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[Reedirector]

Firstly - apologies if this has already been discussed. I couldn't find a previous thread but it's quite a complex issue and finding keywords was hard.

 

In DA:I, a big thing is made about the fact that Varric knew where Hawke was all along and didn't tell Cassandra. Obviously, from DA:2 we know Leliana and Cassandra are looking for The Warden and Hawke because they believed they might lead The Inquisition. Leliana inquires after The Warden (obviously) and Cassandra goes after Hawke, can't find him, then some stuff happens with green magic and the Divine dies or whatever.

 

However, if Leliana romanced The Warden, then one of the first things she tells The Inquisitor is that she knows where The Warden is. 

 

Excuse me? 

 

Not only that, but she knows where The Warden is so well that she can locate him and get a message to/from them.

 

That might have been something you should have told ol' Pentaghast, if you ask me, Lels. But while Cass and Varric get into a fight about it, Leliana gets off scot-free.

 

Is this just an oversight by Bioware? is it done on purpose to show a hypocritical side of Cassandra's character that she blames Varric but not Leliana? Is there an explanation I missed?

 

Your insight would be lovely 

[TheKomandorShepard]

She didn't exactly knew where the warden is only how to pass them message.

 

As for getting away with it she does that a lot in dai because of her writers pet and mary sue status.

[wright1978]

Yeah think it is an oversight. Pity that cassandra dialogue couldn't reflect anger at both for withholding information.

[AlexiaRevan]

Or Maybe..the warden made her Promise not to tell anyone...and since that come first..she has to Honor such a Promise no matter what . 

[TheChosenOne]

Yea but that's IF leliana romaced the Warden. If you romaced Morrigan ( like I did ) she knows where the Warden. What happenes if the Warden doesn't romace anyone? Then does WardenAlistair/Stroud/loghain gets a message to him/her?

[Eliastion]

I'm not sure of actual dialogue, but it likely can be easily explained: Leliana did some searching around but didn't have the time to actually get to the Warden in time. Contacting him/her is, after all, a wartable mission which implies involving noticeable Inquisition's resources just to locate the guy/girl and exchange letters - perhaps she just didn't have enough time to do it when it really counted.

Varric, on the other hand, could just contact Hawke all along if he wanted to. Just like that, no extra effort required.

 

Still, as I said, I don't know what Leliana says on the matter, perhaps it makes my explanation impossible

[TheKomandorShepard]

From what Cassandra says she thinks that HoF have vanished and it was connected to the hawke so pretty much leliana didn't say her about them and that she could contact with them.

[JosieRevisited]

Don't wardens have dead drop areas? I remember a mission in DAII where you can drop off some warden papers in some random trash can or whatever. Leliana would be easy to get a message to. Her reply would be left in the dead drop. 

[Darth Spike]

Actually guys if you play the ending to DA2 again all that Leiliana just says that 'the warden' wasn't in their hiding spot. So she wasn't technically telling a lie. She also could have found the warden again after the end of DA2. You guys also forgot that the time gap between DA2 and DA I is at least a year and a half. Then again you wouldn't know that unless you read the books. The book Asunder happens at least a year after DA2 which it mentions. The lord Seeker goes missing at the end of it and DA I says he went missing at least 3 months before the game begins.

 

So based off of that Leiliana could have lost track of 'the warden' After DA2 and found them again at a later time. The closing scene in DA 2 is actually a jump to a year after the final battle but once again its still months before DA I happens.

 

 

The third option is that she didn't know what happened to 'the warden' but she could have still had agents looking them the whole time. And one of them could have found or got in contact with 'the warden' shortly before or after the whole conclave fiasco.

[TheKomandorShepard]

In da 2 epilogue it is stated that warden is gone and no one can find him and on that leliana says that it isn't coincidence that both have vanished.Time between da 2 epilogue and conclave was short enough to be pretty much travel from kirkwall to ferelden and still they didn't pull that in time so that she suddenly found the warden durng short peroid of time when she was occupied with travel when the warden was already beyond thedas is pretty much at best unlikely not to mention she pretty much knew about warden mission. 
  

