Yup, don't worry, same thing happens to me all the time. Instead, I get the good little dialogue on top of that where she says that I'm her damn boyfriend. I mostly avoid Aethyta because of that very thing.
Silly Natashina, don't you know Liara is your girlfriend no matter what you think?
What's weirder is that the bug hasn't hit all of my characters. It's been three out of nine Shepards that made it to that point. Well, a bug happens. Thanks for letting me know everyone.
If you are on PC, you may be interested in the BackOff mod by giftfish. It fixes this issue.
I accidentally The Krogan.
I find the entire concept of krogan birth to be completely baffling. So a krogan female can have 1000 children in 1 year. My question to the developers and writers of mass effect is this: How?
Like, let me phrase it in simple terms. Rabbits **** like crazy and have tons of litters all the time, right? That's where the expression "**** like Rabbits" come from, cause they're constantly having sex and constantly reproducing, and no wonder when you're basically all of natures prey animal huh? Kinda like the krogan on tuchunka per-industrialization, right? Makes sense as well when you consider that krogan have eyes on the side of their heads, which indicates that the krogan were a prey-species and not a predator species on their homeworld.
Going back to rabbits, you'd figure rabbits must breed faster then krogan, after all they're a fraction of the size and live a fraction of the age.Everything in nature incentives rabbits to breed super crazy fast, and you need to get into insects and egg laying creatures to get the rates of birth higher then rabbits. Rabbits per litter have about 1 to 14 babies a litter, accounting for deformations or complications. Rabbit gestation lasts 28-31 days, and because they are induced ovulators, mother rabbits can be impregnated again within minutes of giving birth.
So, you basically have 1 pregnancy a month, and assuming each litter produces 14 healthy babies, you have 168 rabbits a year per 1 female. Even cranking that number up to 50 kids a litter, it's not enough to cover how fast krogan populate. Krogan would need to give birth to 83.3 baby krogan A MONTH, and do nothing else but get pregnant and give birth for a whole year, in order to reach the numbers talked about in the lore.
That's beyond ridiculous, especially when you consider that a rabbits lifespan is 9 years total, and the krogan live for hundreds. In my opinion, something doesn't add up to this equation. If there were only, like, 100,000 krogan before, and only like 5% of the whole population is female, that's still 5,000 females, all getting pregnant and giving birth to 5,000,000 children in 1 year. 5% of that population would be 250,000, and that would make a population of 250,000,000 by the end of that year. At least, I'm assuming krogan children develop at a super accelerated rate. Why else would it only take a month from conception to birth a fully formed live krogan baby, let alone 83 of them.
The krogan have the breeding of an animal and race that lives a fraction of the lifespan and is at least a 4th of the side. In other words, Vorcha. They breed in numbers more accurate to the Vorcha then to a long lived species whose lifespan can reach 1000 years. It would make more sense if there was a periodic period of breeding and non-breeding for a the krogan to ever develop any sort of logic, where once every 100 to 200 years krogan females enter a year-long mating season and have a crazy big litter, and then a long strech of no-mating occurs. Hell, that's how every large population creatures do their breeding on this world, say for most mammals.
Given the massive numbers we see presented in the lore, and no explination to assure us that krogan don't biologically develop at a super accelerated rate and aren't ready to reproduce by age 3, the Genophage is probably the best solution. Why it was selected to work by essentially late-term aborting 83 babies in the womb simultaneously, and not just make it hard for the sperm to fertilize the eggs, I don't know. Probably so that we'd have some lovely imagery to all that genocide going on.
All I can think of is the cleanup. What happens to the 999 baby corpses per female per year? In my opinion the salarians and turians should run the krogan organic waste treatment plants. They literally engineered this mess to happen, it's only fair they literally clean up the after math.
It is in the wikia (now the keeper of the ME canon) that a fertile female lays a clutch of 1000 eggs a year.
