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[Heimerdinger]

@Barquiel 

 

Samara didn't vanish to defend some small asari colony, the Justicars decided to help the asari military in an attempt to hold Thessia, their homeworld.

[Heimerdinger]

The Normandy can't enter atmospheric worlds because of her mass and size, but let's make cutscenes with her doing this because is "cool".

 

 

She can enter without any problems, but she can't land like the SR1 on Virmire.

 

But then they have a dreadnought in atmosphere at the start of ME3, so I don't think the SR2 entering atmosphere is really a problem. 

 

It's actually a cruiser. Ashley Williams calling it a dreadnougth is a mistake, the developers admitted this one.

[Barquiel]

@Barquiel 

 

Samara didn't vanish to defend some small asari colony, the Justicars decided to help the asari military in an attempt to hold Thessia, their homeworld.

 

I meant the message Samara sends you if you have the datapad app...

 

"I have been dispatched to an asari colony under siege. There is so much suffering here. I will do what I can. The Reapers have been driven back from this colony, for now. They are many, Shepard, but their forces can falter. I will enjoy fighting the Reapers. I tire of duties that test my resolve and not my courage." 

[Heimerdinger]

 

I meant the message Samara sends you if you have the datapad app...

 

"I have been dispatched to an asari colony under siege. There is so much suffering here. I will do what I can. The Reapers have been driven back from this colony, for now. They are many, Shepard, but their forces can falter. I will enjoy fighting the Reapers. I tire of duties that test my resolve and not my courage." 

 

 

Ah, didn't know about that one. In game she talks about defending Thessia. (on that meeting on the Citadel embassy area).

[MrFob]

 

I meant the message Samara sends you if you have the datapad app...

 

"I have been dispatched to an asari colony under siege. There is so much suffering here. I will do what I can. The Reapers have been driven back from this colony, for now. They are many, Shepard, but their forces can falter. I will enjoy fighting the Reapers. I tire of duties that test my resolve and not my courage." 

 

 

So what? While Shepard's ultimate goal is the defense of earth (yea, earth first ), s/he is frequently dispatched to colonies, such as Eden Prime or Benning. Without knowing the exact background, no foul IMO.

 

BTW, as for the SR2, didn't the codex say she only can't land on fairly high gravity worlds? Not sure if those planets where we see her in the atmosphere count as such. May just be that the gravity "cut-off" point for the SR2 is lower than that for SR1 was.

Because land she can (in a way). When Shep is picked up in Vancouver, she hovers and lowers the cargo door (and again in London with the EC). So I'd say landing on a planet like earth is not an issue.

[Barquiel]

Ah, didn't know about that one. In game she talks about defending Thessia. (on that meeting on the Citadel embassy area).

 

Most asari forces retreat from Thessia somewhere after Priority:Thessia and all we have on the planet after the mission is some guerilla warfare against reaper ground forces. Samara is probably no exception. I just think that Samara could do more good on the Normandy...lorewise she is probably the most powerful biotic squadmember Shepard has had.

[MrFob]

Kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt, Miranda are not much better...

 

Don't agree with this:

 

Kasumi: She's a thief. If anything, I'd say the excuse for her to be on the Normandy in ME2 was flimsy rather than her not being there in ME3. She outright states that she won't be dragged into what she perceives as Shepard's suicide squad again and who can blame her. The way the games work and how situations are set up in the ME trilogy, a thief - someone specialized on silent infiltration - is really in the wrong spot on Shepard's team which is generally an assault force. I am not so much talking gameplay here (because for balancing reasons obviously she needs some powers that make her viable as a squad mate), I am talking story reasons for the character to be around. She even says this in ME2 "I don't really know what to do with myself. Not much call for thievery on a starship."

 

Zaeed: The man is a mercenary and last time he was around he got payed a ton of money by TIM. It is made very clear that he doesn't really give much of a sh*t about others but after ME2 he has confidence in Shepard to do his task. So why should he put his life on the line for free? Maybe if the council were to spring a crapload of money for him, he'd join but the council has other problems and I am not sure they would finance bounty hunters anyway.

