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I'm sure we've noticed some things that have simply not made any sense. Many of these have had something to do with planets. I was looking at one today about the Beings of Light. Klencory.

 

Here's what the wikia says:

 

Klencory is a rock and ice planet with an atmosphere composed of chlorine and argon. The frozen surface is mainly composed of potassium with deposits of iron.

 

Orbital Distance 7.5 AU Orbital Period 20.6 Earth Years Keplerian Ratio 0.994 Radius 7,677 km Day Length 18.3 Earth Hours Atm. Pressure 1.01 atm Surface Temp -109 °C Surface Gravity 0.82 g Mass 1.179 Earth Masses Satellites

N/A

 

 

What is wrong with this picture? Chlorine freezes at -101o C and boils at -34C. This would mean that the planet would have a frozen ocean of chlorine, but under the surface due to pressure, it would be liquid. The frozen surface is composed mainly of potassium and iron. Potassium is a highly reactive alkali metal and chlorine also being highly corrosive ... we're looking at a surface of salt flats and iron chloride at least to any depth to which the liquid chlorine could get. The reaction between chlorine and potassium would have been quite violent and over with probably about the time the planet was formed.

 

We know we've seen other planetary wonders - like Rannoch with an average temperature of 48oC - seriously? You mean the Quarians only lived in the polar regions? Why would Tali complain about the heat in her suit?

 

Let's hope Bioware does a better job in the next iteration of Mass Effect.


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Regarding the Quarians, we do not know their biology. They may very well have a higher body temperature and 48°C might feel like mildly warm to them.

Agreed about Klencory. 

Would be nice if they paid more attention to these details in ME:Next.



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They no longer have Chris L'Etoile and if Schlerf's previous work is anything to judge from the science only gets weaker from here.
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Something that bothers me every time I see it is the breather masks in places with dangerous or little to no atmosphere that only cover the mouth and nose.

Stop it.
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Something that bothers me every time I see it is the breather masks in places with dangerous or little to no atmosphere that only cover the mouth and nose.

Stop it.

 

I agree.

 

I think that the only way to solve these kinds of problems would be for Bioware to simply change their approach: Less "Rule-of-Cool", more SCIENCE!.


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They no longer have Chris L'Etoile and if Schlerf's previous work is anything to judge from the science only gets weaker from here.

Tbh, Chris L'Etoile has written two of my least favorite characters - Ashley and Legion so I'm not really a fan.



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Something that bothers me every time I see it is the breather masks in places with dangerous or little to no atmosphere that only cover the mouth and nose.

Stop it.

 

Also "boob armor" in a vacuum. Jack on board the Geth station. That ink must have special properties.


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Also "boob armor" in a vacuum. Jack on board the Geth station. That ink must have special properties.

 

Yup. It's like the Qunari Vitaar...


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Well...let's see...

 

Jacob - The Gift of Greatness: The Hugo Gernsback crashed on 2175 Aeia approximately eight years prior to the Battle of the Citadel. All of the survivors are using thermal-clip weaponry which was not developed until after the Battle of the Citadel.

 

Overlord - During the cutscene where David is shown being interfaced into the Overlord hive mind and the geth begin killing the project team inside of Atlas station, the geth are shown holding weapons. Earlier, the geth David was shown interacting with were restrained. Why were any geth in Atlas Station not restrained? Why were they armed? The fact that this event took place as shown is completely implausible. While an armed uprising in Prometheus Station (the geth ship) is plausible, it should not have been in Atlas Station without a completely and ludicrously incompetent effort of the project's team not to restrain the geth and prepare a fail safe to prevent the geth platforms from moving.

 

Tali: Treason - Similar to Overlord. Why did were any of the geth platforms on the Alarai not restrained? While it is conceivable that a series of networked geth could have hacked the Alarai itself, not having armed quarians prepared to immediately destroy any restrained geth once the hack was discovered is also implausible. The quarians, of all people, would not have relied on any security restraint that could be hacked and would not have had any weapons within range of those platforms. Similarly, why are the geth armed with geth weaponry? If the geth have been pieced together by equipment gathered over long periods of time, the chances of having enough fully functioning geth weaponry for the entire active geth platforms to use is unlikely.

 

Rannoch - Geth Dreadnought: A few things here -

 

  • No reason exists for the dreadnought to contain haptic and holographic interfaces that any organic can interface with. The geth would use wireless communication and interfaces if a hardware platform was required to gather information from the ship's higher runtimes.
  • No reason for the geth fighters to require a physical platform to pilot it. It would not have physical controls. All geth weaponry, including armatures and colossi, are piloted by geth runtimes inhabiting the hardware like any other geth platform. The geth "pilot" would software downloaded into the hardware. This bleeds into the Geth Fighter Squadron mission as well, where the cutscene shows the physical platform acting as a pilot collapsing when the server goes dark.

