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[Cknarf]

They probably didn't have a placeholder for Jacob. His replacement does the same moves in combat as Jacob despite being a scientist. Dr. Webber is a badass

 

Looks like I know who I'm killin' off in this playthrough!

[themikefest]

I can attest to that. It's just the non-persuade Paragon choice (not turning in proof of her dad's involvement)

 

 

 

 

What StreetMagic said. Also. from the wiki:

Lie and say no evidence was found, gaining 30 Paragon points. Tali is found guilty of treason and exiled from the Migrant Fleet. She has six hours to leave. However, Tali's loyalty is earned.

 

I found this: Link

 

Apparently I was incorrect about 2 things

 

1) After going through all my ME2 playthroughs, I've never exiled Tali. So I was wrong in posting that I did. It was actually me giving the evidence to the Admirals leading to her being not loyal

 

and 

 

2) Me for saying her being exiled means she won't be loyal. I did load a save and did her loyalty mission and sure enough she is loyal even when she has been exiled

[SuperJogi]

What StreetMagic said. Also. from the wiki:

Lie and say no evidence was found, gaining 30 Paragon points. Tali is found guilty of treason and exiled from the Migrant Fleet. She has six hours to leave. However, Tali's loyalty is earned.

 

Good example of how messed up the "morality" system can be at times. Lying in court as a personal favor to a friend should really give you renegade points. The paragon thing to do would be to act in accordance with the law, present the evidence and let the judicary system make it's decision. Talis personal prefences should be of no regard and any hatred she has should be directed at quarian law, not shepard.

[Laughing_Man]

Good example of how messed up the "morality" system can be at times. Lying in court as a personal favor to a friend should really give you renegade points. The paragon thing to do would be to act in accordance with the law, present the evidence and let the judicary system make it's decision. Talis personal prefences should be of no regard and any hatred she has should be directed at quarian law, not shepard.

 

Not really surprising. A Paragon always thinks with his guts and emotions rather than his head.

Tali speaks to your emotions - therefore Paragon response is to lie...

[SuperJogi]

Not really surprising. A Paragon always thinks with his guts and emotions rather than his head.

Tali speaks to your emotions - therefore Paragon response is to lie...

Yes, and that's exactly why I mostly play renegade. Except for the unecessarily cruel ones, renegade options are most of the time not only more effective, but also more ethical, if you think about whats at stake.

[MrFob]

I do agree that it is better to tell them the truth. However, as far as "the law" goes (which seems to be a rather whimsical construct with the quarians anyway), Shepard is not under oath and s/he does not lie in the paragon response directly, it's more a lie of omission.

What Shepard actually says is just that no evidence is necessary to drop the accusations and that Tali's record and service to the fleet so far should be enough. You can even tell the admirals the truth later in confidence.

 

As I said, I also think it's better to tell the truth to everyone but I don't think the paragon choice is as bad as you guys present it here.

[Han Shot First]

How the **** did humans gain so much power? What the **** were the other Council races doing? Why the **** would they let this happen? How the **** is it even possible?

It is absolutely ridiculous how far humanity comes in this series. We showed up less than a century ago ffs and we're already running things. Complete and utter nonsense.

 

That was one of the things that did make sense about ME1. Species that had much larger and more powerful fleets than the Alliance would not realistically bow to human hegemony. To be fair however I think Bioware realized that after the fact and rolled back some of it. If you go full renegade humanity just strong arms its way into a Council seat, rather than coming to dominate the entire Council. 

[SuperJogi]

I do agree that it is better to tell them the truth. However, as far as "the law" goes (which seems to be a rather whimsical construct with the quarians anyway), Shepard is not under oath and s/he does not lie in the paragon response directly, it's more a lie of omission.

What Shepard actually says is just that no evidence is necessary to drop the accusations and that Tali's record and service to the fleet so far should be enough. You can even tell the admirals the truth later in confidence.

 

As I said, I also think it's better to tell the truth to everyone but I don't think the paragon choice is as bad as you guys present it here.

 

Maybe your right, I haven't played ME2 in a while so I don't exactly remember how the scene plays out. But I still think that you shouldn't get paragon points for basicly doing a personal favor by withholding the truth.

[Marolf]

Harbingers Mind Control ability, or better subroutine can obviously bend time and space.

 

As far as we no, he is with the reaper fleet in dark space all the time. As we can see in that cinematic of ME2 and as sHOtgUn jUliA stated before, this fleet is quite far away from our galaxy.

How can Harbinger control and even switch control in real time inside our galaxy.

Does every collector drone got a miniature Quantum Entanglement Communicator inside his body? Or something similar?

Seeing his hologram in Arrival DLC or the Collector Base might be possible because of a QEC, but in every Collector he just "assumes control" of?

