species.

That sounds great on the surface, but what about supplying ships, crew, troops for the Citadel fleet?

If you give them equal voting privileges without supplying equal military force, then you are sort of giving them authority without the accompanying responsibility. It could be pretty easy to vote to, for example, extend Citadel space to the terminus systems if you have little skin in the game.

[Vortex13]

That sounds great on the surface, but what about supplying ships, crew, troops for the Citadel fleet?

If you give them equal voting privileges without supplying equal military force, then you are sort of giving them authority without the accompanying responsibility. It could be pretty easy to vote to, for example, extend Citadel space to the terminus systems if you have little skin in the game.

 

 

A large problem with the old Council system was that only those species with adequate military power could be council members, that and the Council imposing laws that strictly limited the military power of non-Council members. The requirements of membership have always been in favor of those already on the Council. 

 

 

Instead each species would be required to supply Citadel space with some useable assets, but it should be less about which species holds the biggest military force and more about what each species can bring to the table; and such assets being agreed upon the other members of the Council. For instance, the Volus don't have the military capacity that the Turians have, but their economy is considerably larger than the Alliance's, they could therefore agree to a portion of their gross income to go towards economic needs of the Council in return for a seat. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Ah, the council and the council races.... what to do....

 

Like every other time, there will be a search for the guilty and persecution of the innocent. Sanctions against the Asari government won't affect those in power, they will affect the people. Sanctions against the Salarians won't affect those in power, they will affect the people. Sanctions against the Turians won't affect those in power, they will affect the people. And you'd better hold humans accountable for the actions of Cerberus.

 

I seriously doubt that there was that high a demand for dancers and merc groups considering the billions of Asari in the galaxy. I would not imagine they were any different than any other society. We just saw the negatively stereotyped margins. You don't conquer 1/3 of the galaxy with strippers.

[BioWareM0d13]

I doubt there will be sanctions of any kind in the aftermath of the Reaper War. There will be bigger concerns, like rebuilding the rubble that used to be everyone's (except for the Salarians) home worlds. Much like the Reaper War the galaxy is going to have to work together and pool resources. No one faction is going to be able to rebuild galactic civilization on it's own.

[themikefest]

I believe the asari are in a world of hurt. The galaxy learns about them having an artifact on their homeworld breaking council law, their own law, and refused to reveal it until the last minute. I'm sure the public will demand some kind of punishment. I wouldn't be surprised if the asari have a civll war because of what their government failed to do or at the very least have riots in the streets

 

I also wouldn't be surprised if someone is able to convince Wreav that the asari are the ones that sabotaged the cure. Remember the asari refused to show up to the summit. That might be stretching it a bit, but its possible

 

They will go from being the top dog in the galaxy to being the scum of the galaxy. All the other species will view them differently and some may even go as far as to commit violent acts against them 

 

Had the asari revealed that artifact much earlier, there's a good chance they would remain top dog, but because of being selfish and stupid, they flushed themselves down the sewer.

 

Yeah the galaxy might be rebuilding, but I doubt they would forget what the asari did.

 

At the very leat, the asari should lose their seat on the council and replace by, oh I don't know, how about the Volus? Haha. That would be cool. Councilor Barla Von.

 

I see humanity becoming the new top dog and remain there for a very long time

[BioWareM0d13]

The Asari are never going to lose a Council seat. They founded the Citadel Council. It would be sort of like the United States being ejected from the United Nations, or France or Germany kicked out of the European Union. 

 

They've also got the galaxy's second largest fleet. Military might translates directly into political power. You've only got as much political influence as the size of stick you wield.

[themikefest]

The Asari are never going to lose a Council seat. They founded the Citadel Council.

That doesn't mean anything
 

They've also got the galaxy's second largest fleet. Military might translates directly into political power. You've only got as much political influence as the size of stick you wield.

Again that doesn't mean anything if the other species team up to impose their will on them

[Livi14]

A similar question was asked of Cerberus having some form of role in ME:NG. But what about the other races?

 

Given some of the events and revelations uncovered during the ME trilogy (Athame Temple Beacon, STG experimentation on known sapient beings on their home world, and the evidence of a Tuchanka planet killer bomb). What sort of consequences do you think should result for the social elites that impose such tactic? Are these species fit to continue exerting the influence and dominance they had in the last cycle? Or had the form of civilization that they constructed become decadent and corrupt?

