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Speaking of midi-chlorians: This is a good example of a case where not explaining and just keeping it magic would have been the better idea.

 

I know this is off-topic, but I actually liked the concept of midi-chlorians.

 

One of the biggest arguments I get into with fans of my generation is that the original films made you feel that anyone could be a Jedi. And that was simply not the case. Even in the original films, being a Jedi was something tied to lineage. One could not simply become a Jedi because they trained to be one. Han, for all his determination, could never be one. Wedge, for all his determination, could never be one.

 

Something made one person a potential Jedi - something that everyone else lacked.

 

Even as a child watching the original trilogy, I never liked the Force as just some mystic thing that some individuals could tap into and that others were mysteriously cut off from. It makes sense to me that there is a biological reason that Anakin's children have a connection to it - that Leia's children have a connection to it, but that Han did not.

 

I have never liked the "some people are wizards and some are not" with no explanation given as to why some people are wizards trope that permeates both fantasy and space opera. A reason exists why these individuals have power and why that power is passed down through bloodlines. Otherwise, it would always be random without a discernible or somewhat predictable lineage - there would be no guarantee that Anakin's children would be connected to the Force nor that they would inherit his power.

 

It also makes sense in terms of potential Jedi being identified at a very young age, and why some Jedi are going to be innately stronger than others from birth as opposed to merely being a better student. I also very much like the fact that this is knowledge that Luke didn't know and thus as an audience we didn't know - that's what happens when a great society falls and part of its knowledge is lost. Yoda and Obi-Wan passed on the information they felt Luke needed to defeat the Emperor in the scant handful of months he was under their tutelage and that was all they passed - the nuances of Jedi society and all their great sum of knowledge were lost. Their primary purpose was to defeat the Sith, not pass down all that the Jedi once knew - and they only passed down what they felt critical to that goal given the restraints of time (and that Luke prematurely ran off to Bespin).

 

I can argue how successfully or unsuccessfully the concept of the midi-chlorians was executed in the prequels to one degree or other, but I don't have fault with the concept itself.


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midi-chlorians

 

I don't have a problem with the concept per se either. The problem is more that it doesn't make sense in the SW universe. It means that any jedi or sith could easily be identified with a simple blood test. Palpatine could have never remained hidden in the senate for decades, especially if the jedi order knows that there is a Sith Lord hiding there at the end of episode 3. The same holds true for all the jedi in hiding after the empire takes power, they would have quite an easy time hunting down jedis if they just have to poke everyone with a needle.

Also in a universe with highly advanced medical technology, does that mean I can make artificial jedis through genetic engineering? Can I get force powers by injecting myself with jedi blood?

Anyway, that's just a few of the problems and I'm sure there are more, but you get the point. It would have been okay in classic fantasy, but putting the magic stuff in your blood in a universe with advanced medical technology is stupid. Better put it somewhere harder to detect and manipulate, like the brain or something.


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How they avoided blood tests?

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Also in a universe with highly advanced medical technology, does that mean I can make artificial jedis through genetic engineering? Can I get force powers by injecting myself with jedi blood?

 

Actually, in the Legacy series (set aver a century after the movies)  That's exactly what Darth Krayt does.  He creates "Sith Troopers" by growing Force sensitive clones



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The Force and Jedi/Sith were okay in small doses, but once we started having hundreds of the space magic wielders running around the story quickly devolves into OP-Jedi worship.

 

  • Watch as Luke uses the Force to realign a moon's orbit!

 

  • Watch as Star Killer pulls a Star Destroyer out of orbit while fighting stormtroopers!

 

  • Watch Mace Windu as he single handedly takes out an entire Separatist Droid army and then Force Jumps to the top of a mountain! 

 

 

I liked a little more nuance in the Star Wars stories and games I played; films like the Original Trilogy, and games like Star Wars Battlefront and Republic Commando.



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The scene in the Normandy c**kpit just before Ilos. Why is Ashley/Kaidan, Liara and Tali in the c**kpit? They have no reason to be there. 


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The scene in the Normandy c**kpit just before Ilos. Why is Ashley/Kaidan, Liara and Tali in the c**kpit? They have no reason to be there. 

 

To show Ashley/Kaidan suddenly wussing out, and Liara being the brave one.  :rolleyes:

 

 

No, really though... I have no idea. That's my best guess.



