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[Laughing_Man]

Because ground forces still fullfill an important role in modern combined arms warfare? A gunship on it's own is an easy target.

You could argue that for the Normandies mission an armed shuttle might have been a better choice than an IFV, but I don't see how the existance of the Mako somehow ignores in-universe logic.

 

Well, I could see why using a ground vehicle is better if it's really heavily armored, but if you go the quick and nimble route anyway - the way in which the new mako seems to be designed, a flying vehicle with the ability to "hug" the ground when needed seems superior to me in every way. And considering the prevalence of air cars, you can't just say that an eezo core is too expensive.

[SuperJogi]

When we have the Hammerhead it invalidates the relevance of the Mako. Hover/Flight capability trumps wheels, this does seem like a Logic issue to me

 

Right, and the F-35 replaces the F-16, A10 and F-18, but all of these planes will still be in use for quite a while because replacing them all would be far too costly and you don't need the super fancy stuff for every task. The same holds true for the Mako. While the Hammerhead might be more advanced, the Mako seems to be a much cheaper, reliable and easy to maintain system. Which makes it a much better choice if your not on a well supplied mission with an entire maintenance team behind your back. And that might very well be the case in ME4, or do you somehow know more about ME4 than the rest of us?

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Right, and the F-35 replaces the F-16, A10 and F-18, but all of these planes will still be in use for quite a while because replacing them all would be far too costly and you don't need the super fancy stuff for every task. The same holds true for the Mako. While the Hammerhead might be more advanced, the Mako seems to be a much cheaper, reliable and easy to maintain system. Which makes it a much better choice if your not on a well supplied mission with an entire maintenance team behind your back. And that might very well be the case in ME4, or do you somehow know more about ME4 than the rest of us?

If they can declare that every single faction/race in the ME universe all switched to Thermal Clip technology at the same time within 2 years then a mass-switch to a 100% better ground vehicle for exploration/combat is totally sensible to me...your move

[Fixers0]

If they can declare that every single faction/race in the ME universe all switched to Thermal Clip technology at the same time within 2 years then a mass-switch to a 100% better ground vehicle for exploration/combat is totally sensible to me...your move

 

In terms of armament the Hammerhead is a significant step backwards though, The Mako has two state-of the art Mass Accelerator weapon systems. The Hammerhead on the other is equiped with archaic rocket system that travel at comparatively low speeds compared to mass Accelerator based weaponry.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

In terms of armament the Hammerhead is a significant step backwards though, The Mako has two state-of the art Mass Accelerator weapon systems. The Hammerhead on the other is equiped with archaic rocket system that travel at comparatively low speeds compared to mass Accelerator based weaponry.

Homing Rockets that do significantly more damage than a machine gun and cannon...totally worse right? Even then weapon system can be swapped since they are not relevant to the design/functionality of the vehicle, the "new" mako doesnt even have weapons

[Laughing_Man]

Right, and the F-35 replaces the F-16, A10 and F-18, but all of these planes will still be in use for quite a while because replacing them all would be far too costly and you don't need the super fancy stuff for every task. The same holds true for the Mako. While the Hammerhead might be more advanced, the Mako seems to be a much cheaper, reliable and easy to maintain system. Which makes it a much better choice if your not on a well supplied mission with an entire maintenance team behind your back. And that might very well be the case in ME4, or do you somehow know more about ME4 than the rest of us?

 

Probably also because I can't really see how an aircraft (F35) with a top speed of 1.6 mach is going to be used for interception missions.

He might be sneaky, but at this rate all his counterparts will just use afterburners and leave him behind.

 

Homing Rockets that do significantly more damage than a machine gun and cannon...totally worse right? Even then weapon system can be swapped since they are not relevant to the design/functionality of the vehicle, the "new" mako doesnt even have weapons

 

What's up with that? Are we going to race thresher maws until they die of exhaustion?

[themikefest]

How is it the uglies falling out of the sky and hitting the ground at a very high rate of speed take no damage, but Shepard can hit them a few times and they're dead?

[Laughing_Man]

How is it the uglies falling out of the sky and hitting the ground at a very high rate of speed take no damage, but Shepard can hit them a few times and they're dead?

 

Err... special mass effect fields. Also, Orc teknology.

[SuperJogi]

Probably also because I can't really see how an aircraft (F35) with a top speed of 1.6 mach is going to be used for interception missions.

He might be sneaky, but at this rate all his counterparts will just use afterburners and leave him behind.

 

Yeah the F-22 was supposed to take over that job, but that never happened, partly due to the high costs of the F-22. That's why the USAF still operates a fleet of the older F-16 and F-15. So my point still stands.

