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[Elhanan]

yeah.
Branding and past glories of Bioware.
 
For me I don't see how BioWare gets rated so highly tbh.
 
I have played SW:KOTOR 1&2, ME Trilogy and now the DA trilogy and The trilogies start well but end terribly.
ME was different because ME2 was the best out of the 3 whereas DA:O is the best out of the 3.
 
BioWare feel like lazy developers to me.
DA:I is just new smoother textures put on top of old character models and old animations.
 
They could have atleast up'd the quality of animations to match the graphics like any other game that is claiming to be "Next Gen" would do.

Not like there was any criticism after DA2, ME3, or SWTOR to spoil such a theory.

However, DAI still set a record launch for Bioware. Feels like the naysayers may be getting lazy to me....
 

[Erstus]

Honestly, I don't argue DAI being named 2014 GOTY. Mostly because 2014 was a terrible and disappointing year for gaming.

Dying Light was boring and generic. Far Cry was literally no different FROM FC3. No risks taken. I could go about dissappointing releases that year.

If DAI released this year I highly doubt it would revive GOTY. Much like the other titles of 2014, DAI was a disappointment

[CronoDragoon]

If DAI released this year I highly doubt it would revive GOTY.

 

Probably not, I agree. But so what? That doesn't mean a whole lot unless someone tries to argue that DA: I is teh best game evar. Which I haven't seen many people do. There's no shame in a good or great game losing to an even better game.

[DSiKn355]

Dark souls 2 was average, but what's wrong with Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros? Personally my GOTY for 2014 was Far Cry 4.

 

 

 

Heavy Rain was one of the most awkwardly animated games ever though, so much attention to detail 70% of the time - but the other 30% is hilariously bad.

 

When compared to a RPG which is story heavy (or supposed to be) and have actual battle tactics (or supposed to have).

The sheer weight of gameplay of an RPG should curbstomp a hack and slash or beat'em up.

 

As for heavy rain I think you are missing the point lol.

 

That is animation of 2010 which could have mouths opening for kisses yet 2014's "Next Gen" DA:I failed to do even that lol.

It's all well and good looking good but if your just gonna fail as soon as you move then what was the point?

 

Well, I could add more reviews, GOTY Awards, sales info, and the like, but am guessing there will never be enough evidence to sway the detractors. However, it should be noted that Forbes reviewers did not love the game as many others, yet still give it credit from a business perspective, as well as a new approach:

http://www.forbes.co...ge-inquisition/

The naysayers may not ever like the game; does not detract that the apparent marketplace and sizeable (if not outright majority) of Players and reviewers have a different opinion.

 

From a business perspective...MONEY = SALES = MARKETING = BUSINESS lol.

Pretty sure it's GOTY award was paid for as it was nominated for it before the game had even been released lol.

All I am saying is admit the faults in the game.

You can love it by all means but admit the faults and give a fair and honest review lol.

 

If you see no faults with trying to grind but receiving NO XP because you are only TWO LEVELS ABOVE the target then cool you like that.

Or a tactical cam that doesn't work due to the scenery getting in the way then no worries, you probably never use the thing.

Or even a storyline which doesn't matter what race you are is it will not change at all and which is only a combined 6 hours long and is treat like an after thought despite being a continuation of the previous stories hence the use of the dragon's keep then fine.

 

Clearly you don't play this game for it's full potential or use all it's features.

That is you.

But as a game if it has these features then they should work and matter otherwise they have failed as they don't really need to be there.

[DSiKn355]

I asked what supports your belief that branding (and the BioWare name) are the only reasons DA: I sold well.

 

Is this a trick question? lol.

 

Seriously?

 

Ok it's this simple....

 

How would a million people know a game is gonna be good or worth buying when they have never played it before?

 

Wouldn't a guess be involved?

An estimate based on previous experiences?

A call based on circulating rumors and gossip?

Expectations based on past games of the series?

 

I have pre-ordered Witcher 3.

 

Does that mean I know Witcher 3 is a great game? Flawless?

 

Hell no.

 

But I have expectations and I am guessing it will be good going from my past experiences of the previous two titles.

 

It's that simple.

[Erstus]

Probably not, I agree. But so what? That doesn't mean a whole lot unless someone tries to argue that DA: I is teh best game evar. Which I haven't seen many people do. There's no shame in a good or great game losing to an even better game.

My comment was more adressed to those who sing high praises about this title being the best because of its GOTY award.