 

Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons: A few things here -

  • The clip of a historical geth picking up a weapon that looks like an M-98 Widow has a number of problems. Shepard refer to the weapon as being similar to the weapon Legion used to carry. However, the M-98 Widow was a research project for Legion: the rifle it was first seen using is a M-97 Viper. You can go the entirety of Mass Effect 2 without Legion touching an M-98 Widow.
  • Having the M-98 Widow even being referenced in this scene is anachronistic: it would make the design of the weapon almost certainly quarian and also over four hundred years old. The fact that M-15 Vindicators are seen in the historical footage as well would date those weapons back four hundred years as well. This is problematic because if these were taken in the same context as quarians wearing enviro-suits on Rannoch during the Morning War, which is to say they are wearing suits because they are projected through the filter of Shepard's mind who has not seen quarians, then they would make sense as Shepard's mind projecting familiar weapon designs into the era of the Morning War. Why this specific weapon is considered to be factually represented in the footage when Legion has already prefaced the earliest footage by saying it is build around Shepard's perceptions is questionable at best.
  • The fact that Legion is able to free any of the geth runtimes from the server is highly questionable. If the Reaper transmitter is capable of controlling the entire geth fleet currently around Rannoch and all individual geth platforms on Rannoch, why Legion or the Geth VI is able to "convince" any get to act against the Reaper signal is problematic.

Priority: Tuchanka: The movements of the relatively tiny krogan tomkahs are enough to attract Kalross, which follows them relentlessly. However, the 160 meter tall Reaper Destroyer which literally shakes the surface of the planet around it as it moves is completely ignored by Kalross until the maw hammers are used. If the movements of Reaper is not enough to attract Kalross unless the hammers are used, but the movements of the tomkahs are...well...that's inconceivable.

 

Collector Ship: It is possible, and in most cases, PROBABLE, that the Normandy's weapons, shields, and armor have all been upgraded by the time this mission takes place. It's also possible that all of the Normandy's other upgrades (med-bay, probes, fuel) have been completed by then. There's no functional difference between the Normandy at this point than the Normandy during the Suicide Mission. However, the cutscenes and Joker's communication treats this as though the Normandy is but seconds away from being destroyed when in truth, the Normandy would have had a significant tactical advantage when the Collector vessel was still powering up and the Normandy was out of range of its main gun. A few shots with the Thanix canon from the side or behind, and suddenly the entire story changes. I know this scene takes place as it does because the Normandy may not yet be upgraded, but it is incredibly jarring to have the exact same ship be treated as the terror of the galaxy one moment, and something to be brushed aside with the blast of new weaponry the next, when the Normandy was in the exact same state of readiness in both scenes.

 

I can continue, but that's enough for now.


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@Arisugawa: More! Feed me MORE!
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James landing the shuttle where he did on Mars instead of by the front door


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Well...let's see...

 

Jacob - The Gift of Greatness:[...]

 

Overlord [...]

 

Tali: Treason [...]

I guess this is a case of gameplay > lore.

Finding no spare thermal clips on Jacob's LM would need a significant less enemies and playtime or a completely different design.

For Tali's LM and Overloard, the encountered geth need to be able to fight back. AFAIR ME2 enemies don't have melee animations, so these would have been specifically designed for these missions/ flashbacks.

 

I completely agree with you on the rest!


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I guess this is a case of gameplay > lore.

Finding no spare thermal clips on Jacob's LM would need a significant less enemies and playtime or a completely different design.

For Tali's LM and Overloard, the encountered geth need to be able to fight back. AFAIR ME2 enemies don't have melee animations, so these would have been specifically designed for these missions/ flashbacks.

 

I completely agree with you on the rest!

 

Imagine how cool it would have been to see some original solutions to accommodate canon?


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I agree.

 

I think that the only way to solve these kinds of problems would be for Bioware to simply change their approach: Less "Rule-of-Cool", more SCIENCE!!

I totally agree, but I do not expect it because Mac is in charge, Chris is gone and Christopher Schlerf wrote Halo 4's ending which was the biggest slap-in-the-face to anything you can attribute to "science"

 

Tbh, Chris L'Etoile has written two of my least favorite characters - Ashley and Legion so I'm not really a fan.

Like Ashley or not, I think she added some great insight and was excellently placed within the opening chapter to a new IP, and besides what I was refering to was mostly that Chris wrote every single codex page in ME1.



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Chris wrote every single codex page in ME1.

Source?



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Shepard being able to read a Drell prayer book has always struck me as being a bit odd.


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Kai Leng on Thessia. Why didn't he just tell the gunship to fire at the supports instead of wasting time fighting Shepard and squad?


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It being stated in Mass Effect 2 that the Reapers/Collectors were interested in humanity because of our supposedly great genetic diversity. That one was one of the more unintentionally humorous applications of the humans are special trope.

 

The problem?

