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[Undead Han]

Asari maidens all running off to be dancers or mercenaries.

 

To be fair that one is probably just a racial or ageist stereotype, but it gets repeated several times throughout the series without any character pointing out how completely ridiculous that sounds. 

 

There must be billions of Asari maidens throughout the galaxy. Are we to seriously believe that there is demand for billions of mercs or dancers? And Asari civilization would have long before collapsed had so large a slice of it's population been concentrated in those two completely non-essential fields.

[Undead Han]

Something else that makes absolutely no sense...

 

[Vargeisa]

Quarians not having see through helmets doesn't make sense, if you believe Tali when she says the quarians are a social people.

Being able to read someone's expression is a big part of socializing.

[themikefest]

Vendetta. On Chronos it says it wasn't able to reveal what the catalyst was till the crucible was finished. It was programmed that way to avoid the reapers having to take the Citadel. Ok. But what's to stop them from taking it even if the Crucible is built. We still have to get the crucible to the Citadel. The reapers could still take the Citadel during that time. In the Prothean cycle they knew what the catalyst was before the crucible was built, so why not have Vendetta say what the catalyst is for us instead of waiting till the crucible was built? 

[Treacherous J Slither]

This thread is delicious! I am gorging myself here! Gonna get nice and fat!

[Undead Han]

Saren needing the Conduit 

 

He was a Spectre and had indoctrinated Asari military personnel in his service. Both had full access to the Presidium and could have seized C-Sec control without some Prothean-made back door to the Presidium from Ilos. Prior to Eden Prime not a soul would have suspected that either were traitors, and the Reapers were still thought to be a myth. They would have the element of surprise.

 

That makes me wonder if in an early draft of the script Saren had lost his Spectre status after his earlier encounter with Anderson. If Saren is already disgraced and stripped of his Spectre status, his needing a back door onto the Presidium would make sense.

 

Also problematic is that he attacks Eden Prime for a Prothean beacon. Why does he need that one when he has a Prothean beacon on Virmire? 

[Vazgen]

Shepard saying "this pistol doesn't have a thermal clip" after waking up in ME2. Thermal clips were invented when he was dead.

Speaking of which, the whole Lazarus project 

[Laughing_Man]

Shepard saying "this pistol doesn't have a thermal clip" after waking up in ME2. Thermal clips were invented when he was dead.

Speaking of which, the whole Lazarus project 

 

Do I need to even remind you guys about the mind-boggling stupidity and the technological leap backwards that is the invention of thermal clips?

 

I could understand a combination of the two systems, but to replace the reliability of a gun with essentially unlimited ammo with one that is so dependent on clips?...

 

At this rate in ME4 we might see a few new inventions: The Blunderbuss, the Musket, and towards the end we might get access to Ballista!

[Winterking]

Saren needing the Conduit 

 

He was a Spectre and had indoctrinated Asari military personnel in his service. Both had full access to the Presidium and could have seized C-Sec control without some Prothean-made back door to the Presidium from Ilos. Prior to Eden Prime not a soul would have suspected that either were traitors, and the Reapers were still though to be a myth. They would have the element of surprise.

 

That makes me wonder if in an early draft of the script Saren had lost his Spectre status after his earlier encounter with Anderson. If Saren is already disgraced and stripped of his Spectre status, his needing a back door onto the Presidium would make sense.

 

Also problematic is that he attacks Eden Prime for a Prothean beacon. Why does he need that one when he has a Prothean beacon on Virmire? 

I'm not sure that Spectres can walk into the Citadel Master control unit just like that... Even operating above the law, Spectres still answer to the Council. 

 

As for the beacon on Eden Prime, Liara said after she first melds with you that vision from the beacon was incomplete. She only finds out about Ilos after Shepard receives the vision from the 2nd beacon on Virmire. Saren needed both in order to find the Conduit.