I'm not stating it's a bad game by any stretch. Just that it was a disappointment to me and some others who share my opinions on the DA series and universe.

[Snowy]

no Unique armors like Coles Masterwork Prowler Armor for our Inquisitor :/

[Elhanan]

.... 
 
From a business perspective...MONEY = SALES = MARKETING = BUSINESS lol.
Pretty sure it's GOTY award was paid for as it was nominated for it before the game had even been released lol.
All I am saying is admit the faults in the game.
You can love it by all means but admit the faults and give a fair and honest review lol.
 
If you see no faults with trying to grind but receiving NO XP because you are only TWO LEVELS ABOVE the target then cool you like that.
Or a tactical cam that doesn't work due to the scenery getting in the way then no worries, you probably never use the thing.
Or even a storyline which doesn't matter what race you are is it will not change at all and which is only a combined 6 hours long and is treat like an after thought despite being a continuation of the previous stories hence the use of the dragon's keep then fine.
 
Clearly you don't play this game for it's full potential or use all it's features.
That is you.
But as a game if it has these features then they should work and matter otherwise they have failed as they don't really need to be there.

* Which of the 100+ GOTY awards were purchased? What of the compliments given by those outside the industry?

* Kinda guess that Bioware likes to see high sales; doubt they would last long with only critical praise.

* Never had to grind; neither in DAI or in SWTOR. In fact, I often have a grand time playing some material with no XP potential from a RP perspective (eg; solo Flashpoints). Somethimes the rewards are not as obvious as numeral tics on the character.

So much assumption. One may hate it by all means, but admit the positives and give it a fair and honest review.

[DSiKn355]

For me the story was the main reason I got DA:I.

 

I wanted to see my child with Morrigan.

I wanted to see where my original character was as I chose to leave with Morrigan through the Eluvian.

I wanted to see Hawke and Varric and Merryl, Especially Merryl who had lost her whole clan and only had Hawke left so I would have never pictured her leaving his side.

I wanted to see Bethany as a Grey Warden.

I wanted to find out more about Cassandra after a brief glimpse of her in DA2 and her movie "Dawn of the Seeker."

I wanted to meet Alistair, Sten and Oghren again.

 

There was so much I personally wanted from the story which I never got which let down the main selling point for me.

And then there is the flaws in the gameplay with further let the game down for me.

[DSiKn355]

* Which of the 100+ GOTY awards were purchased? What of the compliments given by those outside the industry?

* Kinda guess that Bioware likes to see high sales; doubt they would last long with only critical praise.

* Never had to grind; neither in DAI or in SWTOR. In fact, I often have a grand time playing some material with no XP potential from a RP perspective (eg; solo Flashpoints). Somethimes the rewards are not as obvious as numeral tics on the character.

So much assumption. One may hate it by all means, but admit the positives and give it a fair and honest review.

 

You would first need to list the positives.

 

An award doesn't make the gameplay good lol.

An award doesn't make the animations pleasing.

 

Give me the positives that I can admit lol.

 

EDIT:

 

Here let me help...

 

DA:I has amazing scenery.

Some maps are breathtakingly beautiful.

And the maps are large so alot of effort got put into them.

 

Good job BioWare boys/girls.

 

Now give me that list lol.

[trevelyan_shep]

I have to wonder what game we are playing because the game I have does not deserve a GOTY award. Not with the amount of problems I've had to go through to simply play the game.

[elrofrost]

 

Because of this terrible mechanic I had to solo the dragon in Crestwood with Cassandra after letting everyone die.

It took hours as I was only level 12 but I did it so I know the game is not hard but it is just stupid with stupid mechanics which makes everything long or stretched out when it really doesn't need to be.

 

 

Man, I heard that. I can't tell you how many times I was like, "Viv.. darling, you're a mage. You aren't supposed to run into the jaws of a dragon".

[otis0310]

Pretty sure it's GOTY award was paid for as it was nominated for it before the game had even been released lol.

 

 

I am pretty certain it was bought too.  But if you can prove it was nominated BEFORE release, that would be irrefutable evidence of it.  How can they honestly claim it was the best game of the year before even playing it?  They cannot even form an honest opinion yet, let alone claim it was the best game of the year.

There would be no question it had to be bought if this was the case.

[Rawgrim]

No way was this game the best game of 2014. And it wasn't the worst game either. Far from it.

[TheJediSaint]

Loved the game overall.  But damn can the mouse and keyboard controls be aggravating at times.

