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[TheKomandorShepard]

A lunatic Tevinter cult devoted to revanchism and the glory of Old Tevinter made perfect sense considering the setting, and their being chosen as servants of Corypheus also made sense.

We know almost nothing about the Executors. I figure we'll be able to judge whether they came from nowhere or whether they make sense once we find out some solid information.

Is this dangerous empire you're referring to the kossith? We don't know if they're united, just that the Qunari ran away from them. Which, admittedly, does point to them being powerful.

It's also possible that the Executors are kossith. *shrug*

But since the Executors are standing vigil for something horrible to happen, and keep a close eye on Thedas, I imagine that they're tied to one of the plot threads we're already familiar with. Likely the elven gods, possibly red lyrium or the Forgotten Ones or what-have-you.

It rly didn't considering that pretty much it forces could match orlais and inquistion and they appeared from nowhere organisation with such power isn't something that can avoid attention and yet it did for most of series.

 

They came out nowhere there is not even slight mention of that organization in whole series and it have vast power to the point even inqusition can't do much about them and apparently serve some uknown force.

 

Kossith from what i remember is term for race that is called by most qunari but qunari are more followers of the qun or at least devs explained that in more or less such way long time ago.  

[Caddius]

The Warden went to the homeland of the Executors in search of a cure to the Calling and was captured. It will be our job to rescue him.
Lair of the Executors DLC.

As much as I would like that, the Executors seem to be east, judging by their interactions with the Antivan merchants, and the Warden was heading west, wasn't he/she?

And west is mostly ash waste and uncharted territory, so who knows? Though Imshael did mention 'those bits out west' in reference to ancient elven territory.

[Caddius]

It rly didn't considering that pretty much it forces could match orlais and inquistion and they appeared from nowhere organisation with such power isn't something that can avoid attention and yet it did for most of series.

 

They came out nowhere there is not even slight mention of that organization in whole series and it have vast power to the point even inqusition can't do much about them and apparently serve some uknown force.

 

Kossith from what i remember is term for race that is called by most qunari but qunari are more followers of the qun or at least devs explained that in more or less such way long time ago.  

Why would there be a mention of them? All previous games focused on the south. Fenris was our main source for firsthand Tevinter knowledge. And secretive cults have a tendency to be secretive.

For an empire that has lost the world as its empire, and suffers continuing degradation at the hands of the Qunari and has to deal with Orlais claiming to be the premier world power, of course there would be Tevinter hardliners that want a return to the glory days. And the Venatori explicitly do not have the forces to match Orlais, or the Inquisition post-Skyhold. They're a cult growing in number, but all of their plans, save Haven, revolve around the use of magical might and intrigue.

Time travel and manipulation to subvert the mages. Red lyrium to turn the Templars, because they need more manpower and anti-mage powers. Assassination and conspiracy to send Orlais into chaos, followed by an invasion of a demon army that they can only get by subverting the Wardens. And the force they serve is only unknown for a brief time, we're well familiar with Corypheus thanks to him featuring in Origins' opening scene anonymously as a Magister who brought sin to heaven, and then in much more detail in Legacy.

The Inquisition did do much about them.  Nearly every Venatori plot is defeated by the Inquisitor and company. From the moment their existence became known in the wake of the Conclave, they started losing almost every match.

 

Kossith is the name for the race, but more importantly it's the name for the group the Qunari split off from. It's implied that they were strong enough to send the Qunari into exile, who invaded Thedas to establish their own empire, across the ocean from the kossith. It's also been speculated that the kossith are different from Qunari in some fundamental way.

[raging_monkey]

The Warden went to the homeland of the Executors in search of a cure to the Calling and was captured. It will be our job to rescue him.
Lair of the Executors DLC.

that sounds pretty cool actually

[LOLandStuff]

As much as I would like that, the Executors seem to be east, judging by their interactions with the Antivan merchants, and the Warden was heading west, wasn't he/she?

And west is mostly ash waste and uncharted territory, so who knows? Though Imshael did mention 'those bits out west' in reference to ancient elven territory.

 

Warden will keep walking West until it turns East.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why would there be a mention of them? All previous games focused on the south. Fenris was our main source for firsthand Tevinter knowledge. And secretive cults have a tendency to be secretive.

For an empire that has lost the world as its empire, and suffers continuing degradation at the hands of the Qunari and has to deal with Orlais claiming to be the premier world power, of course there would be Tevinter hardliners that want a return to the glory days. And the Venatori explicitly do not have the forces to match Orlais, or the Inquisition post-Skyhold. They're a cult growing in number, but all of their plans, save Haven, revolve around the use of magical might and intrigue.

