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[Iakus]

How about finding modern weapons mods in old soviet Luna probes.

Those commie scientists sure where ahead of their time...

Not to mention thermal clips all over Aeia, when the Hugo Gernsback crashed there a decade before their development

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Ooops!

 

"Uh... they had prototype weapons." - a Bioware writer

[SuperJogi]

Ooops!

 

"Uh... they had prototype weapons." - a Bioware writer

 

Yes! The fact that our great soviet scientists already thought about equipping our future brave cosmonauts with advanced prototype weapons to fend off an alien invasion, clearly shows the superiority of socialist science!

Unlike those shortsighted western capitalists who didn't even bring guns to the moon!

[Heimerdinger]

Here's some stuff from the dialogue itself that does not make sense. According to their training these characters should know better:

 

Hacket: "Cerberus tried to take over the Citadel"

Anderson: "What the hell for?"

 

Hello? Galactic hub. Seat of the Council. Controls the mass relay network. How can the leader of the resistance and the Alliance's most decorated soldier not know this? But wait, there's more, from Shepard this time.

 

Cmdr. Bailey: "Getting my ass shot at while taking headquarters. Cerberus took in the first push. We need to kick them out of there."

Shepard: "Why?"

Cmdr. Bailey: "C-SEC is flying blind without the network".

Thane: "As long as Cerberus has HQ, they have the station."

 

N7 special forces officer failing to understand tactics and strategy.

 

Even more..

 

Engineer Adams: "In case of intense space combat this core could vent plasma into engineering."

Shepard: "And that means...?"

Engineer Adams: "Anyone in engineering would be vaporized."

 

For ****'s sake, Shepard could be an engineer. Spacer Shep lived on ships, any background Shepard is the acting captain, you'd think he/she would know these things. I never understood why the writers go along with the dumb space marine type hero. Cooper, the guy from Interstellar knew a lot of science and tech stuff and still was badass. Don't get me wrong, I like Shepard but maybe the next ME games can change things in this department.

[SuperJogi]

Here's some stuff from the dialogue itself that does not make sense. According to their training these characters should know better:

 

Yeah, obviously the characters should know better but of course you have to explain things to the (dumb) player. In this case it's just extremely poorly done.

For example, instead of putting the expository dialogue into in answer of a direct question by a character (which makes them seem dumb) put the lines together into one. Instead of:

 

Cmdr. Bailey: "Getting my ass shot at while taking headquarters. Cerberus took in the first push. We need to kick them out of there."

Shepard: "Why?"

Cmdr. Bailey: "C-SEC is flying blind without the network".

 

Do this:

 

Cmdr. Bailey: "Getting my ass shot at while taking headquarters. Cerberus took in the first push. We need to kick them out of there. C-SEC is flying blind without the network. "

 

Instead of this:

 

Engineer Adams: "In case of intense space combat this core could vent plasma into engineering."

Shepard: "And that means...?"

Engineer Adams: "Anyone in engineering would be vaporized."

 

Do this:

 

Engineer Adams: "In case of intense space combat this core could vent plasma into engineering. Anyone in here would be vaporized. "

 

It makes it seem like the character is just telling it along the way as part of an answer to the previous question. The player still gets all the information and Shepard doesn't have to ask dumb questions.

[Heimerdinger]

Yeah, obviously the characters should know better but of course you have to explain things to the (dumb) player. In this case it's just extremely poorly done.

For example, instead of putting the expository dialogue into in answer of a direct question by a character (which makes them seem dumb) put the lines together into one.

 

Or have Shepard acknowledge the problem.

 

Engineer Adams: "In case of intense space combat this core could vent plasma into engineering."

Shepard: "...and killing our engineers in the process. Can we do something about that?"

 

The player understands the situation and Shepard looks like someone with a brain. Also keeps the flow of the dialogue.

[SuperJogi]

Or have Shepard acknowledge the problem.

 

Engineer Adams: "In case of intense space combat this core could vent plasma into engineering."

Shepard: "...and killing our engineers in the process. Can we do something about that?"

 

The player understands the situation and Shepard looks like someone with a brain. Also keeps the flow of the dialogue.

 

Yes, this is an even better option. Makes you question why BW writers get paid for their work if some guys on a forum can throw something better together in 2 minutes.