[Terodil]

Loved the game overall.  But damn can the mouse and keyboard controls be aggravating at times.

... and yet only half a dozen out of a hundred+ reviews picked up on it. Sloppy review practice or intentional?

[Kosmos Agamemnon]

To those who are annoyed at the complaints levelled against this title..

 

Many of us would like to experience this 'Great Game' if the thing actualy functioned for more than 5 minutes before crashing. I have no problem with the content, but after 6 months of patching we are still no closer t oa stable build of the game. Add in to this the issues related to leveraging the disaster that is Origin for its multiplayer components and dreadfully implemented overlay, and suddenly you loose these components too.

 

So this is what DAI is like on PC. The singleplayer crashes straight to desktop in minutes, and the multiplayer is broken because in order to alleviate poor overlay implementation you have to disable the overlay that multiplayer is predicated on. Those are valid complaints. I did pay for this product, the least that it could do is work. Don't believe me? see for yourself... The video description box on Youtube contains links to the crash points...

 

https://youtu.be/NNx-7PrQ_s0

 

The best part is the audio falling completely out of sync with the game. Yep indeed what an amazing experience.

Modifié par Kosmos Agamemnon, 08 mai 2015 - 08:26 .

[DSiKn355]

Man, I heard that. I can't tell you how many times I was like, "Viv.. darling, you're a mage. You aren't supposed to run into the jaws of a dragon".

 

INIT!? It's ridiculous! Seriously!

 

At least with DA:O and DA2 you had a setting in the AI which had the option "Ranged" for attacking method.

 

 

I am pretty certain it was bought too.  But if you can prove it was nominated BEFORE release, that would be irrefutable evidence of it.  How can they honestly claim it was the best game of the year before even playing it?  They cannot even form an honest opinion yet, let alone claim it was the best game of the year.

There would be no question it had to be bought if this was the case.

 

Nah even when the game came out it was buggy as hell and underserving of a GOTY award.

 

Just watch this:

 

 

Yes those glitches won a GOTY award and got top mark reviews lol.

[wicked cool]

What i dislike about dai requires a sports analogy

In the 80's-90's sports reporter in boston would show a great baseball player and ask the viewers why we couldnt get great players like that to help us win

Today looking at next gen footage of witcher 3 and im asking you why da fans couldn't get shoulder length hair, dynamic weather, beard growth, swimming, dynamic secondary quests, night and day cycles, no loading screens, horse combat

The answer is the same as the red sox-poor decisions, over evaluating systems and talent, money excuses, time, arrogance, not listening even we they said they did

Red sox fans were somewhat the same as da fans-one manager said we didn't win but we had more days in first place and yankees sck was in fashion while the sox werelosing to them
Im a die hard da fan/red sox fan but im routing for witcher 3 to open all da fans eyes

[Elhanan]

To those who are annoyed at the complaints levelled against this title..
 
Many of us would like to experience this 'Great Game' if the thing actualy functioned for more than 5 minutes before crashing. I have no problem with the content, but after 6 months of patching we are still no closer t oa stable build of the game. Add in to this the issues related to leveraging the disaster that is Origin for its multiplayer components and dreadfully implemented overlay, and suddenly you loose these components too.
 
So this is what DAI is like on PC. The singleplayer crashes straight to desktop in minutes, and the multiplayer is broken because in order to alleviate poor overlay implementation you have to disable the overlay that multiplayer is predicated on. Those are valid complaints. I did pay for this product, the least that it could do is work. Don't believe me? see for yourself... The video description box on Youtube contains links to the crash points...
 
https://youtu.be/NNx-7PrQ_s0
 
The best part is the audio falling completely out of sync with the game. Yep indeed what an amazing experience.

Many also had CTD issues with Skyrim at launch; altering the Sound settings of the system seemed to work at the time, though I am uncertain if a hard fix was ever made. Have no idea if this fix would be of aid here or not.

But since this thread includes many moments experienced in the game, stability does not seem to bother all. Have been speculating why lesser GPU cards appear to be more effective than high end cards; perhaps the quality of tested drivers is key here.

The point is that if CTD's, failed audio, etc do not occur for every other PC owner out there, and there have been stability patches made several times for the game. So if this still remains a problem for one system, the issue may be with something else than the game which is garnering the blame.

But many of the 'Terrible' things, moments, mechanics, whatever listed are seemingly so picayune in nature that opposing POV should be expected. Other issues may simply be incorrect and beckon for correction; hence the replies.

