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[Pasquale1234]

The original Rachni queen. The clone is actually very antagonistic and attacks the Crucible engineers if you free it.
 
My position on the clone is that since it was frankenstein-ed together by the Reapers that it was rather insane; but even then, the clone was possessed of its own (schizophrenic) will. You would think that the Reapers would have removed any form of rebellious tendencies from the clone, but that is obviously not the case, which points back to the Rachni being innately resistant to indoctrination.

Perhaps resistant, but not completely impervious?

I'd think there would be a great danger in a Rachni queen becoming indoctrinated, as she would also pass that sour yellow note along to her offspring.

[themikefest]

Ah, but they did reveal it, to the only ones who could access and understand it, and at exactly the time it was ready to activate. They protected it for millenia, and made it accessible just as their Prothean visitors of long ago had instructed them to do.

Not according to Javik. He mentions to Liara they kept it for power and influence. Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my people for their own gain.
https://youtu.be/Gta4BZTUlt4?t=8m14s

 

The other species will hail them as the heroes of the cycle.

If that's what you want to believe, go ahead.

 

Yes, EDI is a great source of info, but she neglected to mention the grandfather clause.

I doubt that will work against the other species
 

[Vortex13]

Perhaps resistant, but not completely impervious?

I'd think there would be a great danger in a Rachni queen becoming indoctrinated, as she would also pass that sour yellow note along to her offspring.

 

 

That goes without saying, the Rachni's strength is also their weakness. Indoctrination has always been a very nebulous element to the setting, maybe they can be indoctrinated, but it would take way more pressure to 'break' a Queen than any of the other species. And since indoctrination has been shown to be less effective against strong willed individuals such as Shepard, Saren, and the Illusive Man, it is quite possible that a strong willed Queen would be immune to indoctrination or at least so highly resistant that killing her or locking her up would be easier than trying to mind control her.

[Pasquale1234]

Not according to Javik. He mentions to Liara they kept it for power and influence. Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my people for their own gain.

Right. Because Javik has complete knowledge of the inner workings and motives of everyone he's never met.
 

If that's what you want to believe, go ahead.

The crux of my point to you.

[themikefest]

Right. Because Javik has complete knowledge of the inner workings and motives of everyone he's never met.

Yep. Even Shepard mentions had the asari shared the information we might not be in this mess.

[Pasquale1234]

Yep. Even Shepard mentions had the asari shared the information we might not be in this mess.

In response to Javik's accusations, and before finding out what was actually there. Of course, Shepard often says stuff...

But this thread has been derailed more than enough. Enjoy tearing apart an entire culture in your head.

[Livi14]

They may of dumped it, but still their so-called athame  is a Prothean. Didn't Liara say this would change what they know about themselves? They have to rewrite their history.
 
So you're saying the other species won't question them about not revealing that artifact? You expect the asari would just sit back and not question why their own government didn't reveal that artifact? I'm sure some asari would want answers as to why their own government failed to reveal that artifact and I wouldn't be surprised if they did riot. The asari are already in trouble for withholding that artifact. The robot even told Liara that penalties for withholding anything having to do with the Portheans is among the harshest punishments in  the galaxy

As I have said, baseless assumptions. What EDI says is that Benezia didn't tell Liara about the beacon because the people who knew about it might be punished, not the species as a whole. Of course, it's possible that some thessian matriarchs will be punished. But you're the only one here who wants to punish the asari as a whole, something that isn't even implied in the game. Quite on the contrary, the epilogue slides show asari working together with the other council races.

Only a tiny clique of matriarchs on Thessia knew about the beacon, and it's stated many times that the asari don't really have a centralized government with a well-defined hierarchy. So why exactly would the asari be rioting over something that wouldn't have helped their worlds if revealed earlier (as evidenced by Vendetta's dialogue after defeating Kai Leng), and was decided by some matriarchs who are now probably dead anyway? By that logic you can also say humans would start riots over Udina's coup, or because some politicians, businessmen and alliance admirals secretly supported Cerberus in the past. Not to mention that you're assuming the episode becomes common knowledge.

[von uber]

Yep. Even Shepard mentions had the asari shared the information we might not be in this mess.

Apart from the fact that vendetta would not reveal itself until the crucible was nearing completion.
So it's an entirely moot point whether the asari revealed it earlier anyway.

Anyway, the asari not attending the summit is a really bad bit of writing. Goes against there entire culture as they are portrayed.
But then this is mass effect, by the time we hit the third game who cares about the lore and back story as it's been built up.