 

Btw: My favourite dumb Shepard question will always be: "Asari can reproduce with their own species? *head=>desk*

Modifié par SuperJogi, 11 mai 2015 - 05:23 .

[Heimerdinger]

Yes, this is an even better option. Makes you question why BW writers get paid for their work if some guys on a forum can throw something better together in 2 minutes.

 

Btw: My favourite dumb Shepard question will always be: "Asari can reproduce with their own species? *head=>desk*

 

Maybe we should get ahead of Bioware and write Mass Effect 5 ourselves. Just email them the script when we're done.

[themikefest]

Here's some stuff from the dialogue itself that does not make sense. According to their training these characters should know better:

 

Hacket: "Cerberus tried to take over the Citadel"

Anderson: "What the hell for?"

 

Hello? Galactic hub. Seat of the Council. Controls the mass relay network. How can the leader of the resistance and the Alliance's most decorated soldier not know this?

 

The same reason he tells the Council about Shepard's visions

 

The same reason he has to ask Shepard of what to do to unlock the Normandy

 

The same reason he told Shepard its up to him/her to stop the reapers

 

The same reason he says it was the reapers that united the galaxy when it really was Shepard who united the galaxy

 

The same reason he sends Shepard in the area that has the most resistance

 

The same reason he heads towards Shepard instead of to the beam while the destroyer is distracted

 

The same reason we don't see him helping anyone get on the Normandy during the what-the-crap evac scene

 

The same reason he isn't seen helping Shepard shoot the husks and Mirauder

[MrFob]

Overall, it's not so bad though. They had Marina Sirtis do voice work in the first game and not once did she have to ask a really dumb question. That's quite the achievement.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce?"

 

"Think Shepard. Our species would have died out long ago if we couldn't reproduce with our own kind. It wasn't until we discovered interstellar space flight...."

[themikefest]

After Harbinger is seen flying away, Coats and a woman say retreat. Our forces have been decimated. We need to pull back. Why didn't Anderson get on the radio and say negative, get to the beam at all cost? He did say at the fob, No retreat, no stepping back and we move forward no matter the cost

[MrFob]

"I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce?"

 

"Think Shepard. Our species would have died out long ago if we couldn't reproduce with our own kind. It wasn't until we discovered interstellar space flight...."

 

I thought this one was really great actually. You don't have to choose that option, so it's really up to the player to make the decision to say that. I think the writers should put in more dialogue options for the player to feel really stupid after clicking them.

Getting a sarcastic "how stupid are you?" response is a good way to enable the player to fail at a dialogue choice without immediately punishing them with big time consequences for gameplay or overall story.

[Iakus]

I thought this one was really great actually. You don't have to choose that option, so it's really up to the player to make the decision to say that. I think the writers should put in more dialogue options for the player to feel really stupid after clicking them.

Getting a sarcastic "how stupid are you?" response is a good way to enable the player to fail at a dialogue choice without immediately punishing with big time consequences for gameplay or overall story.

Fallout: New Vegas has several of those options if you really tank your intelligence score.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Here's a good one: in 290 years since the Morning War, the Geth have not installed integrated weapons systems in their mobile platforms, and they have only forward sensors. Apparently they are not big on design improvement. One would think they would have at least installed a death ray, but I guess General Electric beat them on the patent.

[Iakus]

Benign anthropomorphism at work 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Benign anthropomorphism at work 

 

True, but I got to thinking... they did install integrated weapons systems on the armatures and colossus, but those models got phased out for ME3. Perhaps they were independent developments of the Heretics. Who would have thought the the Heretics and the true Geth would have been so different. Legion didn't. Sigh....

 

If you rewrote the Heretics, they trashed those models as "evil."

[illsteward]

Having read this thread, I must say that I haven't had such good laught in weeks. You guys rock!