And that she contacted with HoF while working for inquisition is also unlikely considering that she had no info from her/him.

[Darth Spike]

You do realize the events of the three comics Silent grove, those who speak, and until we sleep actually happened between DA2's epilogue and DA I right? Cassandra left Kirkwall without Varric if you watch the clip. So she probably went back to the divine and told her Varric's account and the divine sent her back out to find Varric so she could hear it for herself (and the rest of the conclave to help stop the fighting). 

 

 

None of this is confirmed its just what i'm saying could have happened. However check the timeline for yourself, its at least a five month gap between DA2's epilogue and DA I starting. The mage templar war was just starting at DA2's epilogue which was in year 9:37 of the Dragon. DA I dosn't start until year 9:38-39 of the Dragon. That at least a whole year.

 

As to the contact with HoF I already answered that in my other post. she could have easily lost track of him before DA I but found them and/or got a letter from them explaining where they went. Cassandra also tells the Inquisitor that Leiliana was against making HoF the leader of the Inquisition, but the Divine thought it was a good idea.

 

So even if Leiliana did lie to Cassandra there she had her reasons which Casandra respects.

[dsl08002]

It was an oversight from bioware.

They never really thought through HoF involvment in DAI.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You do realize the events of the three comics Silent grove, those who speak, and until we sleep actually happened between DA2's epilogue and DA I right? Cassandra left Kirkwall without Varric if you watch the clip. So she probably went back to the divine and told her Varric's account and the divine sent her back out to find Varric so she could hear it for herself (and the rest of the conclave to help stop the fighting). 

 

 

None of this is confirmed its just what i'm saying could have happened. However check the timeline for yourself, its at least a five month gap between DA2's epilogue and DA I starting. The mage templar war was just starting at DA2's epilogue which was in year 9:37 of the Dragon. DA I dosn't start until year 9:38-39 of the Dragon. That at least a whole year.

 

As to the contact with HoF I already answered that in my other post. she could have easily lost track of him before DA I but found them and/or got a letter from them explaining where they went. Cassandra also tells the Inquisitor that Leiliana was against making HoF the leader of the Inquisition, but the Divine thought it was a good idea.

 

So even if Leiliana did lie to Cassandra there she had her reasons which Casandra respects.

Da 2 epilogue was not 9:37 but 9:40 9:37 was third act and anders blowing up chantry not to mention i doubt that cassandra went for varric twice .

 

I never heard from Cassandra that leliana was against hero of ferelden any link to video or something?

 

eee varric did the same... so well nope.

[Darth Spike]

I'm just done talking to you now. You do nothing but contradict anything i say and you basically troll anyone who has a different opinion then yours. every point you said to prove me wrong dosn't work. For the record Varric said in the epilogue that the seekers were tarting to pull away from the chantry which happened before the mage templar war.

 

 

Leiliana is the one who tells you she was against HoF leading the Inquisition if you act like a friend to her and you don't make her hardened. And Cassandra says that she dosn't always like her job as the divines left hand but she does it anyway. The DA2 epilogue took place before the events in the book Asunder because its stated that the divine had already send agents to Kirkwall to find out what happened. The lord Seeker even insults her by saying he dosn't believe the report her agents brought back with them.

 

 

The seeker split away from the chantry at the end of the book and thats when the mage templar wars starts.

 

 

But the point is moot, i'm just done taking to you. Believe what you want i don't care. I'm not going to argue with a 12 year old about the facts of DA.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm just done talking to you now. You do nothing but contradict anything i say and you basically troll anyone who has a different opinion then yours. every point you said to prove me wrong dosn't work. For the record Varric said in the epilogue that the seekers were tarting to pull away from the chantry which happened before the mage templar war.

 

 

Leiliana is the one who tells you she was against HoF leading the Inquisition if you act like a friend to her and you don't make her hardened. And Cassandra says that she dosn't always like her job as the divines left hand but she does it anyway. The DA2 epilogue took place before the events in the book Asunder because its stated that the divine had already send agents to Kirkwall to find out what happened. The lord Seeker even insults her by saying he dosn't believe the report her agents brought back with them.

