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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Going through my final play of the series, I have to admit that the DLC in ME3 is better than the game itself.... glitches aside. I'm talking story... Well except for The Citadel... that story line was garbage and pure fan service. Why? It dug yet another hole that Mac Walters had to write comic books to fill in.

 

However, I've looked at the distance from the other mass relay mapped in the Sahrabarik system (Omega) and there are two - Omega 4 and the main one which lies in orbit outside the orbit of Bindur. Now Omega is 2.4 AU from the star. Bindur is 6.5 AU. And if the orbits hold about right the relay, so that there isn't any gravitational disturbance should be about 10 AU from the star.

 

So if my guesstimate isn't exact this isn't the point. The point is that in the Omega DLC, Aria's fleet arrives through the relay and you are within sight of a large Omega station in about 1 second. If you look closely the relay is that close showing once again that "Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale."

 

While it's dramatic, I had to laugh, and had my WTF? moment.

 

If we add all these things together we begin to wonder if IT is true.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Not sure if this has been covered, but one thing that always kinda intrigued me was the mass effect aesthetics with weapons. Almost every gun has 2 barrels to them. It looks good, and I am one of those folks who enjoys the aesthetics of the gun designs.

 

But the second barrel never seems to serve a purpose, for anything. It's not for the concussive shot, or for firing any sort of larger powered round. It's just there for the sake of aesthetic design itself. I like it, but I can admit it doesn't make sense.

[Vazgen]

Tbh, I won't put distance and scale issues as not making sense. They make perfect sense - visuals. The game will look pretty boring if all distances and scale were portrayed correctly. There is nothing to be done about it. I'll take Omega DLC dramatic entrance over realistic one any day. 

[Heimerdinger]

Tbh, I won't put distance and scale issues as not making sense. They make perfect sense - visuals. The game will look pretty boring if all distances and scale were portrayed correctly. There is nothing to be done about it. I'll take Omega DLC dramatic entrance over realistic one any day. 

 

Yeah. Take a look at Harbinger at the conduit in London. He's supposed to be at least 2 km tall but he seems smaller. Now, he's either standing very far in the distance (and judging by the line of horizon I don't think this is the case) or they shrunk him to fit the screen better.

[KaiserShep]

For that matter, how does the cure get distributed to any krogan not on Tuchanka?
 
No Grunt JRs?

I do wonder about those guys on Omega. The Talons have a ton of krogan members of the gang.

[Fixers0]

I love how it is repeatedly mentioned that Ships have several thousands Kilometers drift when exiting Mass Relays yet  every single cutscene that show ships traveling through a Relay has them perfectly exist right next to the Mass Relay.

 

Also, in every cluster you visit in ME2/ME3 the galaxy map only shows one mass relay (execpt for Omega), yet the codex mentions that primary relays are alinged up with a specific counterpart. Likewise the codex mentions the Arcuture system is home to three primary Mass Relays and one seconary relay (that goes to Sol), yet the game only shows one.

 

Also according to the galaxy map and the opening of ME1 the Local cluster links directly to Exodus cluster whilst in fact they have to go through Arcuturs  first. 

[SuperJogi]

Not sure if this has been covered, but one thing that always kinda intrigued me was the mass effect aesthetics with weapons. Almost every gun has 2 barrels to them. It looks good, and I am one of those folks who enjoys the aesthetics of the gun designs.

 

But the second barrel never seems to serve a purpose, for anything. It's not for the concussive shot, or for firing any sort of larger powered round. It's just there for the sake of aesthetic design itself. I like it, but I can admit it doesn't make sense.

 

Mass effect weapons are supposed to have some quite complex targeting electronics. Maybe that's were the sensors sit.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Mass effect weapons are supposed to have some quite complex targeting electronics. Maybe that's were the sensors sit.

That would work, if all the weapons had that design. But they don't. Most guns have 2 barrels, but not all, and yet all the weapons still function more or less the same.

[Vazgen]

That would work, if all the weapons had that design. But they don't. Most guns have 2 barrels, but not all, and yet all the weapons still function more or less the same.

When Avenger and Vindicator had built-in scopes I thought that the top "barrel" is actually an extension of those scopes and is used for aim assist. But then ME3 removed the scope and made the guns shoot from the top barrel. Now it doesn't make sense at all

[Dean_the_Young]

Another thing that doesn't make sense: Cerberus making it through the Omega 4 relay in one piece. The Omega 4 relay needed a special IFF so that drift would be minimized so that you wouldn't end up ripped to shreds and in a black hole.

 

Well this requires a leap of faith that the Reaper IFF is not a device but the software in the device. This would mean that The Illusive Man already had the software by the time Shepard's team went to the derelict reaper. So why did Shepard even bother going to the derelict reaper? Why not just give Shepard the Reaper IFF software?