However, now that I have after three years replayed the whole trilogy (never got it past ME1 in those three years, despite many attempts), I must say that in ME3, a lot of things makes no sense. To me, either ME2 is logical, or ME3 is. But they seem to contradict each other a lot of times. Also, I don't have all the DLC and any of comics (some were unavailable in my country until this year...), so pardon me if some things go against them or are explained there. But here's a few points I don't think were made ITT, but are still not making sense, at least to me:

 

1) Geth heretics and their station - When you encounter the Geth for the first time on Eden Prime, they are immediately hostile. They proceed upon this for the entirety of ME1, however, it would seem that they suffer from indoctrination. The same point is speculated with Legion. Seemingly, the Geth were indoctrinated by Sovereign (or should I say hacked?), and turned into thralls. BUT, on order for such a schysm to exist within Geths, we have to agree that either the whole station was quarantined nanoseconds after Sovereign uploaded his software (impropable), or it existed isolated from The Consensus  (imposible and illogical) or that even Sovereign could not rewrite combined Geth consciousnes, having instead opted for re-wiring of single server cluster (also impropable)

 

2) Bloody Council politics - Mass Rellays put the entire galaxy within weeks of travel's reach, three months tops from point A to B, as seen in books. Yes, the Council had to dabble in every possible system-scale conflict within those, especially when it came to extreme situations that threaten the whole Galaxy (Rachni wars, Krogan rebelion...). Furthermore, they are supposed to have a network of cover operatives all around the place, doing covert operations, dealing in shady and field politics. However, in TWO (EARTH) YEARS between ME1 and ME2, all they could do was fabricate a campaign on how the Reapers, the Conduit, and basically most of ME's storyline were a coup-d'etat (albeit it can be a successful one) of rouge human agent? Also, ok, by ME2 you work with extremists and with enough luck you can convince the Council to somehow almost reinstall you to the Spectre position. However, isn't that exactly what Spectres are for? Shouldn't they at least ask you WHAT HAPPENED? Or want a report on those two years? And provided Cerberus got as large as it is in Ascension novel, where they are a flip of coin far from launching a galactic-wide campaign, should they not be at least worried? Hell, should they not tried to reinstall another Aliance marine as Spectre (Virmire survivor anyone?) just so that they can send an agent to Cerberus? Can they not claim it's a "proving-ground espionage mission" for them to be installed as Spectre?

 

3) The entire Terminus Systems situation in ME3 - So basically, the Reapers attacked from batarian-controlled system? Or they tried to, anyway. While they were stopped, they still managed to get to Valak system to first of all wipe the Batarian Hegemony, create a nice huge army of Cannibals on top of that, and proceed with the apocalypse plan. Thus, they should logically have stronghold in the Terminus systems, and be able to (see point 2) operate there for quite some time before anyone even notices that the Harvest has begun. Furthermore, they have two very significant homeworlds ready for reaping. One is the Batarian homeworld, that got destroyed and huskerized before anyone as much as cared (again, a homewrold goes silent, there are news broadcasts, galaxy-wide alert, and the Spectres are all suddenly on vacation?) and the other is homeworld of the Vorcha. Now, assuming that the Reapers are not, for whatever reason, afraid to land there, or that the invasion was done entirely from space (I don't recall finding this planet in ME3, so...), what clever AI processing decided to pass on Vorcha as troop material? In both previous instalments, Vorcha are frowned upon BECAUSE OF THEIR BIOLOGICAL ADAPTABILITY. They are the scavengers, the dirty, the disease-ridden, BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT DISEASES, ACID, ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS, PLUS THEY REGENERATE FROM CRIPPLING WOUNDS... So why in the hell did Harby not harvest all warring clans of the Vorcha homewrold and proceed to create unstoppable army of Vorcha mutants, that - in adition to the almost perfect biology for assault squad - can operate in any environment and is almost innoticeable due to people not noticing Vorchas anyhow? Instead, the Vorchas outside of mercenary bands simply dissappeared or entered newly found "N7" mercenary bands (multiplayer).

 

 

I could go on for a few more points (the Reapers suddenly capturing all galaxy with no chance of conventional victory present after Priority: Cerberus Base even though "Allied forces are winning in key sectors and Reaper forces are slowly being pushed back"), but those three have lasted me for enough words and sentences to provide the audience with a material to discuss, or so I hope. I know that this is a bit stretch from the usual physics/AI/narrative discourse of such topics, but I started to notice those strategical and tactical discrepancies even in the first playthrought and they stuck out to me way more than the physic parts, so I hope someone will find them as relatable as the other points.

[themikefest]

While watching the video explaining the extent of Shepard's injuries, Shepard will say, "I didn't realize it was that bad."

Spoiler

 

When talking with Jacob at the beginning of ME2, he says that she/he was nothing but meat and tubes and he even says that Shepard was as dead as dead can be.

https://youtu.be/ktE5CD0HvYc?t=35s

[illsteward]

themikefest:

 

While watching the video explaining the extent of Shepard's injuries, Shepard will say, "I didn't realize it was that bad."