[BioWareM0d13]

Anyway, the asari not attending the summit is a really bad bit of writing. Goes against there entire culture as they are portrayed.
But then this is mass effect, by the time we hit the third game who cares about the lore and back story as it's been built up.

 

I agree that it was an odd choice considering the lore on the Asari. Not that they couldn't have the Asari refuse to attend, just that if they were going to go that route it needed more exposition. 

 

I think it could have worked had they explained it as the Salarian dalatrass strong-arming the Asari over the Krogan, similar to the attempt she made with Shepard. The Dalatrass for example could have promised ships to help defend Thessia & Asari space if they didn't attend, but refusing any aid if they did. 

[themikefest]

But this thread has been derailed more than enough. Enjoy tearing apart an entire culture in your head.

Enjoy believing they did nothing wrong in your head
 

Quite on the contrary, the epilogue slides show asari working together with the other council races.

Isn't that just in the synthesis ending? What about control and destroy?
 

Only a tiny clique of matriarchs on Thessia knew about the beacon, as decided by some matriarchs who are now probably dead anyway?

Is there anything to say only a few knew of the artifact? If there were only a few, they could still be alive
 

By that logic you can also say humans would start riots over Udina's coup, or because some politicians, businessmen and alliance admirals secretly supported Cerberus in the past.

I'm sure humans would protest and riot
 

Not to mention that you're assuming the episode becomes common knowledge.

My femshep will have no problem letting the leaders of the other species know as well as the rest of the galaxy
 
 

Apart from the fact that vendetta would not reveal itself until the crucible was nearing completion.

If Cerberus was able hack Vendetta for the information, I'm sure the Alliance or someone else could hack Vendetta as well
 

So it's an entirely moot point whether the asari revealed it earlier anyway.

The moment they decided not to reveal that artifact, it took away that opportunity to know if it would help at an earlier time

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bottom line is that every party made mistakes.

 

Systems Alliance: Udina

Turians: "Ah yes, Reapers."

Salarians: "There is no proof that Sovereign was anything other than Geth technology"

Asari: The prothean archive.

Humans: Cerberus

Turians: We won't do anything unless you get us the Krogan.

Krogans: We won't do anything unless you cure the genophage

Salarians: We won't do anything if you cure the genophage

 

I think there'll have to be a general amnesty granted after the war. The courts would be backed up for centuries. You'll be putting dead people on trial.

[Pasquale1234]

Enjoy believing they did nothing wrong in your head

I don't. I am not, however, inclined to condemn an entire species (and shoot them all on sight) for what may have been questionable judgement on the part of a few of them.

[themikefest]

I don't. I am not, however, inclined to condemn an entire species (and shoot them all on sight) for what may have been questionable judgement on the part of a few of them.

Is there anything to support that only a few of them knew?

[von uber]

Is there anything to support that only a few of them knew?

 

Tevos when she speaks to Shep about it.

[themikefest]

Tevos when she speaks to Shep about it.

I've never had her alive in ME3

[God]

It's not the whole species. Tevos confirms that only a small cadre of high ranking officials within the Asari government know about the beacon. Granted, it's still the same effect.

 

I don't think it means the average Asari needs to suffer post-war. That said, I think it will be a nice slap in their collective identity and it will bring them down several pegs. As is mentioned several times, it's good to see the Asari get a reminder that they aren't so above it all and that they're not as perfect as they think they are.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's not the whole species. Tevos confirms that only a small cadre of high ranking officials within the Asari government know about the beacon. Granted, it's still the same effect.

 

I don't think it means the average Asari needs to suffer post-war. That said, I think it will be a nice slap in their collective identity and it will bring them down several pegs. As is mentioned several times, it's good to see the Asari get a reminder that they aren't so above it all and that they're not as perfect as they think they are.

 

I think the invasion of their home world accomplished this, don't you? The reapers were slaughtering them by the millions.

 

How jealous we are of a civilization that has low crime, low unemployment, very low poverty, high culture, high technology, and an e-democracy that we feel they need to be taken down a peg or two rather than strive for that ourselves.

[God]

I think the invasion of their home world accomplished this, don't you? The reapers were slaughtering them by the millions.

 

How jealous we are of a civilization that has low crime, low unemployment, very low poverty, high culture, high technology, and an e-democracy that we feel they need to be taken down a peg or two rather than strive for that ourselves.

 

It's not jealousy. It's satisfaction. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Being broken. 

 

And besides, I'm not the one bringing them down. They did it to themselves. The Reapers just facilitated the issue. If it was jealousy, I'd have done something myself.