 

Ah, plot reasons. Legion! That is the only reason. Otherwise you don't need it.

 

See, if the Reaper IFF was a device as is mentioned in the story, then The Illusive Man would want that device, right? And our job was to go through the relay and destroy the Collector Base, right? A one way trip. So...

 

But then that panel magically allows us to send a radiation pulse through the station and kill all the Collectors and leave the Technology intact! So even if we do that, there is no indication anywhere, either in game or in any comic where Shepard gives the IFF to The Illusive Man.... Miranda? And Cerberus gets through anyway, even if you destroy the base, leaving me to conclude it was software, not a device, and that TIM had it all along. So why didn't TIM just give it to you instead of sending you to the derelict reaper to retrieve it?

 

Huh?

 

The Reaper IFF is software... but that software is what you retrieved from the derelict reaper. There's absolutely nothing requiring TIM to have it before Shepherd retrieved it.

 

We also knew back in ME2 that TIM got a copy of the software, thanks to the 'Base Captured, total wipe' ending. After Joker reports to TIM that the base is intact, TIM's projector shows Cerberus vessels jumping to the Collector Base.

[Vazgen]

IFF is hardware

Spoiler

[Dean_the_Young]

As for me, my two pet peaves are the timespan and demographics for the Alliance. The timeline is way too compressed for a lot of reasons- not just in terms of getting through the relay, but in setting up colonies and population spread and advancing the human tech level. There's no credible reason for the Alliance to have the infrastructure, let alone the ships, to be playing around as a galactic power during ME1.

 

And part of that is the population comparison between Humans and everywhere else. Considering that the largest human colony is something like 5 million during the trilogy, all the human colonies combined across the galaxy are less than most of the Council race colonies. Illium, one of the 'new' Asari colonies, has a population of 85 million. Demographically, 99.9% of the human population still lives on Earth. That's not a credible 'galactic power' spread.

 

Galactic concern for Humanity should have been based around immigration concerns of an imminent colonization wave and demographic concerns- not military prowess.

 

 

Of course, demographics and consistent sense of scale in the ME universe are wonky. Korlus, the scrap heap planet, has a population of 3.8 billion- that's something like a third/quarter of the entire human population at the time. ME2 can't decide whether the Collectors have abducted hundreds of thousands or millions (and even go later after Horizon, when the Collectors must have passed the later). Various ME material and advertisements vary between billions and trillions of people in the civilized galaxy. All the major races in the galaxy combined have maybe a hundred or two dreadnaughts, far inferior to the Reapers, and yet tens of thousands of cycles to produce Reaper dreadnaughts and cruisers and so on don't overwhelm the galaxy in the first week.

[Dean_the_Young]

IFF is hardware

Spoiler

 

Software is derived from the recovered hardware.

[Vazgen]

Software is derived from the recovered hardware.

So that's just a USB drive that happens to have the needed software? I always envisioned it as something more, something that is required for the aforementioned software to work.

[Dean_the_Young]

So that's just a USB drive that happens to have the needed software? I always envisioned it as something more, something that is required for the aforementioned software to work.

 

It's pretty clearly not, since ME2, comics, and ME3 show that the specific hardware wasn't needed to make the jump after it was retrieved.

 

It's not like there was any compelling reason that it was hardware specific either. Unless the thing was a quantum communicator, where it and only it was tied to the relay, any signal it produced was going to have to be digitized and broadcast by the Normandy somehow. Like making a digital recording or analog sound, if you will.

[Vazgen]

It's pretty clearly not, since ME2, comics, and ME3 show that the specific hardware wasn't needed to make the jump after it was retrieved.

 

It's not like there was any compelling reason that it was hardware specific either. Unless the thing was a quantum communicator, where it and only it was tied to the relay, any signal it produced was going to have to be digitized and broadcast by the Normandy somehow. Like making a digital recording or analog sound, if you will.

Well, tbh, it is not really a proof. For all we know, EDI could've sent the specifications of the required hardware alongside software. We don't really know how Cerberus ships get past the relay, both versions work here.

 

But I'm OK with pure software explanation. This video seems to confirm it: Link

The main reason I thought of IFF as hardware was EDI getting affected by the Crucible wave, but I remembered that EDI is based on Sovereign tech, so its that hardware that gets affected. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Great. Bioware puts the details about the reaper IFF in the total wipe ending that only a few die hard people actually got. That really makes sense. It adds further credence to Bad Writing Theory.

 

But rise of Humanity = rise of the Mongols. That's about the expansion rate, and we never did see the collapse before the reapers arrived. Humans are speshul. They have better biotics than Asari... even though humans need biotic implants and Asari don't. We are the most genetically diverse species even though our mitochondrial DNA goes back to a single female.

 

Caleston, that lava pit, has a population of billions.

 

Clearly organics are more resourceful than we realized.