[Elhanan]

What i dislike about dai requires a sports analogy

In the 80's-90's sports reporter in boston would show a great baseball player and ask the viewers why we couldnt get great players like that to help us win

Today looking at next gen footage of witcher 3 and im asking you why da fans couldn't get shoulder length hair, dynamic weather, beard growth, swimming, dynamic secondary quests, night and day cycles, no loading screens, horse combat

The answer is the same as the red sox-poor decisions, over evaluating systems and talent, money excuses, time, arrogance, not listening even we they said they did

Red sox fans were somewhat the same as da fans-one manager said we didn't win but we had more days in first place and yankees sck was in fashion while the sox werelosing to them
Im a die hard da fan/red sox fan but im routing for witcher 3 to open all da fans eyes

Wish the TW3 team all the best.

But the 'Sport's fans' should be aware that the KB&M system is still under development, and apparently not being shown publically. While it should be fine, the gameplay vids are using controllers, I believe.

Now while I like the appearance of the 'Star Player', I prefer to select my own Player if available. Since one cannot do that, this other team chooses to makeover the one Player they have available. Great to have, but one still does not have to fix for the other options.

And since the games use differing engines, the comparisons become more like those between baseball and football; varied fields and rules.

[DSiKn355]

@Elhanan

 

Seriously you can't say that game mechanic issues are of little value or trivial when game mechanics are essential to gameplay lol.

 

You can't have a good game with crap game mechanics.

 

And IF a game has issues with sound, automatically turning off, glitches/bugs that prevent completion of certain missions how can it then be honestly given a GOTY award?

 

If the game doesn't work 100% it's not a good game.

If the game has characters (Dorian) that break the game then it's not a good game.

If the game gives no identity to different races within it's storyline yet claims to be a story heavy game (DA:O,DA2,Dragon's Keep, Books, Comics, Movie, etc) then it is not a good game.

 

Like I said before please make a list of the "good things" of DA:I before you try to put down others opinions when they actually provides points as to why something is terrible.

[Elhanan]

@Elhanan
 
Seriously you can't say that game mechanic issues are of little value or trivial when game mechanics are essential to gameplay lol.
 
You can't have a good game with crap game mechanics.
 
And IF a game has issues with sound, automatically turning off, glitches/bugs that prevent completion of certain missions how can it then be honestly given a GOTY award?
 
If the game doesn't work 100% it's not a good game.
If the game has characters (Dorian) that break the game then it's not a good game.
If the game gives no identity to different races within it's storyline yet claims to be a story heavy game (DA:O,DA2,Dragon's Keep, Books, Comics, Movie, etc) then it is not a good game.
 
Like I said before please make a list of the "good things" of DA:I before you try to put down others opinions when they actually provides points as to why something is terrible.

Heard much the same about Skyrim (ie; Sound, CTD's, etc.) Many complaints are valid, and many were addressed over time; some were fixed by mods. It is also GOTY, and one I personally had few issues with at all; Vanilla or modded.

[CronoDragoon]

How would a million people know a game is gonna be good or worth buying when they have never played it before?

 

Those two things are not equivalent. A game might be worth buying that you nevertheless end up hating, because it is well-made and there is a pretty good chance you will like it. This distinction is relevant considering the very early embargo release for reviews of Inquisition, which at the very least informs customers that a lot of other people really liked the game, so maybe someone should give it a shot.

 

I'd be curious to see how sales of Inquisition have done post-launch, considering the amount of fan GOTY awards it has received as well.

[wicked cool]

The engine limitation is comparing apples to apples as they are all building thesegames for nextgen consoles. As far as im aware there were no mouse control issues in witcher 2 based on gopher youtube videos so im confident itwont be as buggy as Dai or as limited as da2
You can say well we can choosewhatever we want so therefore witcher has an unfair advantage for hair but that argument doesnt work for npcs

Another analogy- i buy a car, i can get it in any color, its pretty but for some reason it didnt come with power windows and the ac doesnt always work but they are working on it

Competitor- i can only get the car in white but it is advertised with better gas mileage and has more bells and whistles and customer service is fantastic

Even better theres a third company that has access to the new consoles and the hype for their product will be off the charts (fallout 4) come June. Yes its guns instead of swords but its an rpg

Now if an unpaid modder can make things such as hair work betteretc in dai then thats biowares fault