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[liquiddemon]

So I was reading about the theory of playing as shepards child in ME 4. Obviously this has holes because the many scenarios of romances not resulting in a bloodline child. But if you think back to the end of part three, Liara mind melded with Shepard and in this theory would have been impregnated. Liara later gives birth to shepards child who obviously is Asari so the next story could take place anywhere within her 1000+ year lifespan. I think some would find the character customization limited in this scenario but if it was to be shepards child I believe this would be the only way to account for all scenarios. At the very least could be an entertaining side story in the campaign.

[troyk2027]

Please no.

[wright1978]

A child born out of rape. Please no.

As if there isn't enough distaste for how Liara was thrust upon player in ME3

[Kabooooom]

Worst idea ever. In fact, its so bad that I presume this is a trolling attempt.

[themikefest]

No.

 

There are 3 ways to avoid that scene in London

 

1) Refuse the gift

2) don't talk to her 

3) if Shepard doesn't talk with her at all in the game, except cutscenes, she will not offer her gift if the player decides to talk with her in London

 

There is a 4th option that will prevent her from having Shepard's child, the beam run. If she is taken on the beam run with ems below 1900, she will be vaporized

[Perpetual Nirvana]

No. As themikefest said, you can avoid Liara's gift entirely even when romancing her. That meld isn't even a mating meld anyway. That's only an idea perpetuated by those trying to find another reason to hate Liara and completly goes against the lore.

Honestly I'm hoping they take a cue from DAI and give you a choice of different races. DAI already proved that a story could work with with different races and even have full voice acting. A choice of a human, asari, turian or krogan PC sounds nice to me.

[BioWareM0d13]

No.

 

Mild melds with Asari aren't always sexual or romantic. In fact they usually aren't, as we've seen throughout the series. Both Shiala & Liara's melding with Shepard in ME1 to pass on the Cipher or make sense of the Prothean visions weren't, for example. If Shepard is on the friendship path with Liara the joining of their minds is nothing more than what she described it as: an intimate way for Asari to bid farewell to family or close friends. No babies were made that day.

 

In fact no babies were made on the romance path either, despite some fans' head canon. That quite obviously wasn't the intent of the writers.

 

Besides the fact that the gift scene was not about reproduction, as noted by themikefest it is also entirely optional and can be skipped or refused, and Liara can also die on the beam run. Liara getting pregnant while the Reaper War is still raging also makes zero sense. There is a very good chance they might lose the battle to retake Earth. That's not an enviroment suitable for bringing children into the universe. You got to win first if that child is to have any future.

 

*If* Shepard and Liara ever have children it would only be when the two are involved romantically, and the child could only be conceived at some point after the Reaper War ends. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I thought Liara's mind meld was way, way too romantic-oriented. I didn't think it implied reproduction, but her leaning on Shepard's shoulder like that looked so inappropriate if Shepard is romancing someone else. Originally I accepted her gift, but actually seeing what it was, I reloaded the game and told her "No." I feel bad because if you refuse, Shepard looks like a ******, but at the same time, I feel like it's giving Liara what she deserves for not backing off.

 

I also really don't buy that Bioware was unaware of the weight of that scene. We got fisting jokes in DA2, am I really supposed to believe that nobody on the dev team thought that spiel was suggestive?

[Epyon]

Canonising a single course of events for the ME trilogy, and having an Asari Shepard child is cool with me. But not as protagonist. Just have us run into her being XO for Captain Grunt, the first Krogan Spectre or something.

[BioWareM0d13]

I thought Liara's mind meld was way, way too romantic-oriented. I didn't think it implied reproduction, but her leaning on Shepard's shoulder like that looked so inappropriate if Shepard is romancing someone else.

 

Did you also feel that way about Shepard hugging Tali in an unromanced playthrough?