Time travel and manipulation to subvert the mages. Red lyrium to turn the Templars, because they need more manpower and anti-mage powers. Assassination and conspiracy to send Orlais into chaos, followed by an invasion of a demon army that they can only get by subverting the Wardens. And the force they serve is only unknown for a brief time, we're well familiar with Corypheus thanks to him featuring in Origins' opening scene anonymously as a Magister who brought sin to heaven, and then in much more detail in Legacy.

The Inquisition did do much about them.  Nearly every Venatori plot is defeated by the Inquisitor and company. From the moment their existence became known in the wake of the Conclave, they started losing almost every match.

 

Kossith is the name for the race, but more importantly it's the name for the group the Qunari split off from. It's implied that they were strong enough to send the Qunari into exile, who invaded Thedas to establish their own empire, across the ocean from the kossith. It's also been speculated that the kossith are different from Qunari in some fundamental way.

Secretive cults don't have forces that match one of the strongest (if not strongest) empires with their forces there is no way the could have be secretive cult.From what i know they enough forces to have huge influence in Thedas including pretty much taking over lands even if you destroy many their operations and forces including huge amount of them in war table and another on the world map they still can launch invasion on arbor wilds and that pretty much with whole inquistion and orlais forces against them combined and they didn't even had tevinter support.

 

Im not talking here about Corypheus or Venatori im talking about executors and force they work for (second part) .

 

Yes what is a lot but as i said even despite everything inquisitor could do to them they still invaded Arbor wilds and if inquisition don't have orlais they lose against them.

 

To be honest i never heard that they were exile weren't sometimes kossith a race that arrived to thedas and then become qunari?I would gladly read some info about it i will try find something on wiki.   

[Caddius]

Secretive cults don't have forces that match one of the strongest (if not strongest) empires with their forces there is no way the could have be secretive cult.From what i know they enough forces to have huge influence in Thedas including pretty much taking over lands even if you destroy many their operations and forces including huge amount of them in war table and another on the world map they still can launch invasion on arbor wilds and that pretty much with whole inquistion and orlais forces against them combined and they didn't even had tevinter support.

 

Im not talking here about Corypheus or Venatori im talking about executors and force they work for (second part) .

 

Yes what is a lot but as i said even despite everything inquisitor could do to them they still invaded Arbor wilds and if inquisition don't have orlais they lose against them.

 

To be honest i never heard that they were exile weren't sometimes kossith a race that arrived to thedas and then become qunari?I would gladly read some info about it i will try find something on wiki.   

My point is that the Venatori do not match the Orlesians, army wise. They do not conquer or annex lands. They establish research camps in uninhabited deserts, send a dozen agents into Redcliffe, and have overseers over their own patsies, like the Freemen of the Dales or the Red Templar. And while a secretive cult, going off the Codex entries, they've been a thorn in the side of the Tevinter government for some years now. It's like a secret society that burst onto the scene once Corypheus took over, as having one of THE Magisters helps out with your street cred in Minrathous. It's just that Fereldans and Free Marchers wouldn't hear and wouldn't care about the political factions of Tevinter, especially not a fringe one like the Venatori.

They hit the Arbor Wilds, which is guarded by the Sentinels, who are small in number. The Orlesian army and the Inquisition forces largely wipe the Venatori out in that battle. It was a last, desperate move by Corypheus and the Venatori. I don't doubt they have plenty of cells and agents elsewhere.

The Inquisition itself is relatively small. By the end of the game and the Arbor Wilds, it's assembled an army comparable to that of a small kingdom. But the Venatori have mages and mayhem in abundance, and the terrain of the Arbor Wilds prevents the sheer numbers of Orlais and the Inquisition from annihilating them quickly.

And as for the complaint about the Venatori coming out of nowhere. Well, if the Venatori got a string of War Table missions and letters foreshadowing their arrival and purpose back in Dragon Age II, would you still have criticized them for coming out of nowhere? That's what the War Table missions for Those Across the Sea seems to be setting up. Or is it solely your doubt that a cult could become that powerful without everyone noticing?

 

On the Qunari and kossith: ( I believe Qunari is the religion, qunari is the race as referred to by Theodosians, and kossith are the people the Qunari left behind. Qunari don't seem to care about racial identification, Sten's elf mockery aside.)