 

Maybe i am wrong and Harbinger is just that omnipresent and omnipotent, but that would make it even more sad, that he could not stop 1 single human.

 

I wonder if Harbinger would buy the Normandy Crew a Beer in the Synthesis or Control ending (in the latter, ShepAI could at least force him to do so), now that we are all friends and stuff.

[SuperJogi]

Harbingers Mind Control ability, or better subroutine can obviously bend time and space.

 

As far as we no, he is with the reaper fleet in dark space all the time. As we can see in that cinematic of ME2 and as sHOtgUn jUliA stated before, this fleet is quite far away from our galaxy.

How can Harbinger control and even switch control in real time inside our galaxy.

Does every collector drone got a miniature Quantum Entanglement Communicator inside his body? Or something similar?

Seeing his hologram in Arrival DLC or the Collector Base might be possible because of a QEC, but in every Collector he just "assumes control" of?

 

Oh, reaper mind control violates current physical theories. Well consider me shocked. I will add it to the list:

 

1. FTL

2. ME fields

3. Mass relays

4. Biotics

5. Anything to do with eezo really

6. QEC

7. Asari mindmelding

8. Prothean mindreading

9. Anything that happens in the last 30 mins

10. Probably a million other things that I don't remember right now.

11. Reaper mindcontrol

 

There you go.

[Iakus]

I do agree that it is better to tell them the truth. However, as far as "the law" goes (which seems to be a rather whimsical construct with the quarians anyway), Shepard is not under oath and s/he does not lie in the paragon response directly, it's more a lie of omission.

What Shepard actually says is just that no evidence is necessary to drop the accusations and that Tali's record and service to the fleet so far should be enough. You can even tell the admirals the truth later in confidence.

 

As I said, I also think it's better to tell the truth to everyone but I don't think the paragon choice is as bad as you guys present it here.

What's interesting is that Shepard's speech can change based on what information you get from the other admirals, should you choose to talk with them.

[Vazgen]

What's interesting is that Shepard's speech can change based on what information you get from the other admirals, should you choose to talk with them.

Is there any video on how the speech changes?

[Iakus]

Is there any video on how the speech changes?

Unfortunately I can't find any.  But if you don't talk to the admirals, Shepard's speech focuses on Tali's character.  If you do talk to them, Shepard accuses the admirals of playing politics with the trial.

[Kadi]

If that's the case, then why isn't everyone on the bridge/c**kpit/whatever? Why not have Adams and Chakwas in that scene? How about the vendor guy? What about Garrus and Wrex? Why can't they be up there seeing what's going on? Its possible they may not be recruit. Yeah. So what. If they're on the ship at that time, why not have them in that scene?

Wrex is probably polishing his armor and garrus is calibrating the mako's gun of course!

[KrrKs]

Harbingers Mind Control ability, or better subroutine can obviously bend time and space.

 

As far as we no, he is with the reaper fleet in dark space all the time. As we can see in that cinematic of ME2 and as sHOtgUn jUliA stated before, this fleet is quite far away from our galaxy.

How can Harbinger control and even switch control in real time inside our galaxy.

Does every collector drone got a miniature Quantum Entanglement Communicator inside his body? Or something similar?

Its ok in ME terms.

Reapers are based on Leviathans, who can somehow induce/form biological QECs in lifeforms via their Orbs. Collectors were used and altered by the reapers over more than 50 thousand years, outfitting drones with a similar tech seems like a smart move.

 

Even if not every single drone has a build in QEC, there is only really one needed on the ship(s). As drones do not wander of too far, the 'lag' of standard radio transmission from ship to drone and back is likely not that much of a game breaker.

[Han Shot First]

Not really surprising. A Paragon always thinks with his guts and emotions rather than his head.

Tali speaks to your emotions - therefore Paragon response is to lie...

 

I think both sides of the morality spectrum have moments where Shepard makes an emotional decision rather than one that was well thought out. Slugging Al Jilani is a good example of that on the renegade side of things.

[Lord Snow]

Harbingers Mind Control ability, or better subroutine can obviously bend time and space.
 
As far as we no, he is with the reaper fleet in dark space all the time. As we can see in that cinematic of ME2 and as sHOtgUn jUliA stated before, this fleet is quite far away from our galaxy.
How can Harbinger control and even switch control in real time inside our galaxy.
Does every collector drone got a miniature Quantum Entanglement Communicator inside his body? Or something similar?
Seeing his hologram in Arrival DLC or the Collector Base might be possible because of a QEC, but in every Collector he just "assumes control" of?
 
Maybe i am wrong and Harbinger is just that omnipresent and omnipotent, but that would make it even more sad, that he could not stop 1 single human.
 
I wonder if Harbinger would buy the Normandy Crew a Beer in the Synthesis or Control ending (in the latter, ShepAI could at least force him to do so), now that we are all friends and stuff.

