It's never happened as far as i know and i wonder why that is. Probably has something to do with the taint or maybe just the old gods song blocking out the demons. So what about the awakened darkspawn then? They can't hear the song.
idk where im going with this i just thought it interesting
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It's never happened as far as i know and i wonder why that is. Probably has something to do with the taint or maybe just the old gods song blocking out the demons. So what about the awakened darkspawn then? They can't hear the song.
idk where im going with this i just thought it interesting
I don't know. Maybe think of it like real estate. It's like living in the ghetto, for a demon. 
I suppose they can be. The taint shouldn't make it difficult. Demons can possess Wardens who also have the taint so I doubt the taint has anything to do with it at all.
Darkspawn, unlike the other races, are not driven by any "sin" like lust, greed, pride etcetera which I believe to be the thing that demons most crave.
I think it's more a case of Demons not wanting to possess Darkspawn as opposed to them not being able to possess them.
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I suppose they can be. The taint shouldn't make it difficult. Demons can possess Wardens who also have the taint so I doubt the taint has anything to do with it at all.
Darkspawn, unlike the other races, are not driven by any "sin" like lust, greed, pride etcetera which I believe to be the thing that demons most crave.
I think it's more a case of Demons not wanting to possess Darkspawn as opposed to them not being able to possess them.
Agreed.. although I think we're saying the same thing.
I think demons like to see through other eyes.. All of them so far actually. The demon in Sophia Dryden took pride in knowing her secrets.. and simply wanted to see more of the world, Desire demons like tapping into someone's deepest wants and vicariously experiencing it, Envy was willing to abandon his previous plans and became more interested in living the Herald's life.. And generally speaking, demons like mages. They can manipulate the real world with a mage like they do in the Fade. It's a natural fit.
Darkspawn? They have nothing to offer.
That would be extremely hard - like possessing a non-mage. Or even a dwarf.
Darkspawn have no connection to the Fade. Darkspawn mages use the Taint as the source of power, not the Fade.
I don't know if Darkspawn dream.
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Darkspawn mages use the Taint as the source of power, not the Fade.
That I didn't know. Interesting.
That would be extremely hard - like possessing a non-mage. Or even a dwarf.
Darkspawn have no connection to the Fade. Darkspawn mages use the Taint as the source of power, not the Fade.
I don't know if Darkspawn dream.
If they don't dream, do Awakened darkspawn dream? Do the Architect and Corypheus? It's interesting to ponder.
What still strikes me as interesting is that demon-possessed dwarf prince in The Calling. I'd always gotten the impression that either dwarves were immune for the same reasons as the Tranquil, or demons were utterly uninterested. But dwarves seem to have a habit of sealing demons away into stonework or beneath the sands, with Paragon Fairel's tomb and Malvernis's prison.
That would be extremely hard - like possessing a non-mage. Or even a dwarf.
Darkspawn have no connection to the Fade. Darkspawn mages use the Taint as the source of power, not the Fade.
I don't know if Darkspawn dream.
Perhaps it's a blend of both then. They wouldn't gain anything from a Darkspawn, so there is no reason to possess one; and it's more difficult to possess them, because of the lack of connection to the fade. (Though Dwarves aren't connected to the Fade either yet I believe they can be possessed.)
Avernus also has comments about how the demons and darkspawn are anathema to each other. Apparently demons have no idea how to handle the Taint, and they're uncomfortable with the idea.
Avernus also feels himself drawn to the Black City as his Calling draws closer, and feels sure that there are answers there.
Demons seem to alternatively avoid the Black City as the danger zone, or boast of it not scaring them at all, and that the Maker is totally fake.
Avernus also has comments about how the demons and darkspawn are anathema to each other. Apparently demons have no idea how to handle the Taint, and they're uncomfortable with the idea.
Avernus also feels himself drawn to the Black City as his Calling draws closer, and feels sure that there are answers there.