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Oh boy, this is a bit ridiculous though, isn't it? A game is always just a representation of what is actually happening. I doubt Tali & company are always standing in the same spot on the ship for 6 month during ME1 (or think about how board Wrex must get). They may move about the ship while "we are not looking". Why are they on the bridge (Alliance ships have bridges, asari ships have cockpits ;))? Well, maybe because that's the best place where they can see what's going on and they may want to get an idea of what the opposition is going to be if they are going to go into combat soon. So this is not really something that doesn't make sense, it's more something that is not fully elaborated on on screen.

I think for every game, you need to be willing to fill in some blanks with your imagination and suddenly things do make sense.

 

Now, there are a few things in that scene (and others) where technically, I think the game does show things counter to the descriptions in the codex. For example,. the Normandy is running silent in a potential combat situation (flying through a fleet of geth ships). Why is the artificial gravity still on? Why aren't people in safety harnesses? Why is there no inertia from Joker's flying? Back after ME1, the devs did acknowledge though that in cut-scenes of space combat, they deliberately threw out the codex for better cinematic effect.


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If that's the case, then why isn't everyone on the bridge/c**kpit/whatever? Why not have Adams and Chakwas in that scene? How about the vendor guy? What about Garrus and Wrex? Why can't they be up there seeing what's going on? Its possible they may not be recruit. Yeah. So what. If they're on the ship at that time, why not have them in that scene?


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Cause they're at the bathroom? ... Oh wait! :D

Seriously though, I' stand by my previous point: unexplained =/= nonsensical.

 

If you really want an explanation, here is random explanation #547:

- Adams is at his post in engineering (as he should be in a potentially dangerous situation)

- Chackwas is at her post in the infirmary (as she should be in a potentially dangerous situation)

- Vendor guy knew better than to disturb the others on the bridge and he is not about to take an active role in events anyway so he is tucked away somewhere safe, near the escape pods

- Before that scene starts, Shepard asked Garrus and Wrex to prep the Mako in case they need it for the ground mission

There you go. Feel free to come up with any and all alternatives you like.


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And if Garrus wasn't on board, who prepped the Mako? Did the Normandy even have a mechanic? The SR-1 had no where to sleep or did they all hot rack in Shepard's quarters?

 

"Would you pleas do something about that Krogan? He takes up too much room. And he snores."

 

"I do not."

 

"Don't worry, we're heading to Virmire soon. Two of you won't be coming back."


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The codex has an entry on the sleeping pods. Granted, it sounds pretty uncomfortable but I actually kinda liked the idea that space travel wasn't exactly a pleasure cruise. ME2 had way more concessions to crew comfort on the ship. I always felt that the SR2 was more of a long term exploration vessel, whereas the SR1 was more set up for short missions and was expected to dock at a friendly space station more often, for the crew to get shore leave (which is pretty much how the ships are used as well, so that makes sense in a way, though I think Kasumi's room overdid it a little, especially with the poker table in ME3).

As for the MAKO, there are crew members on board the ship that may have various duties we don't know about. Some of them may take up the job of maintaining it.


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The codex has an entry on the sleeping pods.

As for the MAKO, there are crew members on board the ship that may have various duties we don't know about. Some of them may take up the job of maintaining it.

^This

 

Wrex can do something useful for a change. And Kaidan might stop guarding the door to Shepard's quarters ;)



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And if Garrus wasn't on board, who prepped the Mako? Did the Normandy even have a mechanic? The SR-1 had no where to sleep or did they all hot rack in Shepard's quarters?

 

Well in ME3 Wrex mentions that while he doesn't have a proper room (like Liara) he's at least not stuck in the cargo bay this time  ;)


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And speaking of Liara..... if Wrex is dead, Wreav really delivers if you don't have Liara in the party on Sur'Kesh. This is a good one.

 

Shepard: Are you ready to fight the reapers?

 

Wreav: That's like asking an Asari if they're ready to mate.

 

Shepard: On Liara's behalf consider me officially offended. 

 

Who the hell wrote Shepard's line? That's the best they could do? It's even worse when it comes from renegade-assh*le Shepard. Now I know canonically that Shepard and Liara are friends. That line should only have been delivered if Liara was your LI from ME1 and you had the "nookie" tag from LotSB. Maybe a response like "Catching up on your Fornax back issues, Wreav?" if you didn't.



