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[Maxga]

Actual Title: Why did Solas give the orb to Cory?

 

I'm sure it's been discussed already, but I couldn't find that thread. 

 

From what I gather from the ending (which I just saw), Solas/Dread Wolf was too weak to use the orb and gave it to Corypheus. I'm assuming he expected the Magister to unlock it's power.

 

However, why give it to him of all people/creatures? What did he expect to accomplish by giving it to one of the first Darkspawn?

 

I feel like I may be missing something about the Dread Wolf and his intentions. I don't see the connection between Solas and Corypheus. 

 

Are there any insights on the Dread Wolf's plans for the orb from those who know a bit more about the Elven gods?

 

 

[Lumix19]

Well Dorian talks about Ancient Magisters who used to have the orbs so presumably Corypheus is one of the few people who knows how to unlock it and actually has the power to do so. I think Solas thought that Corypheus would die upon unlocking the orb and he could retrieve it.

[Kantr]

Actual Title: Why did Solas give the orb to Cory?

 

I'm sure it's been discussed already, but I couldn't find that thread. 

 

From what I gather from the ending (which I just saw), Solas/Dread Wolf was too weak to use the orb and gave it to Corypheus. I'm assuming he expected the Magister to unlock it's power.

 

However, why give it to him of all people/creatures? What did he expect to accomplish by giving it to one of the first Darkspawn?

 

I feel like I may be missing something about the Dread Wolf and his intentions. I don't see the connection between Solas and Corypheus. 

 

Are there any insights on the Dread Wolf's plans for the orb from those who know a bit more about the Elven gods?

He presumably wanted to go into the fade, as he didn't have the power to do it via an Eluvian.

 

You have to wonder if the orb resets if the person who has the Anchor dies as cory can't get the mark off of you and doesnt seem to have one when he remakes the breach.

[thats1evildude]

This seems to fit the Story section better.

 

I assume that Solas merely underestimated Corypheus' capabilities. He does say something to the effect of "I would never have believed a Tevinter magister could wield an elven artifact," which I do believe has some truth to it.

[Lethaya]

Well, and I've missed discussion about this too, so I'm sure someone will come in and destroy me, but ah well. XD For one, Solas mentioned being too weak after waking up (Uthenera?) to activate it himself, and given that these orbs were each focused on one of the gods and their power, he apparently really needed that power. Why he needed it is up in the air, though.

 

He says a few times (though by the Maker, I can't seem to find the quotes) that whoever activated the orb should have died, how could Cory have survived, etc. What Solas tells us in the game usually comes with at least a grain of truth, so overall I think he gave Cory the orb, realizing that Cory was not only an ancient being of immense power, but that he was one of the few beings alive with any actual knowledge of how these orbs work anyway. He did so out of desperation, thinking (or hoping?) that, while Cory would be powerful enough to activate the orb, the ensuing blast would kill him and Solas would be free to swoop in and take the now-active orb for himself. That, to me, seems like a very Dread Wolf-ish move.

 

I mean, just looking at things like the tale of Fen'Harel and the slow arrow, or even just his banter with Iron Bull in which he sacrifices all of his pieces in their mentally kept chess game to achieve his victory, I think Solas is someone who sees certain sacrifices as necessary and will do what needs to be done to achieve an end goal. This is why he ends up joining the Inquisition, after all.

 

Do I think it was a good plan? Definitely not, but from his dialogue, he is apparently pretty familiar with bad decisions. But do I think it still makes a certain terrible kind of sense? Yeah. xD

 

If you're looking for his actual motivations, sadly we'll have to look to future content for solid answers on that. I hope. D:

[BraveTart]

I'm wondering if anyone can guess how the "Box of Screaming" might factor in. It is a codex entry from the Black Emporium set in Tevinter involving a weird glowing shard, an orb, the box of screaming, a man stranded in the silent plains, a mysterious figure, and references a city called Solas. Especially given the Black Emporium gives us that bit about Fen'Harel stirring from his slumber, that's gotta be major.

[Tinxa]

If Solas is such pals with Flemeth who is a powerful witch why didn't he just give it to her?