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Kossith

I'm struggling to find the Iron Bull comments. Just chat him up extensively about the Qunari. It might only be available if you're playing a qunari Inquisitor.

[TheKomandorShepard]

My point is that the Venatori do not match the Orlesians, army wise. They do not conquer or annex lands. They establish research camps in uninhabited deserts, send a dozen agents into Redcliffe, and have overseers over their own patsies, like the Freemen of the Dales or the Red Templar. And while a secretive cult, going off the Codex entries, they've been a thorn in the side of the Tevinter government for some years now. It's like a secret society that burst onto the scene once Corypheus took over, as having one of THE Magisters helps out with your street cred in Minrathous. It's just that Fereldans and Free Marchers wouldn't hear and wouldn't care about the political factions of Tevinter, especially not a fringe one like the Venatori.

They hit the Arbor Wilds, which is guarded by the Sentinels, who are small in number. The Orlesian army and the Inquisition forces largely wipe the Venatori out in that battle. It was a last, desperate move by Corypheus and the Venatori. I don't doubt they have plenty of cells and agents elsewhere.

The Inquisition itself is relatively small. By the end of the game and the Arbor Wilds, it's assembled an army comparable to that of a small kingdom. But the Venatori have mages and mayhem in abundance, and the terrain of the Arbor Wilds prevents the sheer numbers of Orlais and the Inquisition from annihilating them quickly.

And as for the complaint about the Venatori coming out of nowhere. Well, if the Venatori got a string of War Table missions and letters foreshadowing their arrival and purpose back in Dragon Age II, would you still have criticized them for coming out of nowhere? That's what the War Table missions for Those Across the Sea seems to be setting up. Or is it solely your doubt that a cult could become that powerful without everyone noticing?

 

On the Qunari and kossith: ( I believe Qunari is the religion, qunari is the race as referred to by Theodosians, and kossith are the people the Qunari left behind. Qunari don't seem to care about racial identification, Sten's elf mockery aside.)

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Kossith

I'm struggling to find the Iron Bull comments. Just chat him up extensively about the Qunari. It might only be available if you're playing a qunari Inquisitor.

 

Wheter they match orlesian army wise or not they still have large army as i said amount amount of destroyed venatori forces that you cand destroy just outside main quest is huge not mention scale of their operations and influences even by the end of the game they still have enough forces to invade and it takes inquisition and orlais combined to take them down without orlais venatori win. I would say hardly inquisition army is weak considering that even orlais compliments them on that matter and epilogue says it rivals kingdoms (at least for military inquisition).  

 

So practically we have organization that not only have massive amount of forces but also huge influences in whole thedas and we never heard about that organization...

 

About qunari and kossith thing it is very interesting but also little stinks from what i have read on wiki Kossith (race) practically were qunari (and well still are) before they created qun and destroyed and replaced their former beliefs.So qunari and kossith are the same thing (or at least wiki claims that).So as far Kossith empire that aren't qunari (race) thing seems to come from iron bull in dai.  

[Caddius]

Wheter they match orlesian army wise or not they still have large army as i said amount amount of destroyed venatori forces that you cand destroy just outside main quest is huge not mention scale of their operations and influences even by the end of the game they still have enough forces to invade and it takes inquisition and orlais combined to take them down without orlais venatori win. I would say hardly inquisition army is weak considering that even orlais compliments them on that matter and epilogue says it rivals kingdoms (at least for military inquisition).  

 

So practically we have organization that not only have massive amount of forces but also huge influences in whole thedas and we never heard about that organization...

 

About qunari and kossith thing it is very interesting but also little stinks from what i have read on wiki Kossith (race) practically were qunari (and well still are) before they created qun and destroyed and replaced their former beliefs.So qunari and kossith are the same thing (or at least wiki claims that).So as far Kossith empire that aren't qunari thing seems to come from iron bull in dai.  

Seeing as how a priest of the Qunari admits that they left the kossith homeland, and that the kossith were not Qunari, I think the notion that Par Vollen is awaiting a reinforcing invasion of Qunari from their home continent has been debunked.

I see the Venatori as somewhat similar to Mass Effect's Cerberus. (Which, admittedly, had issues with its scale in the third game particularly.) While humans in the military and intelligence forces are all too aware of Cerberus, Shepard is surprised and impressed that Mordin even knows of them, much less identifies Shepard and company as working with them on very little information.

