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[Zetheria Tabris]

Ever since Origins, I've felt that Flemeth was one of the greatest mysteries in Thedas. I wanted to know what/who she really was, and what she wanted. But now we see that it wasn't really about her and what she wanted, it was about Mythal. Don't get me wrong, I think the Mythal storyline is interesting, I just find it disappointing that Flemeth seems more like a servant or a lead up to a big baddie instead of her being the big baddie.

 

To me, Flemeth is no longer that mysterious entity that she once was. Not only because Mythal is a part of her, but because she revealed it so easily to Morrigan and the Inquisitor. Did you guys think that was out of character for her? For two whole games, Flemeth has been known to talk in riddles and cryptic metaphors. Even when The Warden calls her out for wanting to take Morrigan's body, she still speaks cryptically and reveals nothing. Now all of a sudden she's an open book to Morrigan and the Quizzy? Yes, I know that she didn't reveal any plans, and there's more she's keeping to herself, but I'm just used to her kind of trolling everyone with her riddles and letting Morrigan find out things for herself, like how she allowed Morrigan to find out about the body snatching thing. Now she has no problems answering the questions the Quizzy has for her?

 

Also, it seems like Solas is going to take her place as that untouchable mythical entity hat she has been since Origins. Was anyone else disappointed about both of these things? To me, Flemeth's cameo in Inquisition was a disappointment to the character the writers have been building up since day one. She is no longer that cryptic all powerful mystery that she once was. Now she's just Mythal's henchman/partner in crime.

 

Does anyone else feel similarly to this?

[jlb524]

Yes kinda. Though, it would suck if she forever remained totally mysterious. Her 'death' or whatever was lame.

Plus, she never turned into a dragon wtf.

[leaguer of one]

Nope. It's not out of character for her. She knows she's about to die and wants to clear thing out with her daughter. I don't feel disappointed. I feel I'm now  I'm starting to see the forest instead of just the trees now. Also, that the torch is being passed.

 

It really brings her "power is based on perspective" statement she had in DAO to full circle.

[Zetheria Tabris]

Yes kinda. Though, it would suck if she forever remained totally mysterious. Her 'death' or whatever was lame.

Plus, she never turned into a dragon wtf.

 

 

I'm not saying she should be mysterious forever. I just thought it was lame that she told us who she was without us having to work for it. I just thought it was sort of anticlimatic that she's had this huge build up for two games and the result isn't even about her.

 

Do you really think she's dead though? If she really is, what would be the point in the Quizzy/Morrigan becoming her slave?

 

And you're right, she didn't turn into a dragon! That should have been a cool boss battle (and a nice little nod to Origins).

[leaguer of one]

Yes kinda. Though, it would suck if she forever remained totally mysterious. Her 'death' or whatever was lame.

Plus, she never turned into a dragon wtf.

Morrigan does.

[Zetheria Tabris]

Nope. It's not out of character of her. She knows she's about to die and wants to clear thing out with her daughter. I don't feel disappointed. I feel I'm now  I'm starting to see the forest instead of just the trees now. Also, that the torch is being passed.

 

It really brings her "power is based on perspective" statement she had in DAO to full circle.

 

If she knew she was going to die during Morrigan's lifetime, why not just answer her questions growing up? And she didn't really clear things up with Morrigan. She just told her who she really was. She never said "hey, sorry for being a crappy mother," or anything that sounded like she was trying to make amends. If anything she just left Morri with more questions.

 

Morrigan does.

 

Does she become a dragon if the Quizzy drank from the well, though?

[Sifr]

 

Does she become a dragon if the Quizzy drank from the well, though?

 

Nah, Flemeth instead directs you to the shrine and summons a dragon, which you tame by fighting it into submission.

[leaguer of one]

If she knew she was going to die during Morrigan's lifetime, why not just answer her questions growing up? And she didn't really clear things up with Morrigan. She just told her who she really was. She never said "hey, sorry for being a crappy mother," or anything that sounded like she was trying to make amends. If anything she just left Morri with more questions.