[Lethaya]

Flemeth is hardly at her peak of her power, either, I would think. Her vessel is aging and reaching its end, and ultimately Mythal was only ever a wisp of what she originally was anyway. Plus, its quite possible that upon waking up Solas didn't know she was around yet. Maybe coming across her temple and the well made him aware of her presence?

 

I'm wondering if anyone can guess how the "Box of Screaming" might factor in. It is a codex entry from the Black Emporium set in Tevinter involving a weird glowing shard, an orb, the box of screaming, a man stranded in the silent plains, a mysterious figure, and references a city called Solas. Especially given the Black Emporium gives us that bit about Fen'Harel stirring from his slumber, that's gotta be major.

 

Oh Maker, I never made the Black Emporium connection! Ahhhhhhh, this is amazing, thanks for posting it! The stirring bit especially, gah, Bioware, tell me your plans! D:

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Oh for the love the Maker's breeches, did we unleash Solas by messing with that fool box? Nice one Bioware.

[Beomer]

I'm wondering if anyone can guess how the "Box of Screaming" might factor in. It is a codex entry from the Black Emporium set in Tevinter involving a weird glowing shard, an orb, the box of screaming, a man stranded in the silent plains, a mysterious figure, and references a city called Solas. Especially given the Black Emporium gives us that bit about Fen'Harel stirring from his slumber, that's gotta be major.

 

The orb might be a connection but Solas is not an unusual word in the Elven language. We know it mean pride because of the Temple of Pride, and the theory is that our Solas took that name after whatever his big screw up was to remind him of his mistake, of his sin of pride.

[aerisblight]

Shouldnt solas and cory recognize each other on the field then?
During the final fight i wouldve at least expected cory to make a comment towards solas...

[Lethaya]

Depends how the orb was "given." Solas may have not donned his... well "Solas" persona yet, or maybe he just left it in a convenient location for Cory to come across.

 

Although even still, does Cory recognize Varric either? I have a feeling he doesn't really care about those he doesn't respect, and his focus during DA:I was always pretty solidly placed on the Inquisitor. Maybe he did recognize Solas and just assumed the Quizzy knew the elven mage beside them had given him the orb and was assisting Solas in reclaiming it.

 

I'm replying to this thread too often, hehe. XD

[MiyuEmi]

I think he gave it to him to charge it (because he was too weak to do so upon waking).  He knew that any attempt to use the orb by Corypheus would cause the explosion that was caused, but he believed that it would kill Corypheus.  It didn't because Corypheus has pieces of himself everywhere.  The orb was the key to all Eluvians so it needed to be charged, which was why he was so upset it was destroyed.  He couldn't use it to free the other gods.  Hence he took what was left of Mythal's power in order to make himself powerful enough to open the Eluvians without his key.

[Antergaton]

Shouldnt solas and cory recognize each other on the field then?
During the final fight i wouldve at least expected cory to make a comment towards solas...

 

When do they meet other than the final battle, where Coryface is just more annoyed with Inqusititor and may not be noticing the other members of the party, unlike the fade part where the Fear demon mentions different characters fears, Coryface focuses on you.

[m00nsister]

What i dont get: in masked empire briala gets the key to unlock the eluvians (all i wonder? Or are they more like separate systems, like cities subways that arent connected) and claims them for the elves. You should think word got around when elves start some Form Of Guerilla war (AS was hinted she was planning).
Would solas need the orb if he had the phrase to use the eluvians?

[Poledo]

Well Dorian talks about Ancient Magisters who used to have the orbs so presumably Corypheus is one of the few people who knows how to unlock it and actually has the power to do so. I think Solas thought that Corypheus would die upon unlocking the orb and he could retrieve it.

 

Who's to say Solas aka Fen'Harel didn't have a hand in the magisters of tevinter entering the fade in the first place? If so, this would not be the first time he used Fen'Harel's orb.

[fhs33721]

When do they meet other than the final battle, where Coryface is just more annoyed with Inqusititor and may not be noticing the other members of the party, unlike the fade part where the Fear demon mentions different characters fears, Coryface focuses on you.

He does notice your companions. I heard him try to unsucessfully bind Cole to his will and he insulted Sera and said something about cutting her ears of or something along those lines.