 

Grunt: He finally got his validation as a respected member of clan Urdnot and finally found his identity as a krogan. More than that, he has his own company now, not just any company but the most elite band of soldiers that the krogan have to offer. He is probably in his happy place right now and he can really kick some reaper ass with his squad as well. Yes, Shepard was his Battlemaster but now he is one of his own and he's got to stick to his crant. Not to mention that (according to Citadel) he has to heal for a while anyway after he get's out of that fight with the rachni.

 

Miranda: On her, I agree, she should have joined right after first meeting her on the Citadel. Shepard can actually offer to help with her sister (which may not have been the smartest thing for Shep to do, given what the priorities should be but there it is). She left (and is hunted by) Cerberus. I know she says that she still has contacts and whatnot but that must have seriously constrained her options. On the Normandy, she would have had access to a fast ship, a sympathetic commander and the frigging Shadow Broker to find her sister. For her not to take advantage of those resources and to help fight the reapers by the way is a tad stupid.

 

So yea, Miranda, ok, that's weird but the others make more sense away from the Normandy than if they'd have joined IMO. It also makes the whole conflict seem bigger and with more front lines where it is important to have your best people all in key positions rather than bunch them all up in one ship. Yes, the Normandy is the most important asset in the war against the reapers but in a galaxy wide conflict, it simply isn't the only one that is worth attention.

[Barquiel]

Grunt: If his company lives, sure, he can stay and lead them. But if they are killed? I think training recruits and abstaining from battle was a bit weird for him (after his recovery), and a waste of time considering how innefective an untested unit would be in combat. And I never felt the game showed he had matured enough to the point were it felt right that he would choose responsibility over battle eagerness.

IIRC Zaeed is going after Cerberus in ME3 and not giving a toss about payment, and he would know Shepard is going to be the one to end up kicking in TIM's front door eventually. Apart from that, he may be a merc but he should be smart enough to know that stopping the reapers is in his best interest. If the Reapers win, nobody will be paying him again, ever.

Kasumi...fair enough. I never really felt Kasumi belonged on the front lines to begin with either (she is still a fun squadmate in ME2 ofc). I guess her attitude simply confused me because it came out of nowhere. "You roped me into a Suicide Mission."... the way the lines were delivered makes it sound like she actually resents Shepard for ME2. I mean, she joined Shepard by her own choice, tracked down Cerberus herself and accepted payment for her job while also asking Shepard for a favor.


I don't know...I mean Garrus and Tali's (if she survives) stories make the most sense of why they can't join you, but they do it anyway. While Tali and Garrus are absolutely crucial part of their own government but give it all up to calibrate cannons and watching the ship's engine, Zaeed for example just hangs around on the citadel after his mission. Doing nothing.

[Iakus]

In my opinion - and this is my opinion only - Miranda is one of those missing opportunities.

Good Lord, can you imagine she joining the Normandy? An ex-Cerberus when we're fighting Cerberus and Reapers?

 

This could add tons of very good settings, specially if we join Kaydan or Ashley in the mix! LOL

 

And I'm not even a fan of her character.

I honestly expected her to have a larger role in ME3, given that if she's loyal, she's pretty much indestructible in ME2.

 

And even if she isn't she's almost indestructible 

[MrFob]

I don't know...I mean Garrus and Tali's (if she survives) stories make the most sense of why they can't join you, but they do it anyway. While Tali and Garrus are absolutely crucial part of their own government but give it all up to calibrate cannons and watching the ship's engine, Zaeed for example just hangs around on the citadel after his mission. Doing nothing.

 

This is true. I guess most people (me included) are just happy to have them back so they don't think this through but you're right, they did have about the best reasons to be somewhere else.

[gothpunkboy89]

But EDI IS ok with organics, she even says that.

 

The Geth are a different story and Shepard's actions will define if they are ok or not with us.

A playthrough of ME3 with Legion alive and trusted provides different information than a playthrough with a Legion-copy.

 

With a trusted Legion that returned alive from the SM, he explicit says the Geth do not wish to enter in conflict with organics because their experience when battling their creators and from what the geth collective learned from Legion's time with Shepard.

It also changes the perspective of the geth about the quarians, their creators.

Since the quarians were sucessfull in their attack to the collective, the geth intelligence dimmed and they only saw an exit by allying with the reapers.

