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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I've always felt like this is a riddle which has the answer right within grasp. I can't help but to be impressed with how many damn hints the devs can give us without spoiling it. Even spoiler-cole talking about it in DA:I cant seem to crack it. 

We know that the darkspawn taint carries the song. It is very likely that the calling of the gray warden is part of this song, due to the taint.

 

We know that red lyrium carries the song and has a corrupting influence as seen with Bartrand. The theory I once had was that the song and the taint was separate entities. This actually seems likely because Cole gives us a huge hint in DA:I, he refers to magic itself in conversation with Vivienne as part of "the song". In this scenario it is the use of normal magic. 

So lets go down with some basics. 

Magic is cast when tapping into the fade.
Dwarves can "hear the stone sing" referring to lyrium.
Cole talks of spells itself  untainted - singing. 

So we know that the song itself is not directly connected to the taint. 
With red lyrium which is tainted, the song seems to give someone somewhere control over the organism.

So the conclusion which is safest to assume here imo, is that the taint uses the song as a vector/carrier. Seemingly the taint is a magical disease which allows mind-control. Just like an airborne virus IRL needs air, the taint uses magic/the song as a connector to its subjects. 

Is the song simply a synonym for magic? 
Is the song and magic itself the same?

Is the song a specific form of magic?

 

Now - about Solas trapping the other elven gods. It is my theory that these elven gods - in an attempt to break free - are those who controls the darkspawn. Using the taint with magic creating the overriding corrupting song - they are able to physically manipulate the real world from the fade.

 

Another clue here is Solas's opposition to killing archdemons. There is certainly a connection here somehow. So about the Black City, it is possible that some of the elven gods Solas trapped lured the magisters there because they needed powerful mages to start the blights. And that this also allowed the trapped elven gods to possess dragons as avatars by transforming some of their life essence into them the same way Cory did with his dragons.

I mean - if Cory can transfer some of his life-force into a dragon. What stopped the elven gods from transferring theirs to dragons to do their will? 

The whole thing about the song is mentioned all the time like everywhere in the dragon age world and lore, and its driving me insane with so many hints but no proof or solution to the riddle.

If you have any suggestions, ideas, or if I missed something or got something wrong please contribute

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 

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[TheRaccoon]

Hmm... I don't think there is only 'the' song but there are in fact a few 'songs'. If you ask Cole about templars, he say that the templars got 'whispers crawl inside their heads' and he also mentions that the red templars 'hear a different song. The song behind the door old whispers want opened.'

[Handsome Jack]

I've always believed the Archdemons live a physical slumber but their spirits or essences live on in the Fade. They are more or less "gods" in their own right, so it wouldn't be too far fetched. The Song to me is just them using their mental will to contact and try to draw all the Darkspawn they can through the connected blood they share with the Darkspawn ever since Dumat led them down to the dark side. I tend to not have an Elven view of Thedas' history though. I'd say the Human/Chantry telling of it all is the proper way.

[Lethaya]

Cole also mentions a time when "everything sang the same," no? Presumably the time before the Veil Solas (and Yavana) talks about. The songs around currently (because it does seem there could be some difference or variation, but maybe not) could be this song, plus other twisted variations. Or broken splinters of the song everything sang before in unison?

 

Hard to get answers when so much is still hidden from us. Interesting, though. XD

 

Useless reply is useless.

[leaguer of one]

Yes, the song is magic. It's a song to someone who has the senses to feel/here it.

 

It can be dark or bright...Always beautiful. Different magic has different songs.

[Paxwell]

'The song behind the door old whispers want opened.'

 

This is the one that gets me.  The old whispers are surely the Old Gods, possibly the calling that summons darkspawn to free them, and possibly the dreaming whispers that tricked the Magisters to breach the Golden City.  By the same token, the door that they want open could be either the "cell doors" imprisoning the Old Gods underground... or I feel like there may be another door, perhaps in the Black City, that leads to their true goal.

 

I wonder if some part of the Old Gods is imprisoned in the Black City, and that's why they tricked the Magisters to go there, but the taint infecting the place got in the way, infecting their agents.  And in a mirrored flip-side, now the agents of the taint are being sent or summoned to free the physical side, but again the taint gets in the way.  It's possible that even Corypheus is still dancing to the tune of this dark force via the blight without even realizing it, and his desire to return to the Black City is part of it.

 

It's also possible that whatever is still imprisoned behind this door be it in the Black City or not, is the origin and potentially the ultimate master of the taint.

 

Anyway, on topic, three different songs, then?

 

Song of the Fade, and therefore magic.

Song of Lyrium, Dwarves, the Stone, and potentially the Titans and/or Pillars of the Earth, or whatever is going on with dwarven history.

Song of the Blight, which includes the Calling of the Wardens and the Old Gods/Archedemons, Red Lyrium's song, and the magic used by Darkspawn emissaries.  So strong in the Deep Roads beneath the Western Approach that you can hear and feel it physically.

[JadeDragon]

I wanna know what the tainted song sounds like. It seems to be either very alluring or very annoying. Like when wardens do there calling do they just hear music while they fight in the deep roads until the die. I would not be surprised if there is a character called The Siren in fade who can sing the blighted song.

[Ranadiel Marius]

A couple of other references to the "song" are Cole refers to the sundered song when asking Varric why he writes (essentially something like "are you trying to hear the sundered song by writing") and Cole says he doesn't have to eat because the Song sustains him.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Cole also mentions a time when "everything sang the same," no? Presumably the time before the Veil Solas (and Yavana) talks about. The songs around currently (because it does seem there could be some difference or variation, but maybe not) could be this song, plus other twisted variations. Or broken splinters of the song everything sang before in unison?

 

Hard to get answers when so much is still hidden from us. Interesting, though. XD

 

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On the bolded part, isnt there a theory ingame or something that the fade and the physical world was one world - and that the fade and the real world got separated?  Or was this a fanfic? The "song behind the door" is also interesting. My bet is that the elven gods who Solas trapped are responsible.

Thanks for the replies guys, if you got more bring it  

[Ayla Cheshir]

The use of songs to shape and influence the world is very fascinating!

 

I'm new to DA in general, but I enjoy the lore the characters and everything else oh so much   

Pretty sure everything sings in that world) Very sad about the Elven though... they must have a song of their own, incredibly sad and beautiful

[Yuyana]

So... Someone in the fade is using the taint to modify the song to mindcontrol people? Or do they have their own song?

Now I'm imagining the elven gods, sitting in the tower, broadcasting their "Blight Radio FM"  .

[Miss Quisitor]

With red lyrium which is tainted, the song seems to give someone somewhere control over the organism.

 

 

Oh, i thought it said orgasam ....sorry  
 

[Lethaya]

On the bolded part, isnt there a theory ingame or something that the fade and the physical world was one world - and that the fade and the real world got separated?  Or was this a fanfic? The "song behind the door" is also interesting. My bet is that the elven gods who Solas trapped are responsible.

Thanks for the replies guys, if you got more bring it

 

That's the thing, isn't it? XD To me, at least, its seems as though, yes, there was such a time. As Solas puts it, ah, lemme see:  "Imagine if spirits entered freely, if the Fade was not a place one went but a state of nature like the wind. A world where imagination defines reality, where spirits are as common as trees or grass... [or] Imagine if spirits were not a rarity but a part of our natural world like... a fast-flowing river. Yes, it can drown careless children, but it can also carry a merchant's goods or grind a miller's flour. That is what the world could be if the Veil were not present. For better or worse."  Perhaps someone or something created the Veil at some point and separated the two? Broke apart and fractured the song? Hmm!