 

What's up with that? Are we going to race thresher maws until they die of exhaustion?

 

Who says there are thresher maws in Andromeda? But yeah, some kind of weapon would be useful, even if it's just a machinegun.

 

Homing Rockets that do significantly more damage than a machine gun and cannon...totally worse right? Even then weapon system can be swapped since they are not relevant to the design/functionality of the vehicle, the "new" mako doesnt even have weapons

 

If the Hammerhead was a real design it could carry up to like 10 missiles at most. Cannon and machinegun ammo, especially in the MEU where they don't need a propellent charge, take up significantly less space. Which is why ATGMs (Anti-Tank-Guided-Missile) are rarely the primary weapon of a vehicle. Also their effectivnes against infantary is fairly small, unless you also carry ones with an HE warhead.

[Laughing_Man]

Yeah the F-22 was supposed to take over that job, but that never happened, partly due to the high costs of the F-22. That's why the USAF still operates a fleet of the older F-16 and F-15. So my point still stands.

 

Well, yes and no.(regarding your point)

Yes, older technology is sometimes surprisingly more effective at certain jobs, but the new Mako has a new design, this is not older technology really, and a hover-craft or any other vehicle with low flying capability seems to me superior still.

 

Regarding the F-22, is it still more expensive than the F-35? I understand that initially the price of F-35 was very conveniently greatly underestimated.

In the end, I fear that the US and the other clients of the F-35 will simply have to buy the Eurofighter Typhoon, or be left with the inferior "multi-role" F-35.

I hope that I'm wrong, but this adventure feels like a huge mistake.
 

Who says there are thresher maws in Andromeda? But yeah, some kind of weapon would be useful, even if it's just a machinegun.

 

If not Threshers than something else. I do hope that this is not some kind of a pacifist statement, because that would be tiresome.

[SuperJogi]

Regarding the F-22, is it still more expensive than the F-35?

 

In terms of unit cost? No. But you also have to remember that part of the reason on why the F-22 program was so cost inefficient, was that it wasn't allowed for export. The F-35 is and can make some money back that way.

 

In the end, I fear that the US and the other clients of the F-35 will simply have to buy the Eurofighter Typhoon, or be left with the inferior "multi-role" F-35.

I hope that I'm wrong, but this adventure feels like a huge mistake.

 

Most of the F-35 bashing comes down to "It can only fly mach 1.6 and isn't very manoeuvrable", while completly ignoring the EW capabilities the F-35. So in a purely kinetic fight against a Su-35 S, the F-35 will draw the shorter stick, but you also have to factor in how unlikely that scenario is. I'm not going to make the mistake of saying that dogfights are a thing of the past, but data shows that long range SAM and AA missiles are a much bigger threat to modern aircraft and the F-35 is much better equipped to fight that than any other current multi role fighter.

 

Yes, older technology is sometimes surprisingly more effective at certain jobs, but the new Mako has a new design, this is not older technology really, and a hover-craft or any other vehicle with low flying capability seems to me superior still.

 

The two systems aren't even comparable imo. The M35 Mako (the ME1 one) is a clear IFV. The Hammehead? Not so much.

The Hammerhead relies on speed for protection and is armed with a weapon that is best used to take out armoured vehicles. That makes it suitable as some sort of hit and run tank destroyer. Since it is also able to transport a small number of presonal, it could also be used to quickly deploy infantary and the get back out again.

But it clearly lacks the weaponry and armour necessary to actually support infantary in a firefight. A slow moving or stationary Hammerhead is gonna be dead very qickly and the ATGM launcher is more for precise strikes againt enemy positions and armour and not suited for suppresssion in prolonged firefights against infatary. (It would totally suck in urban combat). The Hammerhead is more of a bastardized, shitty gunship than an IFV.

 

In regards to the ME4 Mako: We don't know anything about it's capabilities or the role it's supposed to take, so any discussion about it is kinda pointless.

 

I do hope that this is not some kind of a pacifist statement,

 

Don't give them ideas...

[Cknarf]

In the M-35: Target acquired. *Zap* Kill confirmed from across the map.

 

M-44: Target acquired. *bwoooooooooooosh* Well, that's not what I was aiming for, but okay.  Hitting the ground twenty meters away from my intended target because the missile had other plans works too, I guess.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

In the M-35: Target acquired. *Zap* Kill confirmed from across the map.

 

M-44: Target acquired. *bwoooooooooooosh* Well, that's not what I was aiming for, but okay.  Hitting the ground twenty meters away from my intended target because the missile had other plans works too, I guess.