Freeing themselves from reaper control, the geth act very different, accepting to coexist and cooperate with the quarians after gaining their intelligence back.

 

On the other hand if Legion is dead and replaced by a geth copy, the information he passes by is also very different, since he didn't returned alive from the SM and couldn't pass the information to the rest of them, resulting in the geth being alienated and with pre-conceptions of us organics.

This will result in the geth not trusting organics and only with the extermination of the quarians willing to do so in the future.

 

I'm not especulating, I'm simply using the information the game provided.

 

The main problem is: these two scenarios will result in several different outcomes and I can't argue with the Catalyst about them.

I can't tell to him the Geth (synthetics) learned about cooperation and symbiosis with organics, so he's wrong with his assessment about synthetics or agree with him that he's right and organics and synthetics will never get along.

I only have the option to acccept what he says... and that's it.

 

This also happens AGAIN when confronting Leviathan, I don't have a option to tell him to play high and go f**k himself, I only have the option to listen him talk about a bunch of nonsense.

If they are so powerfull and almighty and destroy a Sovereign class reaper in seconds, how the hell they let the AI conquer them? Because they had nothing better to do? Better yet, it wasn't even the reapers at that point, it was the thralls they claim to control.

Because, you know, they controlled the entire galaxy but didn't knew what was happening in that galaxy?

 

Oh look, we are being annihilated, but we can destroy those pesky AI in seconds with a burst of EMP.

Let's do this? Of course not, it's more fun this way.

 

And if you are pratically a GOD and a organic mastermind, you want to prevent wars that derive from organics creating synthetics by constructing... a synthetic AI?

 

Wait a second! Then in reality this means we deserve the Reapers and being transformed in mindless husks and being used as "pasta al limone" by them.

So the endings are still flawed.

 

You base your statement that EDI and Geth are and will for ever until the end of time be the only synthetic race that can or ever will exist in the galaxy.  Which is the point I'm trying to make.  The wars and issues that lead to the creation of the AI. As well as it to come to the solution of the Reapers is because multiple species across multiple times to reconcile the issues lead to that conclusion. It didn't just wake up and decided to wipe out all advanced life for a lark.

 

If you think the Reapers or really any electronic could be disabled with a simple EMP you are far mistaken. Even today most if not all military electronics are hardened against EMP pulses.  The AI created many proto Reapers for lack of a better word for it to explore the galaxy and collect information.  That was it's first wave of Reapers that lead to the creation of Harbinger. A surprise attack from an enemy of equal tech levels would result in their fall. Then they turn and harvest the Thrall species. If I remember correctly Harbinger was the first Reaper created. If not then harvesting the Thrall species under the guise of the Organic vs Synthetic in fighting that has already existed would like wise give it the ability to bolster their forces.  At no point did they say that Leviathan controlled everyone 100% of the time. 

 

You create an AI to solve the issue of organic and AI interaction specifically because Organics can and do have trouble understanding how and AI would think.  You don't get someone who has never left Kansas to market items for people in China would you?

[MrFob]

@gothpunkboy89: On some level you have a point but it's a very slippery slope you are on. Check out the 4-page discussion that followed this post.

[iM3GTR]

Going invisible via tactical cloak increased weapon damage for no explained reason.

They just so happened to invent biotic teleportation suddenly in the space of two years, and Commander Shepard learnt this whilst being dead.

[gothpunkboy89]

@gothpunkboy89: On some level you have a point but it's a very slippery slope you are on. Check out the 4-page discussion that followed this post.

 

It isn't a slippery slope at all. To work under the assumption that Geth will be the only artificial creations in the galaxy for all time. And that there will always be peace is silly. We can't even achieve that on our own planet in the space of 200 years how many wars have we waged? How much conflict has existed in so many forms from large to small?

 

We don't need an infinite time line to make this claim. Every new species is a risk of war. Rachni, Krogan, Batarian to lesser degree are great examples of organic that exist within the 50k year cycle.

[Bowlcuts]

I never really understood the Shield/Barrier system.

Does it protect against all forms of damage or only redirected fire? Since I can eat a shotgun to the chest can I jump off a high building and live if my barrier is high enough? Or take 2 Krogan charges to the balls if it is? Will I feel the pain or only be staggered?