 

 

The seeker split away from the chantry at the end of the book and thats when the mage templar wars starts.

 

 

But the point is moot, i'm just done taking to you. Believe what you want i don't care. I'm not going to argue with a 12 year old about the facts of DA.

Excuse me what you are crying about i contradict you because you are simple wrong dragon age epilogue was in 9:40 and it is even in timline on dragon age site not mention that varric tells us that templars and seekers left chantry to hunt down mages and circles already were disbaned what means interrogation was after asunder.

 

I did exactly that and she never told me that she was against it... No it didn't by very simple fact that circles were disbaned and templars and seekers left chantry by the time of epilogue.

[Caddius]

http://dragonage.wik...e_(time_period)

9:37: The Kirkwall Rebellion. Fiona elected Grand Enchanter, and the College of Enchanters rejects the motion to dissolve the Circle thanks to Wynne. Morrigan becomes Celene's Arcane Advisor.

9:38: The Chantry dissolves the College. The comic book adventures with Alistair, Isabela, and Varric take place.

9:39: Unrest in Orlais spread by Grand Duke Gaspard.

9:40: The Masked Empire. Asunder. The Circle of Dairsmuid is annulled.The Nevarran Accord is broken by Lord Seeker Lambert. Allegiances among Seekers and Templars are split. The College of Enchanters votes to separate. The Mage-Templar War begins. Cassandra Pentaghast and Leliana set out to restore the Inquisition to fix the mess. They do not make contact with the Warden. They search for Hawke, interrogating Varric. They decide to bring Varric to Justinia in person.

9:41: Inquisition. Last Flight.

If I remember correctly, there's snow falling in the epilogue scene of Dragon Age II. So it was likely the end of the year, and a month or two before Cassandra and Varric arrived at Haven.

[Darth Spike]

Weel then im sorry to Caddius and everyone else (not Komander, still acting like a child) who was upset by the pointless argument we just had. I finally found the page with the actual date for the epilogue. I have to say i never found that until the link was posted and i searched for hours. It wouldn't be the first time the site was changed on us.

 

It also said for the longest time that Alistair was one of three kids (the others being Cailan and an unnamed half elf) until they changes it to just Alistair and Cailan.

 

Well to try bringing the post back on track: Leliana could have lied or not. It is still possible that she didn't know where the warden was until just before or after the whole conclave fiasco. I doubt she stopped trying to locate the HoF before the conclave. After the conclave, she had a lot to do and forgot about it until she got word from one of her agents. The warden might not have told her where he was going for several different reasons. 

 

Not saying thats what happened. i just saying it could have happened. And she never says she knows exactly where the warden is, she says she knows the warden's general location.  (Isn't that what this post is about? Discussing how Leliana knew the wardens location.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Weel then im sorry to Caddius and everyone else (not Komander, still acting like a child) who was upset by the pointless argument we just had. I finally found the page with the actual date for the epilogue. I have to say i never found that until the link was posted and i searched for hours. It wouldn't be the first time the site was changed on us.

 

It also said for the longest time that Alistair was one of three kids (the others being Cailan and an unnamed half elf) until they changes it to just Alistair and Cailan.

 

Well to try bringing the post back on track: Leliana could have lied or not. It is still possible that she didn't know where the warden was until just before or after the whole conclave fiasco. I doubt she stopped trying to locate the HoF before the conclave. After the conclave, she had a lot to do and forgot about it until she got word from one of her agents. The warden might not have told her where he was going for several different reasons. 

 

Not saying thats what happened. i just saying it could have happened. And she never says she knows exactly where the warden is, she says she knows the warden's general location.  (Isn't that what this post is about? Discussing how Leliana knew the wardens location.)

 Claim that somone acts like a child despite you throwing temper tantrum from nowhere just because i dared to argue with you.

 

She knew as i said general location where warden is and about her/his mission not to mention it is unlikely she found him before breach as it was pretty much travel to haven and that she found them after breach is also out as simple even at the beginning of the game she knew about warden mission.Not to mention she outright says that reason why she didn't went with the warden was her debt to divine.