 

Meanwhile, we get to be the next big thing. Something I'm looking forward to being. It's good to be the best.

 

Plus, e-democracies are a joke. Hell, democracy is a joke. We need to go back to authoritarian monarchy or oligarchy.

[BioWareM0d13]

Assuming we ever get a direct sequel to the Shepard trilogy (a big if) it might be interesting to get a news stories about a few Matriarchs being on trial in Armali or Serrice over the fallout of the Athame temple cache.

 

On the other hand the human Councilor (Udina) turning out to be a traitor should get some follow up in the game. Udina is dead and gone so no trial of course, but it should be a scandal that has repercussions in the post war. Aliens that already had an axe to grind with humanity should be pointing to it as an example that humans can't be trusted. Maybe have it pop up in conversation with NPC or two that is being uncooperative with the protagonist.

 

That is of course also assuming that a sequel would be set in the immediate aftermath of the Reaper War, and not 5,000 years later when all this stuff is ancient history.

[KaiserShep]

It's not the whole species. Tevos confirms that only a small cadre of high ranking officials within the Asari government know about the beacon. Granted, it's still the same effect.

 

I don't think it means the average Asari needs to suffer post-war. That said, I think it will be a nice slap in their collective identity and it will bring them down several pegs. As is mentioned several times, it's good to see the Asari get a reminder that they aren't so above it all and that they're not as perfect as they think they are.

 

I can't help but feel that despite the way the games try to play this up, the salarians end up looking like the more arrogant lot. They uplift a violent race, and then proceed to look into uplifting another violent race. They toy with things prematurely and get into a fecal nova that spreads to the rest of galactic civilization, and I guess people overlook it because they have big frog eyes and sound funny.

 

The asari's biggest crime in the long run is that a lot of them are just snooty about it, meanwhile they have the gentle elcor under their uplifting belt.

[fhs33721]

I can't help but feel that despite the way the games try to play this up, the salarians end up looking like the more arrogant lot. They uplift a violent race, and then proceed to look into uplifting another violent race. They toy with things prematurely and get into a fecal nova that spreads to the rest of galactic civilization, and I guess people overlook it because they have big frog eyes and sound funny.

 

The asari's biggest crime in the long run is that a lot of them are just snooty about it, meanwhile they have the gentle elcor under their uplifting belt.

The salarians must seriously have the best PR-department in the entire universe considering that they:

1)opened a relay to rachni-space which resulted in the Rachni wars which were a almost apocalyptic event for the council-space races.

2)Uplifted the Krogan which resluted in the Krogan rebellion another aweful war that cost countless lives for the other races.

3)Are currently d*cking arounf with the Yagh who are, if the Shadow Broker DLC is any indication, superior in strength and intelligence to the salarians. Geez I wonder what could possibly go wrong with this

Yet somehow, Krogans aside, nobody seems to have any overly negative feelings for the Salarians at all. Meanwhile the Quarians create the Geth, who turn out to be a problem that pretty much only affected the Quarians themsleves (before ME1) yet the whole galaxy treats the Quarians badly for it.

[ZipZap2000]

The salarians must seriously have the best PR-department in the entire universe considering that they:

1)opened a relay to rachni-space which resulted in the Rachni wars which were a almost apocalyptic event for the council-space races.

2)Uplifted the Krogan which resluted in the Krogan rebellion another aweful war that cost countless lives for the other races.

3)Are currently d*cking arounf with the Yagh who are, if the Shadow Broker DLC is any indication, superior in strength and intelligence to the salarians. Geez I wonder what could possibly go wrong with this

Yet somehow, Krogans aside, nobody seems to have any overly negative feelings for the Salarians at all. Meanwhile the Quarians create the Geth, who turn out to be a problem that pretty much only affected the Quarians themsleves (before ME1) yet the whole galaxy treats the Quarians badly for it.

 

The whole 'forced abortions for all' thing acts as a great deterrent imo. Who wants to mess with people who have those kinds of weapons just lying around like it's nothing. 

[Massa FX]

Sequel?

 

I'm hoping the council expands to include all races advanced enough to have been targeted by the Reapers. Equal representation. Equal footing. Equal perks/benefits.

 

No more Asari dominated anything.

[Pasquale1234]

I would expect there will be some major technological advancements, depending on which ending was selected.

In destroy, you'd have a lot of reaper carcasses laying around, ready to be researched.

In control, the Shepalyst might be able to share tech.

Synthesis implies an evolutionary leap, and the ability to share data and knowledge in a whole new way.