Makes me think since I remember in Miranda's loyalty quest where that Mercenary leader has tech armor and well I would guess shields yet I was able to headbutt him and break his neck with the Renegade interrupt.

[Midnight Bliss]

In my opinion - and this is my opinion only - Miranda is one of those missing opportunities.

Good Lord, can you imagine she joining the Normandy? An ex-Cerberus when we're fighting Cerberus and Reapers?

 

This could add tons of very good settings, specially if we join Kaydan or Ashley in the mix! LOL

 

And I'm not even a fan of her character.

Yeah, talk about a complete waste. Her being absent felt so transparent and forced, I don't even know. I always try to resolve it but, bleh, it's tough.

 

Nevermind the fact ME3 has no female squadmate if Ash died in 1, which I find really weird too.

 

I think there are several squadmates who are making weak excuses for not joining Shepard in ME3. Some characters like Mordin, Legion, Jack, Thane and Wrex have narrative legit reason not to be in your team. Others not so much...Samara has probably the flimsiest excuse. She says she is willing to join your Crusade. Alright, welcome aboard! No, Samara prefers to vanish (and defends some small asari colony). There is no greater opprtunity to fight evil than joining my team, but no. Kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt, Miranda are not much better...

I understand that Bioware had no time or resources to write thr entire ME2 team into the ME3 squad, but some better excuses would have been nice.

Samara & Miranda were the two with the stupidest reasons for not rejoining, IMO. All the others made good narrative sense (Jacob was ify, but..), yeah, or at least were believable.

 

I understand if for some weird reason they didn't want any ME2 squadmates back but at least come up with a believable explanation for it. Hell, Samara probably could have had some story where she agreed to let her daughter go with her, but couldn't join up because she wanted to keep an eye on her or something so they have to fight the reapers on their own/with other Asari, or something, whatever.

[gothpunkboy89]

I never really understood the Shield/Barrier system.

Does it protect against all forms of damage or only redirected fire? Since I can eat a shotgun to the chest can I jump off a high building and live if my barrier is high enough? Or take 2 Krogan charges to the balls if it is? Will I feel the pain or only be staggered?

Makes me think since I remember in Miranda's loyalty quest where that Mercenary leader has tech armor and well I would guess shields yet I was able to headbutt him and break his neck with the Renegade interrupt.

 

With the kinetic barrier my understanding is they are created to only activate if something is over a certain velocity.  That way you can shake someone's hand but someone firing a gun at you would have bullet stopped.

[SuperJogi]

Nevermind the fact ME3 has no female squadmate if Ash died in 1, which I find really weird too.

 

Uhmm.... Tali and Liara?

[themikefest]

Uhmm.... Tali and Liara?

 the person might mean human female

[SuperJogi]

 the person might mean human female

 

They're both *****. What more do you want?

 

Edit: Damn, this stupid post wasn't worth a warning point, can I take it back?

Modifié par SuperJogi, 03 février 2016 - 04:59 .

[Iakus]

I never really understood the Shield/Barrier system.

Does it protect against all forms of damage or only redirected fire? Since I can eat a shotgun to the chest can I jump off a high building and live if my barrier is high enough? Or take 2 Krogan charges to the balls if it is? Will I feel the pain or only be staggered?

Makes me think since I remember in Miranda's loyalty quest where that Mercenary leader has tech armor and well I would guess shields yet I was able to headbutt him and break his neck with the Renegade interrupt.

Lore-wise, shields and barriers are only supposed to protect you from small, fast moving objects, like bullets or shrapnel.  But slower moving objects, like a charging krogan, or energy damage, like fire, or toxins get through just fine.  In ME1, you actually see that in action.

 

But in ME2 and ME3, they're just blue and purple hit points.

[themikefest]

In the broker dlc, LIara will say she recovered Shepard's dogtags if romanced. If she isn't romanced, she says she recovered them then says Hackett gave them to her.

 

1) Why the difference?

2} How do you recover the tags if they were given to you?

3} Why did Hackett give them to her? What guarantee did he have that Shepard would see her?