[themikefest]

Do I need to even remind you guys about the mind-boggling stupidity and the technological leap backwards that is the invention of thermal clips?

 

I could understand a combination of the two systems, but to replace the reliability of a gun with essentially unlimited ammo with one that is so dependent on clips?...

 

Conrad agrees

[Laughing_Man]

Conrad agrees

 

I don't even...

 

Well. First time I have seen this.

 

Is this bioware's way of acknowledging criticism, or is this a veiled insult by equating everyone who said X to Conrad Verner?

 

By the way, have you noticed the arguments?

 

Verner uses logic, essentially saying: A spike in firepower is not worth losing the tremendous reliability of (essentially) unlimited ammo.

 

Shep says: But everyone...

[Laughing_Man]

I'm not sure that Spectres can walk into the Citadel Master control unit just like that... Even operating above the law, Spectres still answer to the Council. 

 

As for the beacon on Eden Prime, Liara said after she first melds with you that vision from the beacon was incomplete. She only finds out about Ilos after Shepard receives the vision from the 2nd beacon on Virmire. Saren needed both in order to find the Conduit.

 

I am not sure that the actual master control unit for the Citadel was known and accessible to the council.

That would be far too risky from the catalyst/Reapers point of view.

 

And even if they did, it is very likely that the Reapers would have some override switches somewhere else on the station.

[Heimerdinger]

Sword Fleet engaging the Reaper fleet in an all-out melee, well knowing that Reapers can grab your ship and physically tear it in half. Only fighters and frigates should go in to close range while cruisers should stick to medium range. Any closer and they can't align a shot with their main gun, restricting them to their broadside guns only. And those are kind of useless against reaper capital ships.

[Laughing_Man]

Sword Fleet engaging the Reaper fleet in an all-out melee, well knowing that Reapers can grab your ship and physically tear it in half. Only fighters and frigates should go in to close range while cruisers should stick to medium range. Any closer and they can't align a shot with their main gun, restricting them to their broadside guns only. And those are kind of useless against reaper capital ships.

 

I can't agree more. It's like the lore says one thing, and than the cut-scenes are made in the opposite direction out of spite.

[XAN]

Shepard's death in the beginning of ME2 makes no sense. He clearly has enough time to enter the escape pod but he stops to look at the explosions.

 

I can't agree more. It's like the lore says one thing, and than the cut-scenes are made in the opposite direction out of spite.

This happens a lot in the gameplay too. For example shields should only stop fast moving projectiles, but in ME3 they stop melee attacks too.

[Cheviot]

Near the start of ME1, when Shepard first tells the council that Saren is up to no good, they dismiss the accusations straight away. Yet when he comes back with some random Quarian (who owes Shepard their life) and an audio recording of someone with a voice like Saren, the Council instantly accept the same accusations without any further investigation.  Even today it's possible to fake a recording, either by using soundalikes or by careful editing of source material, so might it not be even more easy in the future?

[Heimerdinger]

I can't agree more. It's like the lore says one thing, and than the cut-scenes are made in the opposite direction out of spite.

 

Also, why is Shepard giving the "atack" order instead of Hacket who is fleet admiral? As for the space battle cut-scenes, at least the first part is well made. The fleet transits the relay en-masse to avoid spreading out to far. They open up with a long range voley from cruisers and dreadnoughts and take evasive maneuvers as the reapers return fire, then they send in fighter squadrons. After that the devs seem to switch to the awesome factor instead of lore.

[Cheviot]

In the trailer for ME2, the scene for Thane shows him doing all sort of melee rogue-esque fighting, yet in the game he's basically a sniper.  Even if they didn't make him more rogue-like, a power like Kasumi's Shadow strike would've been enough.

 

And Jack.  Talked up as one of the most powerful Adepts around, yet, once you recruit her, she's basically the weakest character.

[Laughing_Man]

And Jack.  Talked up as one of the most powerful Adepts around, yet, once you recruit her, she's basically the weakest character.