So Orlesian agents in Tevinter would be aware of the Venatori. Tevinter Magisters would be aware of Venatori, as they held a Senate meeting about it. But we, as the players, had no reason to hear about the Venatori. Corypheus has been leading it for several years, it would seem. In Origins, we never heard about the Resolutionists or the Seekers, but that didn't stop them from having important roles to play in Dragon Age 2, with the Seekers having a lot of power and relevance to the plot.

Thedas is a continent, and this world does not have phones or computers. I buy the idea that the Venatori were able to build up forces in the North quite easily. And the only times I see the Venatori in full-scale battle, it's a desperate move by Corypheus. To retrieve the Anchor or the Well. They avoid open conflict for a good reason, they simply aren't powerful enough to challenge nations face-to-face. The chaos of the Rifts allows them freedom of movement.

They do not have the forces to invade Orlais. Hence, the demon army. They do not have the forces to occupy any country outside of a city-state. That would be absurd for an extremist Tevinter faction to achieve. They're aiming for a Science Victory, not a Domination Victory, once the demons are out of the picture, to use Civilization terminology.

[TEWR]

Yeah I read about this. My guess is that they're the original homeland of the Qunari. It's known that the beings known as the Kossith fled from "something", and some of them had even made it to the Korcari Wilds during the decline of the Imperium before the First Blight officially begun.

 

It's clear they view Corypheus as a threat (they say as much) which leads me to believe they have some knowledge of Darkspawn. Which indicates the Darkspawn have either spread to their land or their spies have been feeding them information about the Blights.

 

They also seem to be keenly aware of tumult that will arrive in the future and seek to prevent it, assuming the threats to come aren't going to be some twisted-ass logic employed by them. That is to say, akin to how the Qunari view themselves, as saviors of Thedas.

 

Although I have a feeling Bioware will probably go for something stupid in regards to them. Just a feeling. If I'm wrong, I'll be happy -- the upside of pessimism.

 

Warden will keep walking West until it turns East.

 

Sten would be happy, even if the directions are different.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Perhaps the Executors are the ones who bred the first Qunari?

[TEWR]

Perhaps the Executors are the ones who bred the first Qunari?

 

Unlikely that the Executors are the ones who bred the first Qunari, but the general sentiment you're expressing is what I believe is the case. That of the people the Executors are working for are the ones who first created the Qunari, and perhaps the Qunari we see are those who broke away from this homeland for whatever reason (Koslun may have led a mass exodus after discovering the truth of his people)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Seeing as how a priest of the Qunari admits that they left the kossith homeland, and that the kossith were not Qunari, I think the notion that Par Vollen is awaiting a reinforcing invasion of Qunari from their home continent has been debunked.

I see the Venatori as somewhat similar to Mass Effect's Cerberus. (Which, admittedly, had issues with its scale in the third game particularly.) While humans in the military and intelligence forces are all too aware of Cerberus, Shepard is surprised and impressed that Mordin even knows of them, much less identifies Shepard and company as working with them on very little information.

So Orlesian agents in Tevinter would be aware of the Venatori. Tevinter Magisters would be aware of Venatori, as they held a Senate meeting about it. But we, as the players, had no reason to hear about the Venatori. Corypheus has been leading it for several years, it would seem. In Origins, we never heard about the Resolutionists or the Seekers, but that didn't stop them from having important roles to play in Dragon Age 2, with the Seekers having a lot of power and relevance to the plot.

Thedas is a continent, and this world does not have phones or computers. I buy the idea that the Venatori were able to build up forces in the North quite easily. And the only times I see the Venatori in full-scale battle, it's a desperate move by Corypheus. To retrieve the Anchor or the Well. They avoid open conflict for a good reason, they simply aren't powerful enough to challenge nations face-to-face. The chaos of the Rifts allows them freedom of movement.

They do not have the forces to invade Orlais. Hence, the demon army. They do not have the forces to occupy any country outside of a city-state. That would be absurd for an extremist Tevinter faction to achieve. They're aiming for a Science Victory, not a Domination Victory, once the demons are out of the picture, to use Civilization terminology.

 

I would say hardly ventatori are Cerberus as Cerberus didn't pop out of nowhere nor they were very secretive (as public knew about them) and series introduced cerberus at the beginning of series.I don't know why Shepard is so suprised considering that existence of that organisation was known long before events of first game perhaps shepard was just suprised about his knowledge about them. 

 

We as player well rather as consumer (because we have access to sources outside games) had every reason to know about that organization considering scale of that organization sadly we aren't.Resolutionists seem to me be new group and as it codex says heavily connected to kirkwall mage underground when seekres in fact came out nowhere and should be introduced before considering scale of that organisation with that at least seekers were introduced not late in series.   