 

These issues will more than likely be thrown under the rug amid all the chaos of rebuilding (how many people even know about this stuff?). And there is no race that is in a position to go around pointing fingers over issues that came to light over the war.

 

As for the council, I don't expect much of a change beyond cosmetics for the reasons Pasquale 1234 mentioned. The asari or salarians losing their seat is sheer nonsense, of course. It would be hypocritical, and nobody has an interest in it. The asari, for example, police outer council space. Who is supposed to take over that job if they lose their seat. The elcor fleet? And imagine the logistical problem to rebuild the entire network of relays without the help of the asari or salarians.

[Epyon]

A large problem with the old Council system was that only those species with adequate military power could be council members, that and the Council imposing laws that strictly limited the military power of non-Council members. The requirements of membership have always been in favor of those already on the Council. 
 
 
Instead each species would be required to supply Citadel space with some useable assets, but it should be less about which species holds the biggest military force and more about what each species can bring to the table; and such assets being agreed upon the other members of the Council. For instance, the Volus don't have the military capacity that the Turians have, but their economy is considerably larger than the Alliance's, they could therefore agree to a portion of their gross income to go towards economic needs of the Council in return for a seat.

Keep in mind that the civilian population on the Citadel is dead no matter what the ending, that includes all those volus bankers, businessmen and ambassadors. And it'll take some time to reconnect with volus space after ME3 too. How many ships each species brought to the battle of Earth HAS to figure into how the government on Citadel above Earth is gonna be formed.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

A few humans may call for sanctions, but then all the Asari have to do is play the Cerberus card. Cerberus: a pro-human terrorist organization that nearly cost everyone the war. Cerberus whom Councilor Udina (the head of the Systems Alliance government - yes he was because the rest had been killed in the initial attack) used to try and take over the Citadel in a coup during the reaper invasion. After all if Cerberus (a human group) had not showed up and stolen the VI from the archives, Shepard would have been able to recover it, right?

 

I think enough blood was spilled to go around. It is time to heal and rebuild.

 

According to Patrick Weekes, the named individuals on the Citadel survived.

[Vortex13]

A few humans may call for sanctions, but then all the Asari have to do is play the Cerberus card. Cerberus: a pro-human terrorist organization that nearly cost everyone the war. Cerberus whom Councilor Udina (the head of the Systems Alliance government - yes he was because the rest had been killed in the initial attack) used to try and take over the Citadel in a coup during the reaper invasion. After all if Cerberus (a human group) had not showed up and stolen the VI from the archives, Shepard would have been able to recover it, right?

 

I think enough blood was spilled to go around. It is time to heal and rebuild.

 

According to Patrick Weekes, the named individuals on the Citadel survived.

 

 

This.

[Vortex13]

Keep in mind that the civilian population on the Citadel is dead no matter what the ending, that includes all those volus bankers, businessmen and ambassadors. And it'll take some time to reconnect with volus space after ME3 too. How many ships each species brought to the battle of Earth HAS to figure into how the government on Citadel above Earth is gonna be formed.

 

 

 

I don't really care for how the Citadel remains over Earth in the epilogue slides personally, it makes it seem like the unified galaxy has been replaced with a human run one. Obviously that is not the case, but one can't deny the advantage this gives humanity over the rest of the galaxy. The Citadel's original position in the Serpent Nebula was far more a neutral ground than in orbit over Earth, and the whole scenario plays out immensly in humanity's favor; we are the first ones to have our homeworld liberated and rebuilt, the first ones, to reestablish the Mass Relays, AND we get to keep the Citadel too as well as becoming the absolute center of galactic government.

 

 

 

I think that once everything has been stabilized after the war, and the rebuilding process is underway, that the races of the galaxy should move the Citadel back to the Serpent Nebula; the Reapers moved it, so it can obviously travel along the Relay network. It would help signify that the victory over the Reapers was a united effort, as it is right now it feels like humans get to have their cake and eat it too.  

[Pasquale1234]

^^ It seems to me like having the Citadel in orbit around your homeworld would be a 2-edged sword, not all beneficial.

You'd have a lot more traffic in and around the planet. That might be helpful for rebuilding commerce and the economy, but could also attract a lot of criminal elements.