 

 

Does she become a dragon if the Quizzy drank from the well, though?

1. Why does Flemeth do any thing. To manipulate things to her own ends what ever they are. She does not need to let Morrigan know everything and Morrigan needs some perspective first before know what Flemeth knows.

 

2. No but it may happen in the future. It's all about Knowledge.

[AlexiaRevan]

I wish she was the Main Vilain instead of corny ...I really wanted a Game centered around her . 

[wiccame]

I'm not saying she should be mysterious forever. I just thought it was lame that she told us who she was without us having to work for it. I just thought it was sort of anticlimatic that she's had this huge build up for two games and the result isn't even about her.

 

Do you really think she's dead though? If she really is, what would be the point in the Quizzy/Morrigan becoming her slave?

 

And you're right, she didn't turn into a dragon! That should have been a cool boss battle (and a nice little nod to Origins).

Flemeth may be dead (or not, remember the amulet in DA2?), but even if she is, Solas now holds the soul of Mythal doesn't he so whoever drank from the well is now his slave, and we had 2 games to guess who she really was I wouldn't say it was lame and we didn't have to work for it, it took 2 almost 3 full games to get that out of her.

 

Oooh edit: I did a no ogb play through and had the inq drink from the well, I am pretty sure Flemeth released her, or said something that made me think she had.

[wildannie]

Flemeth may be dead (or not, remember the amulet in DA2?), but even if she is, Solas now holds the soul of Mythal doesn't he so whoever drank from the well is now his slave, and we had 2 games to guess who she really was I wouldn't say it was lame and we didn't have to work for it, it took 2 almost 3 full games to get that out of her.

 

Oooh edit: I did a no ogb play through and had the inq drink from the well, I am pretty sure Flemeth released her, or said something that made me think she had.

Spoiler

Dev notes stated that Solas took mythal's power but her soul/godhood was to be passed to Morrigan

[Kantr]

Flemeth may be dead (or not, remember the amulet in DA2?), but even if she is, Solas now holds the soul of Mythal doesn't he so whoever drank from the well is now his slave, and we had 2 games to guess who she really was I wouldn't say it was lame and we didn't have to work for it, it took 2 almost 3 full games to get that out of her.

 

Oooh edit: I did a no ogb play through and had the inq drink from the well, I am pretty sure Flemeth released her, or said something that made me think she had.

If he holds the soul of mythal. Who's soul was that she sent into the eluvian? It's not Urthemiels

[wiccame]

If he holds the soul of mythal. Who's soul was that she sent into the eluvian? It's not Urthemiels

Could it have been hers? (Flemeth's)

[Kantr]

Could it have been hers? (Flemeth's)

That begs the question of what was animating her though? If mythal is just a wisp. Or did she recover

[wiccame]

Spoiler

Dev notes stated that Solas took mythal's power but her soul/godhood was to be passed to Morrigan

Ahh did not know that, I thought he was just taking all of her, soul and power.

[wiccame]

That begs the question of what was animating her though? If mythal is just a wisp. Or did she recover

She had control when talking to Solas though, maybe she had enough willpower or whatever for that brief few moments.

[Lethaya]

She could have sent Mythal through the mirror - after all, doesn't an elf in Val Royeaux talk about seeing Mythal in his dreams every night post-ending? Now that her host is gone, she could be reaching out through the Fade again, looking for someone new to repurpose. Although, sadly, this would mean Flemeth is gone, unless you've got other copies of her wandering about in your world states.

 

Although, why couldn't it have been Urthemiel? Has that been answered, then?

 

On the topic at hand, though, I was giddy when dear old Flemeth made her appearance, and not at all disappointed by it. She told you easily because, one, Morrigan is her daughter, who she has apparently been planning to hand her power down to, thus she should know (and perhaps become more willing to the whole idea?), and, if the Quizzy drank for the well, well you're her slave anyway, might as well know about it. She could always compel you not to tell anyone if she really wanted to. She doesn't need to hide at that point. It's no longer particularly convenient.