 

Humanity isn't genetically diverse at all. Around 70,000 to 75,000 years ago our species may have been reduced to a few as 1,000 breeding pairs, perhaps due to climate change caused by the eruption of an Indonesian supervolcano. The resulting genetic bottleneck left us less genetically diverse than many of the other species we share our own planet with.

 

Unless every other space-faring species in the galaxy experienced more severe or more recent near extinctions in their past, humanity shouldn't be the most genetically diverse among them. Its a little far-fetched to think all of their planets histories would mirror our own, and the writers probably were influenced by the mistaken belief many people have that we are genetically diverse just because we are culturally diverse.


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Kai Leng on Thessia. Why didn't he just tell the gunship to fire at the supports instead of wasting time fighting Shepard and squad?

Kai Leng on Thessia was one the most ridiculous scenes of the entire trilogy. It's not like Shepard didn't destroy at least one or possibily two gunships in Mass Effect 2. Hell Garrus was able to disable one with a sniper rifle.

 

Shepard can charge Reapers on foot and survive, take Harbinger death beam and survive. But don't pit him against a space ninja and a gunship. It's like kriptonite.

 

The scene would've worked better if it happened just like you suggested. 


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Kai Lame. He's a mean bastard. He was toying with them because he was going up against someone who was even more lame than he was.

 

Thessia scene was the most stupid scene in the entire game.

 

Javik is on board the ship - so what if he's DLC, he was supposed to be part of the original game but was cut so EA could make an extra $10 on day one DLC. Liara knows what a Prothean looks like now. So all these busts, murals, etc., that look like Protheans - Hey, they're Protheans. Even Ashley recognizes them. Even James recognizes them. But Liara? No. She doesn't recognize them. One would also think that in her excavations she would have seen what a Prothean looks like - Oh that's right she thought they were Innusannon because of Ilos, but wait! That was a retcon done in ME2 because of the Collectors. She had to have seen Prothean stuff before. So.... she goes brain dead on Thessia.

 

Then our favorite moron has Kai Lame at point blank range with her pistol drawn and doesn't shoot because "Someone wants to talk to you." Don't forget that Shepard is victim of "Cut scene stupidity" As is Liara who is aiming at the hologram.

 

Let's face the facts here. Shepard deserved to lose the VI on Thessia. Commander "I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce" Shepard is a moron.


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Also "boob armor" in a vacuum. Jack on board the Geth station. That ink must have special properties.

 

Plus I guess Samara does not buy into 'Windows are a structural weakness" <_<


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Kai Lame. He's a mean bastard. He was toying with them because he was going up against someone who was even more lame than he was.

 

Thessia scene was the most stupid scene in the entire game.

 

Javik is on board the ship - so what if he's DLC, he was supposed to be part of the original game but was cut so EA could make an extra $10 on day one DLC. Liara knows what a Prothean looks like now. So all these busts, murals, etc., that look like Protheans - Hey, they're Protheans. Even Ashley recognizes them. Even James recognizes them. But Liara? No. She doesn't recognize them. One would also think that in her excavations she would have seen what a Prothean looks like - Oh that's right she thought they were Innusannon because of Ilos, but wait! That was a retcon done in ME2 because of the Collectors. She had to have seen Prothean stuff before. So.... she goes brain dead on Thessia.

 

Then our favorite moron has Kai Lame at point blank range with her pistol drawn and doesn't shoot because "Someone wants to talk to you." Don't forget that Shepard is victim of "Cut scene stupidity" As is Liara who is aiming at the hologram.

 

Let's face the facts here. Shepard deserved to lose the VI on Thessia. Commander "I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce" Shepard is a moron.

 

I think that part of Shepard's apparent stupidity in cut-scenes was due to the horrible bioware animations that make him look less like a bloody Spectre and more like a bumbling idiot. Think about it, the texts and the voice acting are more or less okay (excluding male!Shep), it's just the clunky animations and cutscenes that force you again and again to suspend your profound sense of disbelief.

 

Why is it that we see in ME3 animations that look somewhat familiar as far back as DA Origins?

Why can't we see the same quality of animation similar to games like Deus Ex: Human Revolution?



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They should have just given Kai Leng a weaker version of TIM's control ability over Shepard, that atleast would explain Shep's stupidity whenever he encountered Kai Leng.

 

Shooting a gun inside a c-sec car. Even I would have guessed it would have bullet proof glass.

Running towards an elevator filled with sword weilding enemies instead of, i don't know, throwing a grenade or some biotics, or good old fashioned gun fire.

Running towards the supports when Kai Leng orders the gun ship to target the supports.


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Shooting a gun inside a c-sec car. Even I would have guessed it would have bullet proof glass.

His shots do pierce the glass. Agreed on the other points, especially N2. When I saw it for the first time I sighed with relief that the game didn't hand me control over Shepard in close quarters with three Phantoms and a dude who had just killed Thane :D


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Does the idea of all races using the same omni-tool design and input system count? Who had developed the omni-tool anyway? Must've made a ton of money


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