 

Yeah. They should have made her something like ME3's Aria. Her Flare ability is impressive, and her biotic bonuses even more so IIRC.

 

That said, I'm happy that they implemented some things of this nature for ME3.

[KrrKs]

Also problematic is that he attacks Eden Prime for a Prothean beacon. Why does he need that one when he has a Prothean beacon on Virmire? 

Considering how rare Prothean artifacts, especially functioning beacons, seem to be, he likely did not have one at the time. I believe he only acquired (another) one after the raid on Eden Prime.

 

Near the start of ME1, when Shepard first tells the council that Saren is up to no good, they dismiss the accusations straight away. Yet when he comes back with some random Quarian (who owes Shepard their life) and an audio recording of someone with a voice like Saren, the Council instantly accept the same accusations without any further investigation.  Even today it's possible to fake a recording, either by using soundalikes or by careful editing of source material, so might it not be even more easy in the future?

That's the council/Sparatus.

Guy mentioning Saren, who has never seen or heard of him before: Untrustworthy

Tali's easily fakeable recording: "Irrefutable evidence"

Giant Reaper ship, seen by multiple cruiser crews and station inhabitants, evidently not made by any known galactic civilisation: "We have dismissed that claim"

 

Anderson probably should have mentioned that the info about Saren came from a reliable fortune cookie -Sparatus couldn't have said anything against that!

[Undead Han]

I'm not sure that Spectres can walk into the Citadel Master control unit just like that... Even operating above the law, Spectres still answer to the Council. 

 

As for the beacon on Eden Prime, Liara said after she first melds with you that vision from the beacon was incomplete. She only finds out about Ilos after Shepard receives the vision from the 2nd beacon on Virmire. Saren needed both in order to find the Conduit.

 

That is a fair about the beacons.

 

But Shepard can access Citadel control with three armed companions in tow. You can pass through the area Saren later uses to open the Citadel for Sovereign, if you do Emily Wong's mission. Presumably if Shepard is able to wander through, so would Saren. 

[Pasquale1234]

Saren needing the Conduit 
 
He was a Spectre and had indoctrinated Asari military personnel in his service. Both had full access to the Presidium and could have seized C-Sec control without some Prothean-made back door to the Presidium from Ilos. Prior to Eden Prime not a soul would have suspected that either were traitors, and the Reapers were still though to be a myth. They would have the element of surprise.

I guess I always figured he needed the Conduit to get his geth troops onto the Citadel. He also had quite a few Krogan mercs - if our initial meeting with Wrex is any indication, C-Sec is not too keen on allowing them to roam the Citadel.

[MrFob]

Well, first of all, it never made much sense to me that Shep and company just walked around armed on the citadel in ME1 or 2. I always chalked that one up to gameplay restrictions but in retrospect, I do think it would have been much better if you would wear your casual outfit on the citadel (at least the presidium) in ME1/2 just like you do in ME3.

 

However, as far as Saren is concerned, he didn't just need to reach citadel control, he also needed to hold it for a time. From what we see during the final ME1 battle, it does take Sovereign considerable time to open the dark space relay. Sure, Saren could have walked into the council chambers but as soon as Sovereign would have shown up to interface with the citadel, it would have been clear that he was a traitor and there would have been a massive reaction by C-Sec. Without his geth and krogan, Saren would have been overwhelmed in no time and if Sovereign was vulnerable through Saren during the interface, who knows what other vulnerabilities Sovy might have had, that C-Sec could have exploited, once they were back in control of the council chambers after killing Saren. He needed the geth and the krogan there to protect him and the council chambers and the only way to get them on the Citadel in a surprise raid was the conduit.

[XAN]

I wish Bioware would look at topics like this instead of asking "what do you want in the next Mass Effect" on Twitter.

[themikefest]

The planet that the Normandy crash lands on after whatever ending was chosen except refuse. I have no idea what the purpose of that planet is for.