 

Also, given the last cutscene, it seems as though Solas and Mythal may have been planning something that went awry, yes? So perhaps she admitted everything thinking the world was about to change in a very certain way, thus limiting her time to do so. Or maybe admitting it now would give her better opportunities later. It's hard to figure out her motivations when we still don't know the full story yet. XD

[wildannie]

She had control when talking to Solas though, maybe she had enough willpower or whatever for that brief few moments.

 

She need not have put all her soul through the eluvian (if that is what she was doing) it could be 'just a piece' like in Dragon Age 2.

[JosieRevisited]

I just liked how she somehow kept getting hotter game by game. And I doubt this is the last we will see of 'her'. Morrigan is the new Flemeth. They have to be going somewhere with that. 

 

*shrugs* 

 

Besides, when has BioWare ever let a pesky thing like death ruin a story they wanted to tell? (leliana >.>)

[Zetheria Tabris]

Flemeth may be dead (or not, remember the amulet in DA2?), but even if she is, Solas now holds the soul of Mythal doesn't he so whoever drank from the well is now his slave

 

 

If Morrigan was the one who drank from the well, it would be a missed opportunity to not have her be Flemeth's slave. What connection does she have to Solas? That makes it seem even more anti climatic to me. However, if the Quizzy romanced Solas or was a good friend of his, it could be effective to have to be his slave (from a writing standpoint)

 

 

 we had 2 games to guess who she really was I wouldn't say it was lame and we didn't have to work for it, it took 2 almost 3 full games to get that out of her.

 

Meta-wise we've speculated on Flemeth's identity and motives, but game wise we didn't have to work for it. The Warden, Hawke, or The Quizzy didn't have any quests or missions where they had to investigate Flemeth before finding out the truth about her. It was just handed to the Quizzy on a silver platter. That's why I think it was disappointing and a bit of a cop out.

[BloodKaiden]

I thought the Flemeth Cameo was well done. But I had the OGB in my playthrough so it was very emotional for me. The reveal of the mystery surrounding Flemeth made sense to be done the way it was imo. At least from the story that was currently being told in Inquisition. Plus, I was over the fact of not knowing what the hell was going on with her. I don't see why the Quizzy would have to work for the information on Flemeth considering he/she was just a bystander pretty much to the event going on. The scene was more about Morrigan/Flemeth than Quizzy/Flemeth. I had Morrigan drink from the Well though.  

[In Exile]

Morrigan does.

Which is kind of the point, I think. It's also the same type of dragon Flemeth turns into which is notable.

[leaguer of one]

Which is kind of the point, I think. It's also the same type of dragon Flemeth turns into which is notable.

Yep. Flemeth's passing the torch.... All hail the new Flemeth.

[Carmen_Willow]

I was more than satisfied. Flemeth's body was growing too feeble to sustain the two spirits. Just as Solas erred with whatever he'd done, Flemeth erred in her treatment of Morrigan (which proves that the elven gods are not omniscient) and led to this crisis. We couldn't have an old withered crone growing older and more feeble game after game. The body had to die, but the spirits? Ah, they live on.

 

I actually like the scene without the OGB. It explained more about what was going on and what Flemeth, the woman, really felt. I was satisfied. But I will miss her voice.

 

I am more interested in why the Dread Wolf is  sooo protective of the remaining Old Gods and so down on the Grey Wardens who slaughter archdemons. I have my hypothesis, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[leaguer of one]

I was more than satisfied. Flemeth's body was growing too feeble to sustain the two spirits. Just as Solas erred with whatever he'd done, Flemeth erred in her treatment of Morrigan (which proves that the elven gods are not omniscient) and led to this crisis. We couldn't have an old withered crone growing older and more feeble game after game. The body had to die, but the spirits? Ah, they live on.

 

I actually like the scene without the OGB. It explained more about what was going on and what Flemeth, the woman, really felt. I was satisfied. But I will miss her voice.

 

I am more interested in why the Dread Wolf is  sooo protective of the remaining Old Gods and so down on the Grey Wardens who slaughter archdemons. I have my hypothesis, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Just look how she aged..

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