[themikefest]

A few humans may call for sanctions, but then all the Asari have to do is play the Cerberus card. Cerberus: a pro-human terrorist organization that nearly cost everyone the war. Cerberus whom Councilor Udina (the head of the Systems Alliance government - yes he was because the rest had been killed in the initial attack) used to try and take over the Citadel in a coup during the reaper invasion. After all if Cerberus (a human group) had not showed up and stolen the VI from the archives, Shepard would have been able to recover it, right?

 

I think enough blood was spilled to go around. It is time to heal and rebuild.

 

According to Patrick Weekes, the named individuals on the Citadel survived.

And had the asari pulled their tentacles out of their fifth point of contact and revealed the beacon when the law was first implemented about sharing data about Prothean ruins/artifacts, this cycle might never of been in this mess to begin with

[Vortex13]

^^ It seems to me like having the Citadel in orbit around your homeworld would be a 2-edged sword, not all beneficial.

You'd have a lot more traffic in and around the planet. That might be helpful for rebuilding commerce and the economy, but could also attract a lot of criminal elements.

 

 

Those criminal elements would most likely be curbed by the fact that the homeworld of humanity is literally next door; military presence is sure to be huge around any species' home system.

 

 

And really, increased criminal activities is a menial price to pay for being the head of galactic society.

[Vortex13]

And had the asari pulled their tentacles out of their fifth point of contact and revealed the beacon when the law was first implemented about sharing data about Prothean ruins/artifacts, this cycle might never of been in this mess to begin with

 

 

Irrelevant. The Asari had no way of knowing about the Reapers, nor did they have the Prothean Cipher to activate the beacon and learn about the Crucible. Was it dishonest, disingenuous, and hypocritical to the rest of the galaxy? Absolutely. Would humanity have done the exact same thing in their place? You better believe it.

 

 

By the time Priority: Thessia in ME 3 comes around, the Reapers had already decimated the galaxy. The Asari should have been up front with the beacon at the start of the game it's true, but their 'sin' at that point is no more damning (IMO) than humanity's 'sin' in the form of Cerberus.

[Barquiel]

I always imagined the Citadel is eventually moved back to it's old position. They just have to wait for the relays to be fixed.

[BioWareM0d13]

Had the Asari revealed the Prothean tech in the Temple of Athame it is unlikely it would have helped defeat the Reapers. The V.I. only activates because it detects Javik, or alternatively if Javik isn't present, because Shepard interacted with a Prothean beacon. The Asari were developing tech based on whatever Prothean archives they had, but they were in the dark about both the Reapers and the Crucible plans..because they didn't know about the V.I. Even Kai Leng had to hang back and allow Shepard or Javik to trigger the V.I, and he knew he what he was looking for.

[themikefest]

Irrelevant.

Would you say the same if the beacon was on one of the other homewrold's?
 

The Asari had no way of knowing about the Reapers, nor did they have the Prothean Cipher to activate the beacon and learn about the Crucible. Was it dishonest, disingenuous, and hypocritical to the rest of the galaxy? Absolutely.

Had that beacon been revealed when the law was first implemented, its possible Shepard could've used it while chasing Saren or at least after the plans were found on Mars
 

Would humanity have done the exact same thing in their place? You better believe it.

Proof? You're just making an assumption
 

By the time Priority: Thessia in ME 3 comes around, the Reapers had already decimated the galaxy. The Asari should have been up front with the beacon at the start of the game it's true, but their 'sin' at that point is no more damning (IMO) than humanity's 'sin' in the form of Cerberus.

How many people did Cerberus kill? Hundreds? Maybe thousands? The asari didn't kill anyone, but how many lives would've been saved had that beacon been revealed earlier? Each day that passes, millions, perhaps billions are being killed by the reapers. One day would make a big difference.

 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Illusive Man should have revealed the location of the Thessian Archives if he was a true patriot for humanity and truly out to save the galaxy. It is my opinion that the only reason that he knew about them from the Mars Archives and that Liara missed them was that an ass pull was needed by Mac Walters to give Cerberus the edge there in order to create conflict so that Shepard would fail in that mission. That is all. Conflict is necessary for story.

 

Vendetta itself states that it was not programmed to activate until the Crucible was complete. It tells you this on Cronos. In other words there was no way the Asari would have known of its existence until then. Yet the Mars Archives contained its location.

 

"When you have finished the Crucible you must go to Thessia to find out what to do with it." - in the Crucible instruction manual translated from a Prothean slave language because we know that real Protheans communicated through visions. And this is also fascinating since we previously learned that the reapers locked the relay system. So how were we supposed to get from Mars to Thessia while the reapers were in the galaxy? Oh we were supposed to have found this before the reapers came! Crucible plans + Crucible + Catalyst = ass pulls.