Demons seem to alternatively avoid the Black City as the danger zone, or boast of it not scaring them at all, and that the Maker is totally fake.
So we know they don't want to possess them, but are we in agreement that they can possess them? 
So we know they don't want to possess them, but are we in agreement that they can possess them?
I have absolutely no idea. 
I guess if they could possess trees, which presumably don't have souls, it would be easy to possess a souless husk? Or is the soul or connection to the Fade what makes it even possible? If they possessed it, would they themselves be tainted? (Imagine the Taint spreading in the Fade, and into other people's dreams thanks to the spirits. 
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Do the Architect and Corypheus still draw their magic from the Fade, in part, or is it entirely Blight-based? I could see them having two energy bars. If from the Fade, could a sufficiently badass demon, say, possess Corypheus and make him the true hate-sink of Thedas, being a Tevinter Mage Demon Darkspawn? 
And now I desperately want to see a demon possess a darkspawn. FOR SCIENCE!
I have absolutely no idea.
I guess if they could possess trees, which presumably don't have souls, it would be easy to possess a souless husk? Or is the soul or connection to the Fade what makes it even possible? If they possessed it, would they themselves be tainted? (Imagine the Taint spreading in the Fade, and into other people's dreams thanks to the spirits.
Do the Architect and Corypheus still draw their magic from the Fade, in part, or is it entirely Blight-based? I could see them having two energy bars.
And now I desperately want to see a demon possess a darkspawn. FOR SCIENCE!
It has to happen! I reckon, if anything, it would likely be seen in the next game if it is in fact set in Tevinter; considering the use of blood magic amongst most of the mages there.
It has to happen! I reckon, if anything, it would likely be seen in the next game if it is in fact set in Tevinter; considering the use of blood magic amongst most of the mages there.
"And for my next trick, I will implant a demon of hunger in this Ogre, to ensure that the masses in the South remain starving and frightened!"
If anyone would try it, it'd be Tevinter.
What still strikes me as interesting is that demon-possessed dwarf prince in The Calling.
Hmm, wasn't he dead? I don't remember specifics, I read The Calling some time ago, but wasn't he a skeleton? It could be that the Desire Demon just possessed his corpse.
To be honest, I think that there are two types of possession:
First one is exclusive for the mages - they encounter the demon in the Fade, and they let it in. The demon takes control of the body and turns it into an abomination.
For the second one, anyone can be a subject - a demon that passes physically through the Fade, can become fully corporeal by possessing a dead or alive body (second one is probably much harder). Hence possessed Templars in DA2, Desire Demon possibly possessing the small girl in Stone Prisoner DLC, and some other cases. Only a demon (or maybe a spirit - like Justice or possibly Wynne's Spirit of Faith) that has already passed physically from the Fade into the material world, can possess a non-mage or a dead body.
What I find interesting is this: why is it so easy for a demon to pass from the Fade to the real world, but nearly impossible for a mortal to go physically into the Fade?
Hmm, wasn't he dead? I don't remember specifics, I read The Calling some time ago, but wasn't he a skeleton? It could be that the Desire Demon just possessed his corpse.
To be honest, I think that there are two types of possession:
First one is exclusive for the mages - they encounter the demon in the Fade, and they let it in. The demon takes control of the body and turns it into an abomination.
For the second one, anyone can be a subject - a demon that passes physically through the Fade, can become fully corporeal by possessing a dead or alive body (second one is probably much harder). Hence possessed Templars in DA2, Desire Demon possibly possessing the small girl in Stone Prisoner DLC, and some other cases. Only a demon (or maybe a spirit - like Justice or possibly Wynne's Spirit of Faith) that has already passed physically from the Fade into the material world, can possess a non-mage or a dead body.
What I find interesting is this: why is it so easy for a demon to pass from the Fade to the real world, but nearly impossible for a mortal to go physically into the Fade?
Interesting. 