When talking with Jacob at the beginning of ME2, he says that she/he was nothing but meat and tubes and even he says that Shepard was as dead as dead can be.

 

That one actually makes sense. Lazarus project was a top-notch one-of-a-kind secret operation. Would the technology be replicated, you can bed Council races would use it to bring their dead heroes back many times over. Of course, without the station, it's impossible.

Meaning, Shepard had no real reason to believe Jacob. From what he knew, the last thing that happened was he got spaced, his suit de-pressurized and he lost consciousness. At that point in time, Shepard still thinks Cerberus is militaristic teroristic organisation with unknown motivations and reach. If you got captured today by terorist, and one of their trainees told you that "yeah, we build you, you were pretty much a piece of meat back then and we spent two years and bilion dolars rebuilding you", would you believe them? Or would you rather believe that you just passed out, they scavenged your nearly asphyxated ass from space and doped you until they needed you awoken again? Especially since you never heard about anyone restoring from being "nothing but meat and tubes".
I really think that this is rather logcal from Shepard. However, yeah, in a full-fledged RPG, the player should have a choice as to whether his character believes it or not (meaning at the ME3 videoterminal, and whether Shepard believed Cerberus two years ago or not).

[Vazgen]

Not to mention he's a simple grunt. Miranda could've clarified the project but she is obsessed about that control chip she never implanted into Shepard's brain.

[Vazgen]

snip

1) Legion mentions that those geth form a separate consensus. The geth "let them go".

2) No argument here. "Ah, yes, Reapers" is a disgrace.

3) Batarian space has nothing to do with Terminus Systems Khar'Shan is located in Kite's Nest cluster

Spoiler

Vorcha homeworld is located in Shrike Abyssal

Spoiler

According to the planet description

The Reaper invasion of Heshtok encountered little formal military resistance, but the harvesting process is slow. Destroying neighboring cities fails to intimidate vorcha, who become submissive only if physically dominated in person. Cutting off their water supply simply makes them adapt their bodies to get moisture from food. Allied intelligence hypothesizes that Reaper forces are not harvesting yet, instead seeking to immobilize Heshtok's population and prevent them from joining the fight for the galaxy at large.

Vorcha adaptability is of no use to the Reapers. They use tech for that. Note how the Rachni were modified to thrive in breathable atmosphere. 

[illsteward]

Vazgen:

 

3) Batarian space has nothing to do with Terminus Systems Khar'Shan is located in the Kite's Nest Cluster
Vorcha homeworld is located in Shrike Abyssal

<planet description>

 

Okay, my bad on this one. I thought that the Vorcha homeworld is in different cluster and I seem to have misplaced it. Regarding the codex entry, I guess the Reapers had the same strategical and tactical idea as I did, but undersetimated the Vorcha. Also, I did not ment the adaptability itself, but notice how none of the Reaper forces is made from regenerating species (Krogan, Vorcha,...) - basically it would be soldiers that re-create themselves and ideal husks. However, Krogan never got converted because the defense of Tuchanka was success and most off-world Krogans died in battle before they can be processed. I think that had the Vorcha not been tribal and basically indiferent to any mean of harvesting or control, Shepard and co. would have had much, much harder time...

[Vazgen]

Krogan were converted. Brute is a fusion of a turian and krogan. Codex:

The brute is a hulking amalgamation of turian and krogan victims of the Reapers. Because tissue from dextro-protein species like the turians is incompatible with levo-protein species like the krogan, implants regulate the brute's body chemistry to combat organ rejection.

It is the fusion of turian military skill and krogan blood rage that makes the brute such a formidable enemy, capable of destroying armored vehicles to get to the soldiers inside. Troops are advised to keep their distance, and, whenever possible, not engage a brute alone.

 

The war is finished quite fast, had we fought the Reapers for as long as the Protheans did, we'd face more and more abominations. Volus, elcor, vorcha, salarians... 

[MrFob]

The volus could have made great suicide bomber husks. Fill them up with toxic gas/a biological weapon, roll them towards the enemy and use their high internal pressure to explode them, once they are close, all the while making a disturbing hissing sound. It could have been really nasty (and kinda hilarious at the same time, who says the reapers can't have a very messed up sense of humor.).

 

AFAIK, there are also some great fan concept arts for husks of the other races out there.