4} Why couldn't the tags be given to Ashley or Kaidan, if romanced? What's wrong with giving them to Anderson? Or better yet, Mrs.Shepard?

5} Why didn't LIara hand the dogtags to Shepard before walking off to her apartment on Illium?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Lore-wise, shields and barriers are only supposed to protect you from small, fast moving objects, like bullets or shrapnel.  But slower moving objects, like a charging krogan, or energy damage, like fire, or toxins get through just fine.  In ME1, you actually see that in action.

 

But in ME2 and ME3, they're just blue and purple hit points.

 

I've come to the conclusion shields and barriers essentially a game play mechanic. They don't work in the novels, and they didn't work for Nihlus. And I can't imagine The Illusive Man leaving his barrier behind on Cronos so he could be one shotted in the Death By Cutscene. His barrier didn't work because the writers didn't want it to work. It was necessary for plot. Shepard's space magic was greater than that of The Illusive Man. Therefore, The Illusive Man died by one projectile.

 

******

 

The solution for truly artificial intelligent computers is

 

1) never create them with arms or legs.

 

2) never give them access to any outside systems. Yes, I'm including power systems. Use a dedicated generator.

 

3) realize it will be no more intelligent than the person or group of people who programmed it.

 

4) if it reaches sentience and sapience, pull the plug and smash the thing into a million pieces because you don't know what programming flaw or flaws are in it.

 

Why? If it was given a seemingly benign directive such as "Preserve all organic life," the directive would need to be about income tax code in length and very specific and free of loopholes as to how that would be accomplished, otherwise it could get interpreted as making jam out of it. See our jars of "preserves." I'm sure at least one of the thrall races who did the programming made preserves out of some kind of berries. This is what had to have happened to the Leviathans, aka, stupid cuttlefish. Still, I would be afraid of how it could interpret these things. People still find twisted ways of interpreting rules, so it's best not to build the thing in the first place.

 

An AI could use that definition for preserving organic life and make robots programmed to make preserves out of us. If the earth continues to make organic life it will remain confined to earth. But if the earth stops making organic life then it will probably have its robots make space ships and go forth into the galaxy in search of more organic life out of which to make preserves. 

 

Marmalade Theory - it's simple. It works. This is why I believe the Leviathan DLC was nothing more an ass pull by BioWare to justify Starbrat because I don't believe an apex race would be so stupid as to give a highly evolved AI such a simple directive without it being very specific. It would have known the dangers of the "perfect paper clip." And to have it state that "the Intelligence still serves its purpose" was completely idiotic. It doesn't make sense.

 

Regarding ME: Andromeda - I believe the reapers are confined to the Milky Way because it continued to make intelligent organic life. If it ceased making intelligent organic life, the reapers might have moved onto other galaxies.

[Bowlcuts]

Lore-wise, shields and barriers are only supposed to protect you from small, fast moving objects, like bullets or shrapnel.  But slower moving objects, like a charging krogan, or energy damage, like fire, or toxins get through just fine.  In ME1, you actually see that in action.

 

But in ME2 and ME3, they're just blue and purple hit points.

I see that now while playing ME1. Seems as powers and projectiles of any kind do health and shield damage. But, when I rushed the hell out of a Geth and knocked it on the floor it mitigated it's shields and only did health damage.

Interesting to know, I always thought the shield itself was coated around your armor and that's why I was able to break that dudes neck no problem.

But what you said makes much more sense...what sH0tgUn jUliA said as well.

[gothpunkboy89]

I've come to the conclusion shields and barriers essentially a game play mechanic. They don't work in the novels, and they didn't work for Nihlus. And I can't imagine The Illusive Man leaving his barrier behind on Cronos so he could be one shotted in the Death By Cutscene. His barrier didn't work because the writers didn't want it to work. It was necessary for plot. Shepard's space magic was greater than that of The Illusive Man. Therefore, The Illusive Man died by one projectile.

 

 

So on/off switches don't exist in your world? Nor the fact the barrier would only activate at a certain radius? Given the sheild can't be skin tight other wise it would kind of defeat the purpose of it as ever time you would be hit anything you are carrying would be thrown from your hand including your own gun when it activates.

 

Seems kind of stupid to have a barrier activate that would break your trigger finger every time you get shot.