But I believe the dwarves were running away from the possessed dwarf. I think he was desperate and made a pact with a demon, somehow, and the demon proceeded to kill everyone in sight. I don't see any reason a demon would possess a dead dwarf. Then again...another demon imprisoned in the stone?
Ack. I don't have my copy available at the moment. 
Probaply awakened darkspawn and the Architect and Corypheus can be possessed by demons. The Architect can go to fade and dream, he did so in the Calling so I guess awakened darkspawn can as well, not sure though since he's also magister. The darkspawn that are controlled by Old gods and their song probaply can't cause Old gods songs blocks it and they don't have much of emotions, intelligence and desires to use.
Hmm, wasn't he dead? I don't remember specifics, I read The Calling some time ago, but wasn't he a skeleton? It could be that the Desire Demon just possessed his corpse.
To be honest, I think that there are two types of possession:
First one is exclusive for the mages - they encounter the demon in the Fade, and they let it in. The demon takes control of the body and turns it into an abomination.
For the second one, anyone can be a subject - a demon that passes physically through the Fade, can become fully corporeal by possessing a dead or alive body (second one is probably much harder). Hence possessed Templars in DA2, Desire Demon possibly possessing the small girl in Stone Prisoner DLC, and some other cases. Only a demon (or maybe a spirit - like Justice or possibly Wynne's Spirit of Faith) that has already passed physically from the Fade into the material world, can possess a non-mage or a dead body.
What I find interesting is this: why is it so easy for a demon to pass from the Fade to the real world, but nearly impossible for a mortal to go physically into the Fade?
Possibly the barrier is just stronger on the mortal side. Mortals were not supposed to go into the Fade. It makes sense that nature set up a barrier to stop people going there, but it is weaker against things coming from the other side.
I would assume so. Demons can possess trees. Dark spawn are at least humanoid.
Their dead bodies can be reanimated and spirits can take their form but that's it. The living ones take their power from the taint, not the fade.
I suppose they can be. The taint shouldn't make it difficult. Demons can possess Wardens who also have the taint so I doubt the taint has anything to do with it at all.
Darkspawn, unlike the other races, are not driven by any "sin" like lust, greed, pride etcetera which I believe to be the thing that demons most crave.
I think it's more a case of Demons not wanting to possess Darkspawn as opposed to them not being able to possess them.
It's about fade connection and willingness to allow demon into the body. Darkspawn have little connection to fade spirits or demons and draw power from the taint. Spirit would not have anyway to connect to one under normal events.
Well they can at least posess blighted creatures since there are blighted werewovles in Awakening. And since werewolves are demons that posessed wolves I'd say yes they can possess darkspawn (they probably got infected after the posession but they are still posessing them anyways.) There are also some possessed wardens and Darkspawn corpses (for example the ogre beneath Vigils keep). If they could also posess living, Darkspawn that was born as Darkspawn I don't know.
But I'm with the crowd who says the demons probably just wouldn't want to posess them anyways. In terms of quality for a meatsuit a darkspawn would probably be the equivalent of a old, dirty, torn jacket of a homeless person on which a entire pack of dogs peed on. Alas no self-respecting demon would want to wear this cr*p.
First of all, I wouldn't say that plants don't have souls. For what we know, the definition of mortal being with a soul is likely much too rigid - remember Lady of the Forest? I think she's stated to not come from across the Veil, but from the forest - wouldn't it make her pretty much the forest's soul? And if a forest can have a soul, why not a tree?I have absolutely no idea.
I guess if they could possess trees, which presumably don't have souls, it would be easy to possess a souless husk? Or is the soul or connection to the Fade what makes it even possible? (...)
If Darkspawn are immune to possession, then clearly the solution to the whole mage thing is to turn them all into intelligent Darkspawn!
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
If Darkspawn are immune to possession, then clearly the solution to the whole mage thing is to turn them all into intelligent Darkspawn!
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
It gets better! Turning EVERYONE into intelligent darkspawn would stop the Blights too!
There was even an attempt at doing just that, afaik
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