[Beomer]

Who's to say Solas aka Fen'Harel didn't have a hand in the magisters of tevinter entering the fade in the first place? If so, this would not be the first time he used Fen'Harel's orb.

 

It is more likely that it was one of the 'evil' Elven gods or the old ones who called the magisters to the golden city. Solas it seems would have no motive to trick anyone to enter the blighted city seeing as he seems a relatively good guy and was most likely asleep.

[Poledo]

It is more likely that it was one of the 'evil' Elven gods or the old ones who called the magisters to the golden city. Solas it seems would have no motive to trick anyone to enter the blighted city seeing as he seems a relatively good guy and was most likely asleep.

 

Perhaps - everything is speculation at this point - but the timing seems about right that he went to sleep after the event occurred. I still believe that all the Gods of different eras are the same gods with different names and different worshippers. Which amuses me because essentially everyone is worshipping the same gods while thinking they are their own and are the true gods/god. BW likes to mirror many things from the real world when it comes to religion. Much like the insinuation of what it takes to be a God - calling into question if God or Gods ever existed but were insttead just people of either great power or of great wisdom and knowledge that were touted as such - if not while they were alive then after their death as legends become scripture.

 

There is speculation about Flemeth/Mythal being Andraste - would that make Solas Shartan? Who then is the maker truly if Adraste was his bride? "Mythal speaks the calling" would seem to fit into that if she was Andraste - The maker caused the blight - Adraste speaks the calling.

 

I don't know.... makes my head hurt. Everytime I examine the whole thing new ideas come to mind!

[BraveTart]

The orb might be a connection but Solas is not an unusual word in the Elven language. We know it mean pride because of the Temple of Pride, and the theory is that our Solas took that name after whatever his big screw up was to remind him of his mistake, of his sin of pride.

 

Still, they could have chosen any other random city in Tevinter. I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to Dragon Age lore. Even if it's not connected to Solas, the glowing shard at least points to Solassan, a place whose true significance still eludes me. I can't help but wonder if the guy writing the journal entry (undated) might have been Sethius before he went to crazy town. He gave up the orb and the shard to survive, then perhaps the "Box of Screaming" kicked off his obsession with Dumat that led him to turn to blood magic. Then he goes on an obsessive quest to find the orb and the shard that he lost, which would explain why the Tevinters set up occularum in the first place.

[Lumix19]

When do they meet other than the final battle, where Coryface is just more annoyed with Inqusititor and may not be noticing the other members of the party, unlike the fade part where the Fear demon mentions different characters fears, Coryface focuses on you.

Corypheus does mention Solas I believe, calling him a ragged mage. Not sure what that means really.

Who's to say Solas aka Fen'Harel didn't have a hand in the magisters of tevinter entering the fade in the first place? If so, this would not be the first time he used Fen'Harel's orb.

Perfectly possible. I had thought that Solas went to sleep before the fall of Arlathan but who knows?

[TK514]

Given everything we know and suspect about Solas, the possibility that he is simply an idiot can not be dismissed.

[Lumix19]

Given everything we know and suspect about Solas, the possibility that he is simply an idiot can not be dismissed.

Not dismissed certainly. But I don't automatically assume that people, even a Darkspawn like Corypheus, can survive something so cataclysmic as the explosion at the Conclave.

[Gervaise]

It is kind of odd that Corypheus doesn't notice Solas if he had met him previously.    He recognised Dorian as being from Tevinter and calls him a traitor.   He says stuff to other companions as well; I just don't always catch all of it but I know he didn't say anything to Solas.     Then again it may be that the Dread Wolf looked different to Cory when he gave him the orb, or may be just spoke to him through the Fade and told him where to find it.

 

Dorian mentions how these Focii were known in ancient Tevtiner and Solas says that they probably learnt it from the elves, so it makes sense that Cory would know how to activate one.    Solas may not necessarily have expected him to use it the way he did.    Unlocking its power seemed to require a blood sacrifice, yet Solas says he doesn't do blood magic, so may be that is why the result was so much greater than he probably wanted.     However, it is likely it will only be made clearer in the next instalment of the story (hopefully).   

[Heyokah]

Solas stated that he was weak after he had awakened...leads me to believe he did not give it willingly.