[Vortex13]

Would you say the same if the beacon was on one of the other homewrold's?

 

Yes. With the possible exception of the Hanar, any pragmatic species would undoubtedly have secured the beacon for their own covert use.  

 

Had that beacon been revealed when the law was first implemented, its possible Shepard could've used it while chasing Saren or at least after the plans were found on Mars

 

And if the Prothean beacon was common knowledge, what would have stopped Saren; a well respected Spectre; from accessing the beacon using his credentials and then quietly flying over to Ilos to activate the Conduit? 

 

 

Proof? You're just making an assumption

 

Any species would love to have a clear advantage over the others, but if we are looking for in-game examples, we would only need to see what TIM says about technology that could advance our race. He wanted to control the Reapers to ensure human dominance, if there was an undamaged Prothean beacon on Earth, full of untapped knowledge; enough to get a leg up on the other races of the galaxy for hundreds of years; he would take that in a heartbeat. 

 

 

How many people did Cerberus kill? Hundreds? Maybe thousands? The asari didn't kill anyone, but how many lives would've been saved had that beacon been revealed earlier? Each day that passes, millions, perhaps billions are being killed by the reapers. One day would make a big difference.

 

 

And how much time did the forces of the galaxy waste in trying to deal with Cerberus instead of fighting the Reapers?

 

If Cerberus hadn't have been interfering with Shepard's plan to recruit the Krogan, if Cerberus hadn't been trying to seize control of the Citadel, if Cerberus hadn't have stolen the Vendetta VI, and forced the Alliance to divert a sizable amount of their ships to assault Cronos Station, if TIM hadn't have given the Reapers access to the Citadel a whole lot more lives could have been saved.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yes. With the possible exception of the Hanar, any pragmatic species would undoubtedly have secured the beacon for their own covert use.  

 

 

And if the Prothean beacon was common knowledge, what would have stopped Saren; a well respected Spectre; from accessing the beacon using his credentials and then quietly flying over to Ilos to activate the Conduit? 

 

 

 

Any species would love to have a clear advantage over the others, but if we are looking for in-game examples, we would only need to see what TIM says about technology that could advance our race. He wanted to control the Reapers to ensure human dominance, if there was an undamaged Prothean beacon on Earth, full of untapped knowledge; enough to get a leg up on the other races of the galaxy for hundreds of years; he would take that in a heartbeat. 

 

 

 

 

 

And how much time did the forces of the galaxy waste in trying to deal with Cerberus instead of fighting the Reapers?

 

If Cerberus hadn't have been interfering with Shepard's plan to recruit the Krogan, if Cerberus hadn't been trying to seize control of the Citadel, if Cerberus hadn't have stolen the Vendetta VI, and forced the Alliance to divert a sizable amount of their ships to assault Cronos Station, if TIM hadn't have given the Reapers access to the Citadel a whole lot more lives could have been saved.

 

In theory, the Allied forces could have brought the Crucible directly to the Serpent Nebula and fired it there, had TIM not stolen the VI. Billions of lives could have been saved.

[fhs33721]

According to Patrick Weekes, the named individuals on the Citadel survived.

 

Yep, C-sec was all like:

C-sec officier: "Come on people, the Reapers are coming we need to evacuate all the persons whose name is known by Commander Shepard."

radom unnamed civilian: "What? That's completely arbitrary."

C-sec officier: "Hey I don't make the rules. I just follow them. So does Commander Shepard know you by name?"

radom unnamed civilian:"What? No, I never met this Shepard Person."

C-sec officier: "Well tough luck for you then. Get out of my evacuation zone. A yes, Miss Kelly Chambers you are on the list please proceed to the evacation shuttle. Coucilor Tevos, the other councilors are already waiting at the VIP evacuation shuttle. Barla Von, please continue to evacuation-shuttle 3 right after miss Chambers please. Septimus Oraka sir, a pleasure to meet you. Hey who are you girl, what do you think you are doing here? Does Commander Shepard even know your name?"

Mel: "Oh, yeah, my name is Mel. S/he might have heared it when she walked past me and a few friends having a conversation in Purgatory."

C-sec officier: "Welll I guess that kind of does count. Proceed to shuttle 4 please."