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[JRandall0308]

A while back I started tracking Gold amounts per difficulty. I now have a somewhat decent sample size, but I could always use more data. If you want to contribute (or just eye the raw data), see here --> https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

 

Sources of Gold

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There are five ways to obtain Gold during a game:

1. Pots
2. Chests
3. Event Complete
4. Zone 5 Complete
5. Nug!

Unknowns:

• Do Chests give out different amounts of Gold depending upon whether they are guarded are not? I have not been tracking this so far.
• Does an 'Event Complete' or 'Zone 5 Complete' give out more Gold if you do it quickly? This would be extremely tedious to track, so I haven't been tracking it.
• Do the different types of Events give different amounts of Gold? For example does an Escort give more (or less) Gold than Heirlooms?

 

Routine

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1. Pots -- range from 11-13 G with an average of 12
2. Chests -- range from 31-39 G with an average of 35
3. Event Complete -- range from 53-66 G with an average of ~58
4. Zone 5 Complete -- range from 73-80 G with an average of ~79 (but small sample size may be skewing the average)
5. Nug! -- only 8 in sample, but range from 58-71 G with an average of 66

Another way to look at the numbers (by their averages) is to compare each one to the number of Pots it's worth:

 

Routine Chest: roughly 3X

Routine Event: almost 5X

Routine Zone 5: about 6.5X (but small sample size)

Routine Nug: about 5.5X (but small sample size)

 

Threatening

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1. Pots -- range from 17-21 G with an average of 19
2. Chests -- range from 45-59 G with an average of ~53
3. Event Complete -- range from 79-100 G with an average of ~88
4. Zone 5 Complete -- range from 79-100 G with an average of ~88 (Threatening is the only difficulty where the Zone 5 Complete appears to be worth exactly the same amount as any other Event Complete)
5. Nug! -- range from 85-107 G with an average of ~97

Another way to look at the numbers (by their averages) is to compare each one to the number of Pots it's worth:

 

Threatening Chest: about 2.8X

Threatening Event: about 4.6X

Threatening Zone 5: about 4.6X

Threatening Nug: a little over 5X

 

Perilous

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1. Pots -- range from 23-28 G with an average of ~25.5
2. Chests -- range from 64-80 G with an average of ~73
3. Event Complete -- range from 105-134 G with an average of ~121
4. Zone 5 Complete -- range from 141-178 G with an average of ~163
5. Nug! -- range from 114-140 G with an average of ~128 (but small sample size)

Another way to look at the numbers (by their averages) is to compare each one to the number of Pots it's worth:

 

Perilous Chest: about 2.9X

Perilous Event: about 4.7X

Perilous Zone 5: about 6.4X

Perilous Nug: about 5X (but small sample size)

 

Difficulties Compared

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Again using the averages, let's see how much each source of Gold is worth compared to its Routine baseline. (Approximate values.)

 

1. Pots -- Threatening 1.6X, Perilous 2.1X
2. Chests -- Threatening 1.5X, Perilous 2.1X
3. Event Complete -- Threatening 1.5X, Perilous 2.1X
4. Zone 5 Complete -- Threatening 1.1X, Perilous 2.05X
5. Nug! -- Threatening 1.5X, Perilous 1.9X

With the exception of the oddball Threatening Zone 5 Complete Gold amounts, and taking a blurry view of the Nug amounts due to small sample sizes, I suspect the intended Gold distribution is that Threatening is worth about 1.5X Routine, and Perilous with worth about 2.0-2.1X Routine.

 

Questions? Complaints about my sloppy math? Go nuts.

 

Remember, the data are available, and I could always use more.

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

[TormDK]

Do you consider it an error that threatening complete doesn't pay out extra compared to normal events? Or would it disrupt the model of 1.5x you seem to suggest?

 

*EDIT* Do you have any data that gives the average gold gathered if all events and pots are gotten across the various difficulties?

[Shadohz]

Pots are the best key index if you're looking for the scale difference. Chests are 50/50 (gold or treasure), but the payout should be known (as you've shown). I'd say tracking the gold by map would be a better system because of the varying amount of pots available, treasure rooms and events occurring.

 

For example:
Orleasian Chateau, Difficulty: Routine

Number of pots: 20 

Low/High/Average gold from pots: 12/17/15

Number of treasure rooms: 5

Low/High/Average gold from TRs: 22/35/30

Events: <Event types>

Low/High/Average payout: 50

 

This suggestion is based solely on if you're doing full out looting. Good luck with your testing.

[JRandall0308]

Do you consider it an error that threatening complete doesn't pay out extra compared to normal events?

 

I can't say what is an error versus intended design. I can only report the numbers. That said, it is pretty odd that Threatening Zone 5 doesn't give out any more Gold than a regular Threatening Event. (And yes I was very, very careful to track them separately once I started to notice this.)

 

*EDIT* Do you have any data that gives the average gold gathered if all events and pots are gotten across the various difficulties?

 

No I do not.

 

Generally I consider about 800 G on Threatening and 1,000 G on Perilous to be 'normal' for a run in which I hit most of the treasure rooms and complete most of the events, but that's just based on memory and anecdote.

 

Pots are the best key index if you're looking for the scale difference.

 

Err... yes. Which is why I used them as the baseline.

 

I'd say tracking the gold by map would be a better system because of the varying amount of pots available, treasure rooms and events occurring.

 

Ugh! My OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) may be bad, but it has limits, and that exceeds them.

[Shadohz]

Ugh! My OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) may be bad, but it has limits, and that exceeds them.

*Boogz* LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

I've already put the thought in your head. You'll resist at first, but you'll eventually succumb to your own perfectionism. I've just come to accept it. So will you.

[BioMasika]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to see if I can provide a bit of hard data regarding this. I can't confirm the gold amount per reward type or difficulty (I didn't balance the numbers), but I can confirm all the situations that rewards are given (since I implemented the scripting of when they are awarded). But first, some clarification:

 

• "Cursed Chests" provide the same loot award (per difficulty) that non cursed ones do
• Every level has the exact same number of loot awards (pots, chests, events, and completion)
• Each of the random events provide the same loot award (per difficulty)

 Now to the details:

 

Pots - Each of the first 4 zones contain 4 pots in random locations. Each of these zones also contain access to a treasure room (the ones that have a chance to have guardians), these rooms contain 2 additional pots. This provides a grand total of 24 loot pots per level.

 

Chests - Each of the first 4 zones contains a treasure room with a chest (the ones that have a chance to have guardians). In addition to this 2 of those zones will contain an additional shortcut or treasure closet containing a chest (no guardians, you're welcome). This provides a grand total of 6 chests per level.

 

Golden Nug - Either zone 1 or zone 3 will contain a golden nug, 1 per level.

 

Events - Zones 2 & 4 contain a random event (escort, recovery, assassinate), completing the event grants the award. This provides a total of 2 event rewards per level.

 

Completion - Completing the battle in zone 5 grants the final award, 1 per level.

 

Hope this helps to answer a few questions.

[Shadohz]

Hope this helps to answer a few questions.

 

TL;DR Speedrunning>Looting.

FTFY

 

Thanks btw. I was trying to drag that info out of Amelia like 3 mths ago. I assume you were the one she was referring to that would have to disclose it.