 

Once again they could inavade on part of orlais and it took both inquisition army as well orlais army to take them down and as i said without orlais on their said inquisition is defeated by venatori and by that simple fact makes venatori far from secretive order they ain't assassins or templars from AC.Not to even mention that they required huge amount of people and resources to even pull that out.

[Master Warder Z_]

It probably won't be relevant.

Like the band of three or the unbound.

[Vienna]

That is sadly the most likely. We have enough things going on in Thedas. We really don't need it more complicated by throwing in some eastern organization (which I personally feel are likely the Kossith who didn't emigrate to become Qunari) which has spies across the Boeric Ocean. It's an interesting concept, but unless they go somewhere with it, I feel they shouldn't have added it.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Unlikely that the Executors are the ones who bred the first Qunari, but the general sentiment you're expressing is what I believe is the case. That of the people the Executors are working for are the ones who first created the Qunari, and perhaps the Qunari we see are those who broke away from this homeland for whatever reason (Koslun may have led a mass exodus after discovering the truth of his people)

What strikes me is the name of this group. An Executor is a care taker, or responsible for assigning assets. Give the way the Qunari assign roles and assign groups or individuals to do thinks, the Antom of the Qunari acts like the Executors of the people. SO the Executors may be the founders of the Qunari (Koslun's people, or the ones that bred them to do certain jobs, or even Vashoth that are anything but savages. I have a hunch they are related somehow.

[TEWR]

I can't keep myself from reading Executor as Executioner, personally. And every time I see Executioner, I think of the Executioners from Star Ocean.

[Master Warder Z_]

I can't keep myself from reading Executor as Executioner, personally. And every time I see Executioner, I think of the Executioners from Star Ocean.

It reminds me of the flagship of death squadron.

[Marcus_Brody]

I don´t know why, but I imagine them as a technological scientific faction.

I would like to see them leading a large scale invasion of Thedas.

[Paxwell]

The ancient elves lived all over the place in the past, right?  I mean, their empire was so far flung they used magic mirrors to travels between it and it apparently included places located in the Fade or other metaplanes.  Maybe there was an elven civilization across the sea.  It wouldn't have necessarily been crushed or destroyed after the fall of Arlathan, since there Tevinters knew nothing about it, and maybe they had someone stand up and take control after the gods were locked away.

 

And why might they be relevant to the ongoing plot rather than an outlandish addition?  Maybe they still remember those ancient events, and thus might be a way for us to find out about them. 

 

It just occurred to me as well, that they might be the people Solas refers to as "my people."  So Solas wakes up somewhere in Thedas, and things are still rough.  He needs to get back to his people across the sea, possibly through the eluvians, but his orb is out of juice.  He hands it to Corypheus, and DAI ensues.  Now, with this orb broken, the only way he can activate an eluvian is with the only other source of power still available: Mythal's.  You heard it here first, folks, DA4 features an invasion from those across the sea, riding in the name of the Dread Wolf, their living god.

 

Or, you know, not.

[sandalisthemaker]

I can't keep myself from reading Executor as Executioner, personally. And every time I see Executioner, I think of the Executioners from Star Ocean.

 

 

 

And this is what I keep thinking of.  Hopefully they are more badass than this.   

[Cee]

I'm glad to see this topic since I had a whole bunch of war table missions trigger after some of the bugs were fixed and this was one I completed today on my canon save. It really creeped me out but I am excited to see the lore expand.

 

 

 

 

And this is what I keep thinking of.  Hopefully they are more badass than this.   

 

Me too!

 

I'm glad someone else posted it.

[TEWR]

 

And this is what I keep thinking of.  Hopefully they are more badass than this.   

 

OMG I actually was thinking about this a while ago too. So now it's Executioners and Exeggutor

 

And hey, walking Solas trees are plenty badass!!

[Uccio]

And how did the Inq suddenly become so interesting that the "powers behind the sea" suddenly fawn all over their positions? I mean, it´s not like the Inq is the only power in Thedas. And capable one, someone would have come across these bogies before already as they seem to be quite active.

[Ulicus]

If playing Crusader Kings II has taught me anything, it's that they'll be part of some kind of "Sunrise Invasion" DLC. (Does Thedas' sun rise in the East?)

Doomstacks, ahoy!

 

More seriously, this particular 'hook' was one of the more interesting developments for me... and I'm very much looking forward to seeing what's made of it.