 
This is the codex concerning this topic:

 

Spoiler

Collectors: Harbinger
While monitoring outgoing transmissions sent by the mysterious leader of the Collectors to his minions on the battlefield, Cerberus intelligence experts also intercepted incoming transmissions. The signals were encrypted commands sent to the Collector General from a source outside the galaxy. This directing intelligence is likely the Reaper that refers to itself as “Harbinger.”

This indicates that the Collector General, previously thought of as a puppeteer-like figure, was essentially a mere conduit through which Harbinger mobilized the Collectors’ mission to protect and nurture an embryonic Reaper by providing it a steady supply of humans. In this way, the Collectors allowed the proto-Reaper to incorporate the human genome into its own construction, though why a Reaper would want such a thing is still unclear.

 

Harbinger sends signals to the Collector General, in turn the General relays them to the collector minions. The reaper's control seems to be implant based like the Sovereign-Saren connection. (Cerberus researched this and tried to use it in 3)

 

The signal itself can be sent and received in real time, could be a more advanced form of the comm buoys used by the galaxy races.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Good example of how messed up the "morality" system can be at times. Lying in court as a personal favor to a friend should really give you renegade points. The paragon thing to do would be to act in accordance with the law, present the evidence and let the judicary system make it's decision. Talis personal prefences should be of no regard and any hatred she has should be directed at quarian law, not shepard.

there is a difference between lawful good and neutral good, they are both good however

[Vazgen]

Good example of how messed up the "morality" system can be at times. Lying in court as a personal favor to a friend should really give you renegade points. The paragon thing to do would be to act in accordance with the law, present the evidence and let the judicary system make it's decision. Talis personal prefences should be of no regard and any hatred she has should be directed at quarian law, not shepard.

The mission is a favor to Tali. Thus the P/R rewards are based on her view of the decision. 

Though I think that ME2 morality system is the worst in the trilogy, so there is that.

[Marolf]

Arrrhhh the codex... it's all in the codex..... how could i....

 

@Heimerdinger

thx for the update

 

Maybe these com buoys are some sort of aligned mass relays, going from the reaper parking lot in dark space straight to the milky way. That could also explain, how they could travel such a huge transgalactical distance in mere months than in years, couldn't it.

 

But if Harbinger and his Collector pawns had permanent contact for 50.000 years, i am sure Sovereign must have had this QEC app aswell.

Why not asking Harbinger for help:

 

"Sov, wazzup?"

"Hey Harb, errr I've got a problem here. My remote to the citadel is not working."

"Oh no, you didn't poor goose over it again, did you?"

"No no, the remote is fine, i even checked the batteries."

"You need help? My pawns or something?"

"No I think  I can make it but thanks anyway. Cya Later."

 

Some Time Later

 

"Harb... ahhhh they got me... damn humans........ sorry i screwed it."

" Sov???? O damn. Well ok folks get up and get moving, we'll take the romantic route"

 

I know "LORE" is the answer to it, but i just wanted to mention.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's funny that every major decision involving Tali is about using data in one way or another. Her quest in ME1, then the loyalty in ME2, then the dispute with her and Legion, then Legion uploading the Reaper code at Rannoch.

 

Just an observation. Not relevant, I guess. 

 

I think her loyalty mission doesn't help the Quarians either way. The decision is all about how you think of Tali herself. Which is kind of silly... but whatever.

 

And if you talk with Xen AFTER the "trial" she'll ask you "are you sure you didn't find anything?" and you have no option to turn over the files to her.... because.... the writers want you to think she's a monster. But if you did turn them over, the Quarians might have attacked BEFORE the reapers invaded. Months of re-researching the stuff could have been saved. Who knows? Reasons!

 

You are not Shepard! Shepard is a dumb ass. You will progress along the plot lines we desire and believe what we desire. We will manipulate you into rewriting the Heretics and make brainwashing a paragon option.

[themikefest]

And if you talk with Xen AFTER the "trial" she'll ask you "are you sure you didn't find anything?" and you have no option to turn over the files to her.... because.... the writers want you to think she's a monster. But if you did turn them over, the Quarians might have attacked BEFORE the reapers invaded. Months of re-researching the stuff could have been saved. Who knows? Reasons!

 

You are not Shepard! Shepard is a dumb ass. You will progress along the plot lines we desire and believe what we desire. We will manipulate you into rewriting the Heretics and make brainwashing a paragon option.

That's right. You don't need to know why and there's only enough time to play the game and not explain it

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Nihlus jumping out of the Normandy without a parachute while it is probably traveling at around 170 knots and surviving.

[Iakus]

Nihlus jumping out of the Normandy without a parachute while it is probably traveling at around 170 knots and surviving.

"Was he wearing a parachute?"

"No.  No he wasn't"