 

Physical contact between friends doesn't necessarily mean they want to f--k. In Korea it is common to even see friends walking around holding hands. That might seem to odd to Westerners, who are used to only seeing couples do that, but in Korea it doesn't always the same romantic undertones as it does in Europe or nations that were colonized by Europe.

[Linkenski]

There is a fanfiction board that might be more appreciative of this idea.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There were tons of ways Leiliana could have died in DA:O, too, and look what happened.

 

So... future protagonist:

 

 

Grunt got a softball scholarship to Tuchanka University.

[Barquiel]

Beyond headcanon, there is no reason to think Liara is pregnant. According to her writer it is nothing more than Liara's way of saying goodbye...and giving Shepard a few moments peace. Why anyone would think that she's pregnant (...or that the scene is too romantic for a non love interest Shepard), other than because they hate Liara anyway and for some weird reason are looking to make the character look worse to themselves, I have no idea.

[troyk2027]

Did you also feel that way about Shepard hugging Tali in an unromanced playthrough?

 

Physical contact between friends doesn't necessarily mean they want to f--k. In Korea it is common to even see friends walking around holding hands. That might seem to odd to Westerners, who are used to only seeing couples do that, but in Korea it doesn't always the same romantic undertones as it does in Europe or nations that were colonized by Europe.

 

I don't think that's a very good example. While it may be more common for friends to walk around holding hands in Asia, public displays of affection are more frowned upon there, not less. Seeing a girl lay her head on some guy's shoulder the way Liara did would lead most to believe they were romantically involved. 

 

 

Disclaimer: While I've traveled extensively in Asia, I've only ever been to South Korea for 24 hours on a layover.

[BioWareM0d13]

I don't think that's a very good example. While it may be more common for friends to walk around holding hands in Asia, public displays of affection are more frowned upon there, not less. Seeing a girl lay her head on some guy's shoulder the way Liara did would lead most to believe they were romantically involved. 

 

 

Disclaimer: While I've traveled extensively in Asia, I've only ever been to South Korea for 24 hours on a layover.

 

Romantic PDAs are less common, but ones without romantic connotations are not. Holding hands is a PDA, just whether or not that affection is romantic or not depends on the culture. In Western nations it's a romantic gesture, but in Korea it's kind of like two people hugging...it might be romantic and it might not. 

 

Liara putting her head on Shepard's shoulder would be a PDA, it's just that it doesn't romantic connotations. It's the same as two friends hugging, or holding hands as the Koreans do, or kissing each other on the cheek as is common in France.

 

Also while Mass Effect often reduces aliens to exotically colored humans, Liara is from another species and grew up on an alien world and in an alien culture. Realistically her culture should have different cultural norms & taboos and such. A gesture that means one thing in Western culture, may not mean the same thing in hers. And even then laying your head on someone's shoulder does not always have romantic undertones, even in Western culture. It depends on the people & the context. 

[DirtySHISN0]

You mind meld with Liara in ME1 to find out more about the beacon. 

 

 

There is no escape.

[capn233]

Most likely you will play as "The Spectre" and have a special omnitool that can turn mass relays on and off.

[Abelas Forever!]

Liara was my female Shepard's friend and my Shepard definitely don't want a child with her so It's quite horrible thought that Liara would have a baby with her anyway.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Did you also feel that way about Shepard hugging Tali in an unromanced playthrough?

 

Physical contact between friends doesn't necessarily mean they want to f--k. In Korea it is common to even see friends walking around holding hands. That might seem to odd to Westerners, who are used to only seeing couples do that, but in Korea it doesn't always the same romantic undertones as it does in Europe or nations that were colonized by Europe.

 

Of course I didn't. Consoling someone by hugging them is a pretty common thing in the US and Canada. Just greeting a friend by hugging them is relatively common.