The exact opposite of my experiences. In the Mako you have to hold perfectly still to hit the enemy with the cannon (not to mention if you arent on even ground with them you will not hit them), therefore making it completely worthless in mobile combat. The Hammerhead on the other hand works like the ML-77 Missile Launcher (which is likely what the gun actually is) which means "fire and forget". Hit the trigger about 5 times in their general direction and move on, the entire squad (and the armatures) is now dead

[Monica21]

The exact opposite of my experiences. In the Mako you have to hold perfectly still to hit the enemy with the cannon (not to mention if you arent on even ground with them you will not hit them), therefore making it completely worthless in mobile combat. The Hammerhead on the other hand works like the ML-77 Missile Launcher (which is likely what the gun actually is) which means "fire and forget". Hit the trigger about 5 times in their general direction and move on, the entire squad (and the armatures) is now dead

 

You can rock the Mako forwards and backwards while still zooming and firing. The armatures energy balls move at super slo-mo so they're easy to avoid. That's pretty much how I got across the pass in Noveria completely unscathed.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You can rock the Mako forwards and backwards while still zooming and firing. The armatures energy balls move at super slo-mo so they're easy to avoid. That's pretty much how I got across the pass in Noveria completely unscathed.

 

I don't think the geth designed the armatures that way. "Hey, why don't we make them so that their energy weapon can be dodged? Organics on Rannoch did not seem to adapt to this deficiency."

 

This leads me to believe the lead designer on the M-920 Cain was a geth infiltrator. They falsified the documentation to be "fires at 5 km/sec" but in reality it is a self-propelled projectile that travels at about 60 miles per hour.

[Monica21]

I don't think the geth designed the armatures that way. "Hey, why don't we make them so that their energy weapon can be dodged? Organics on Rannoch did not seem to adapt to this deficiency."

 

But... that's what happens in combat. Armatures are incredibly easy to dodge.

[Laughing_Man]

But... that's what happens in combat. Armatures are incredibly easy to dodge.

 

Which is very dumb when you think about it. This is probably best considered as a "game play only" thing.

[MrStoob]

Shepard takes the breath, and if you played iOS you were supposed to receive a message in the iOS app stating that your LI couldn't wait to visit you in ICU if you had this linked to your gamer account.

Really?  So they've basically said that 'breathing scene' is confirmation that Shep is in ICU and not dead then?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yep. That's what they said way way way back. They were having fun trolling us for months.

 

Shepard will still have to listen to people snicker about how (s)he thought asari needed other species to reproduce.

[MrStoob]

"So you'll have sex with anything?"

"Now you see how rumours get started."

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There are AA batteries, AAA batteries, but no A batteries. Why no A batteries?

[Monica21]

There are AA batteries, AAA batteries, but no A batteries. Why no A batteries?

 

Here's your Wikipedia article for the day: https://en.wikipedia...y_(vacuum_tube)

[Treacherous J Slither]

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this already but:

Remember that scene in ME2 during Garrus' loyalty mission where you're in that Citadel warehouse looking for Harkin aka "Fade" and that volus shows up and you EASILY GUN DOWN HIS KROGAN BODYGUARDS?

Well I call bs on that. No way two full grown krogan in armor go down to a couple of shots from freakin' handguns. Considering the absurd durability of krogan physiology such a thing should be virtually impossible.

[Ahriman]

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this already but:

Remember that scene in ME2 during Garrus' loyalty mission where you're in that Citadel warehouse looking for Harkin aka "Fade" and that volus shows up and you EASILY GUN DOWN HIS KROGAN BODYGUARDS?

Well I call bs on that. No way two full grown krogan in armor go down to a couple of shots from freakin' handguns. Considering the absurd durability of krogan physiology such a thing should be virtually impossible.

Curse of cutscene, all shields are off and every bullet is Death. Wrex, VS, mercs, bandits... it happens so often through trilogy that I stop noticing it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Personal shields don't work in cutscenes, nor do they work in the novels. Personal shields are a game play mechanic only.

 

Okay here's another one...

 

The Citadel uses Centrifugal Pseudogravity because of the rule of cool. To maintain the 1.02 g in the wards when opened to normal configuration, the Citadel must rotate at 3 rpm. Yet we never see it rotating at all even from a distance shot.

 

This makes me wonder what material they used to make the hinges that attach the arms to the Citadel Ring. And I don't know whether I'd want to try to dock a ship.

 

They probably should have used artificial gravity. I mean think. These were the reapers who built the thing. Think how advanced they were. Unless they had thoughts of a centrifuge in mind during reaper production.