[themikefest]

Tali and Admiral Raan

 

If Shepard sides with the geth, Tali or Admiral Rahn make no attempt to stop the upload.  

 

If Shepard sides with the Quarians, Legion/gethvi attacks Shepard and is only stopped by Raan or Tali. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Great. Bioware puts the details about the reaper IFF in the total wipe ending that only a few die hard people actually got. That really makes sense. It adds further credence to Bad Writing Theory.

 

They also put it in the comics and references in ME3 itself. Bioware has plenty of weak writing in the ME trilogy, but the Reaper IFF not being Shepherd's personal pass isn't one of them. The fact that the Reaper IFF gives EDI a computer virus was pretty heavy (if not explicit) indication that it involved software.

 

I suppose we could lambast them for not dumbing it down even more, but I'd have felt insulted if Bioware felt the need to say 'you got a computer virus from computer code.'
 

[Dean_the_Young]

Tali and Admiral Raan

 

If Shepard sides with the geth, Tali or Admiral Rahn make no attempt to stop the upload.  

 

If Shepard sides with the Quarians, Legion/gethvi attacks Shepard and is only stopped by Raan or Tali. 

 

On the broader topic of the Geth...

 

Why is it that Xen's perspective of the Geth as malfunctioning machines to be reclaimed if possible treated as madness?

 

Why don't we get to disagree that the Geth are alive or have souls, even when Legion tells us that the Geth need the Reaper code to be 'truly alive'?

 

Why did the Geth get pinnochio syndrome of wanting individuality when the entire crux of Legion's arc in ME2 was that the Geth were collectives seeking unity?

 

Why did the Geth hole up on Rannoch in the first place?

 

Why did the Geth break negotiations with the Quarians?

 

Why do we never get to call Legion and the Geth out on their entire history of xenophobic isolationism being their own damn fault?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They also put it in the comics and references in ME3 itself. Bioware has plenty of weak writing in the ME trilogy, but the Reaper IFF not being Shepherd's personal pass isn't one of them. The fact that the Reaper IFF gives EDI a computer virus was pretty heavy (if not explicit) indication that it involved software.

 

I suppose we could lambast them for not dumbing it down even more, but I'd have felt insulted if Bioware felt the need to say 'you got a computer virus from computer code.'
 

 

Of course. It had to be software. I had the argument about this for months in 2012, but here's the deal. TIM gets the software from....

 

It's in the fail ending of ME2 - I never saw that because you have to really try to get that: it's probably the most difficult ending of all to get - and the comics.... Who read those things? All of them were written after the respective games for the purpose of patching up plot holes and filling in lore holes. The game story made people ask "how did that get there?" The comics supplied the answer after the fact. I'm not giving them a free pass on this.

[Dean_the_Young]

Of course. It had to be software. I had the argument about this for months in 2012, but here's the deal. TIM gets the software from....

 

EDI, obviously. There's a significant period between getting the IFF and the Suicide Mission proper in which she's still a shackled AI that belongs to Cerberus.

 

 

 

It's in the fail ending of ME2 - I never saw that because you have to really try to get that: it's probably the most difficult ending of all to get - and the comics.... Who read those things? All of them were written after the respective games for the purpose of patching up plot holes and filling in lore holes. The game story made people ask "how did that get there?" The comics supplied the answer after the fact. I'm not giving them a free pass on this.

 

 

 

In order- that's your problem, plenty of people, inapplicable in this case because it was in the respective game. The fact that there were 'fail' endings was one of the big marketting points of ME2, and it was among the first ending videos posted on youtube because it is quite easy to get if you take the shortest path to the finish.

 

There's no plot hole- there's simply content you didn't bother to look into, and didn't hear when people talked about it on BSN. I'm not sure why Bioware needs any sort of pass simply because you ignore game content.

[SuperJogi]

How about finding modern weapons mods in old soviet Luna probes.

Those commie scientists sure where ahead of their time...

[Heimerdinger]

I do not see any issue with the IFF. The Identify Friend or Foe system must be some kind of signal, controlled by software but generated via hardware contained within the derelict reaper (like a transponder). Cerberus boarded the reaper, located the software that creates the signal and installed it on their own hardware.  You actually find it out in the open in a lab like area and it does not resemble reaper tech. An image can be found here:

 

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/IFF

 

Of course the Cerberus scientists got indoctrinated and turned into husks, they never forwarded their findings. Then Shepard comes along and brings the IFF to the Normandy, where EDI is still a shackled AI and the Illusive Man still has remote control over the ship. Copying the IFF software and then installing it on the right hardware would be an easy task.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It would be an easy task, but in a story filled with ass pulls and plot holes, I expect some details like: "EDI just sent a copy of the IFF software to The Illusive Man." from Joker or Miranda after the derelict reaper mission. I mean it would make sense for him to have a backup plan, right?