 

The issue with what you're saying is that Mass Effect is an American-Canadian cultured game. Korean cultural values are irrelevant in this context. In Western culture, which is the culture that humans (and even aliens) in the Mass Effect universe are primarily ruled by (there are exceptions, like the Port Hanshan officer or Samesh Bhatia), leaning on someone's shoulder and nuzzling their head with yours is a romantic, affectionate gesture. With that in mind, that's the implication that the scene had to me.

 

I try not to apply my cultural values to people in other places--I wouldn't find that activity to be strange if I saw it in another country--but Mass Effect uses Western culture as its standard, so that's how I'm going to view it.

[BioWareM0d13]

 

The issue with what you're saying is that Mass Effect is an American-Canadian cultured game. Korean cultural values are irrelevant in this context. In Western culture, which is the culture that humans (and even aliens) in the Mass Effect universe are primarily ruled by (there are exceptions, like the Port Hanshan officer or Samesh Bhatia), leaning on someone's shoulder and nuzzling their head with yours is a romantic, affectionate gesture. 

 

 

Not always.

 

 

 

If the context were different, two men embracing in that way could also be viewed as having romantic undertones. It isn't a romantic gesture however, because of the context. Gestures can often have multiple meanings.

 

Likewise laying your head on someone's soldier isn't always a romantic gesture in Western culture. You've probably seen children do it with siblings or parents. While men are often less touchy-feely in expressing friendship, I wouldn't be surprised to see two close female friends do it. And Liara is female.

 

In any case it's clear from the scene that it isn't intended as a romantic gesture. It's just an expression of close friendship and nothing more. 

[von uber]

It's just an expression of FORCED! WHY BIO I HATE YOU WRITERS PET close friendship and nothing more. 

 

Fixed that for you there.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Not always.

 

If the context were different, two men embracing in that way could also be viewed as having romantic undertones. It isn't a romantic gesture however, because of the context. Gestures can often have multiple meanings.

 

Likewise laying your head on someone's soldier isn't always a romantic gesture in Western culture. You've probably seen children do it with siblings or parents. While men are often less touchy-feely in expressing friendship, I wouldn't be surprised to see two close female friends do it. And Liara is female.

 

In any case it's clear from the scene that it isn't intended as a romantic gesture. It's just an expression of close friendship and nothing more. 

 

You say "because of the context." The context is exactly why I view it the way that I do.

 

Here's some of the context, if I'm romancing someone else:

 

-Liara and Shepard partake in an intimate activity (this part isn't so bad on its own, but as part of a larger picture, stands out).

-Liara is open about her attraction to Shepard, even if you never romanced her.

-Many of Shepard and Liara's close activities have romantic undertones ("Just friends" on the Citadel, Aethyta thinking you're dating Liara and Shepard confirming this with a Paragon interrupt even if you aren't).

-Shepard and Liara stare off into the cosmic assembly of a universe full of stars during the mind-meld; a romantic scene.

-Physical contact between Shepard and Liara in the scene is extremely close, and the kind of contact is frequently associated with romantic contexts (two people unrelated to each other, in the context of a romantic scene).

-Shepard is already with someone else.

 

It is this combination that makes the scene feel so highly inappropriate if Shepard and Liara aren't an item. A lot of it is oversight on the part of the writers, and some of it (the Aethyta scene in ME3) is just plain glitchy. That doesn't make it any better, at least not to me. I had no problems with the scene until I actually saw it with my own eyes. I figured people were overreacting, but I agreed with the popular sentiment. That was a bad scene and I dislike the fact that I had to ignore Liara altogether or rudely blow her off in order to avoid it.

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

I could deal with a protagonist being liara's daughter. But not if Shepard's the father (or another mother, for femshep?)

[themikefest]

In any case it's clear from the scene that it isn't intended as a romantic gesture. It's just an expression of close friendship and nothing more. 

That's only if Shepard considers her a friend. When I go to Illium to recruit Samara/Thane, I'm forced to have that what-the-crap hug with Liara who my femshep doesn't consider to be a friend. Its too bad that couldn't be an option like after the broker is killed.