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Yeah. That line was messed up. Too bad my femshep couldn't agree with Wreav. But see this is ME3, its for the new player. Well. Whare's ME3 for the player who played the previous games?


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I think it's because it's written by Dombrow. He worked in the movie industry before, and was just an ME fan before getting on Bioware. I think he just sees his own playthroughs as some kind of movie, and just expects people to be the same. He wrote Thessia, wrote Garrus' new "bro" role, etc.. He probably romanced Liara too, and thinks we should all be offended on her behalf or have a fit when her planet is attacked, over every other planet. That's "cinematic" direction for you.

 

Or maybe.... just maybe he does it to anger people on purpose. Because he also wrote Javik... who expresses disgust with all of these sentiments. It's all subliminal messaging, in order to make us more pissed off and miserable like Javik by the time the game reaches the end. Like we're living in a bad dream like he is.

 

... Yeah, that's it.


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Even for the new player, I thought it was overreaching. I thought Wreav's line was a hoot. But a non-Liara romancing Shepard should have at least given him a little chiding about it  "how do you know so much about asari mating habits?" if they wanted to keep it at least neutral for the new player. Wreav doesn't seem like the kind of Krogan who gets off Tuchanka very often.

 

Anyway it was a bad joke that was supposed to portray Wreav as the "Krogan brute" and the response really fell flat trying to be politically correct.

 

And FWIW, it is no secret that I romanced Liara.


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Even for the new player, I thought it was overreaching. I thought Wreav's line was a hoot. But a non-Liara romancing Shepard should have at least given him a little chiding about it  "how do you know so much about asari mating habits?" if they wanted to keep it at least neutral for the new player. Wreav doesn't seem like the kind of Krogan who gets off Tuchanka very often.

 

Anyway it was a bad joke that was supposed to portray Wreav as the "Krogan brute" and the response really fell flat trying to be politically correct.

 

And FWIW, it is no secret that I romanced Liara.

 

That's why I like you. You can be a fan, and still remain objective.

 

Well, I like you for other reasons too. ;)



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Why is it up to Shepard if the destiny ascension is saved or not? Shepard doesn't know how large a fleet the geth have outside.

 

I would have Hackett decide the fate of the destiny ascension. He can see what's going on. He knowshow many ships he has with him and can determine what to do. 

 

How he determines if the destiny ascension is saved or not is based on the player's playthrough in ME1. Did Shepard do any missions for Hackett? Shepard's background. What dialogue Shepard used when talking with Hackett? Other factors can be part of the decsion for Hackett.


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Why is it up to Shepard if the destiny ascension is saved or not? Shepard doesn't know how large a fleet the geth have outside.

 

I would have Hackett decide the fate of the destiny ascension. He can see what's going on. He knowshow many ships he has with him and can determine what to do. 

 

How he determines if the destiny ascension is saved or not is based on the player's playthrough in ME1. Did Shepard do any missions for Hackett? Shepard's background. What dialogue Shepard used when talking with Hackett? Other factors can be part of the decsion for Hackett.

 

That would be interesting. To Bioware's credit, they tried this approach in DAI with the Divine. Maybe they should do it in future games.


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Umh. 

 

My femshep is infiltrator but nearly every single cutscene she has an assault rifle in her hand. The thing is she can't even carry one in ME2, so i guess she grabs it from some soldier to use while "shooting the movie" then gives it back because it looks cool. She has a style to admire.

 

Or lazy coding. *flies away*

 

Edit: Another explanation can be she got it from a fan to autograph it just before cutscene started. I mean it is normal for David Gilmour to sign a guitar, Lady Gaga to sign CD, Natalie Portman to sign a movie poster so what should Shephard sign? Weapons or armor of course. So that's why it caught on "camera" maybe. (Don't remind me of post modernistic autograph that Shephard gave to Conrad Verner.)



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Umh. 

 

My femshep is infiltrator but nearly every single cutscene she has an assault rifle in her hand. The thing is she can't even carry one in ME2, so i guess she grabs it from some soldier to use while "shooting the movie" then gives it back because it looks cool. She has a style to admire.

 

Or lazy coding. *flies away*

 

Ditto for biotic classes. I hope they will start making class-appropriate cutscenes at some point.

 

Maybe at ME7 or ME8...


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Ditto for biotic classes. I hope they will start making class-appropriate cutscenes at some point.

 

Maybe at ME7 or ME8...

 

They do for the Jack romance in Citadel.