I'm with Treacherous J Slither. The thing is that this is an alien ecology we don't have any information about. The extremely high natality of Krogan served to preserve their species in the very harsh living conditions they had to face. Usually, this issue would have resolved itself before the Krogan ever reached the technological level of space flight, either through evolutionary adaptation to better living conditions and/or through cultural imperatives introduced into the society. So the Salarians are really to blame for the problem
As for the biological issues, come on, on the one hand you want alien aliens but then, once we hear of something incredible like this, you are suddenly saying it's nonsense just because you can't compare it to humans or rabbits. How about we compare this to cane toads? See here:
The toads can breed at any time of year but seem to prefer the weather conditions that occur with the onset of the wet season. They will lay their eggs in still or slow-moving waters. Females can lay 8000–30 000 eggs at a time. In comparison, most Australian native frogs typically lay 1000–2000 eggs per year. Cane toad eggs hatch in two or three days and the tadpole stage lasts between four and eight weeks. In tropical conditions, the toadlets can reach adult size within a year, but this may take twice that long in colder climates.
8000 - 30.000 at a time! Now that's what I call a fertility rate. Remember when they were introduced to Australia? Well, I guess we could call it the cane toad rebellions, just makes you wonder which species will take the role of the turians. 
The Aethyta thing is a bug. There is an appropriate non-romance line, but it didn't seem to fire for some people (I know someone suggested that telling Liara to take a break when you first talk to her on the Citadel may trigger the erroneous dialogue with Aethyta later). The bug isn't doing anything wrong in my case, but I thought they have fixed it?
When you meet with Liara on the Presidium for the first time, and she's talking about arranging for supplies to be delivered, making contact with mercenaries, etc.
If you take the Paragon option (tell her to take a break) Aethyta thinks you are in a romance with her. That's where the bug is.
Of course, even if you aren't in a romance with her, Aethyta still implies that Shepard wants to get into Liara's pants.
I'm with Treacherous J Slither. The thing is that this is an alien ecology we don't have any information about. The extremely high natality of Krogan served to preserve their species in the very harsh living conditions they had to face. Usually, this issue would have resolved itself before the Krogan ever reached the technological level of space flight, either through evolutionary adaptation to better living conditions and/or through cultural imperatives introduced into the society. So the Salarians are really to blame for the problem
As for the biological issues, come on, on the one hand you want alien aliens but then, once we hear of something incredible like this, you are suddenly saying it's nonsense just because you can't compare it to humans or rabbits. How about we compare this to cane toads? See here:
8000 - 30.000 at a time! Now that's what I call a fertility rate. Remember when they were introduced to Australia? Well, I guess we could call it the cane toad rebellions, just makes you wonder which species will take the role of the turians.
The Aussies need to lay the smack down with a genophage on the cane toads.
Now I can't help but wonder how long it takes for those eggs to hatch. If it's less then a year, the galaxy is fucked in most people/s playthroughs. The krogan being giant space cane toads does put them a whole new perspective at the very least.
Now watch as andromeda informs us the krogan got re-genophaged off-screen in order to not have to worry about that choice.
Now I can't help but wonder how long it takes for those eggs to hatch. If it's less then a year, the galaxy is fucked in most people/s playthroughs. The krogan being giant space cane toads does put them a whole new perspective at the very least.
Now watch as andromeda informs us the krogan got re-genophaged off-screen in order to not have to worry about that choice.
Or perhaps Mordin's cure didn't work as well as he thought it would? Perhaps it only increased the birth rate to 3 out of 1000 instead of 2 out of 1000.
Or better yet, those Krogan specimens on the Ark were put there before the choice of the Genophage happened at all, which means they're still the same.
What a comedy ME3 is.
I think it's probably incorrect to compare the krogan to rabbits or any mammals.
They probably lay eggs or something.
Also, the krogan probably eat the dead babies. I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
It is in the wikia (now the keeper of the ME canon) that a fertile female lays a clutch of 1000 eggs a year.
I didn't remember that from the Codex but I remember Okeer referring to a clutch.
I didn't remember that from the Codex but I remember Okeer referring to a clutch.
From the wikia: Prior to the genophage, krogan could reproduce and mature at an astonishing rate. Females are known to produce clutches of up to 1,000 fertilized eggs over the course of a year. In present conditions, according to EDI, the odds of a krogan successfully giving birth to two females stand at 1 in 2,000.
Now I can't help but wonder how long it takes for those eggs to hatch. If it's less then a year, the galaxy is fucked in most people/s playthroughs. The krogan being giant space cane toads does put them a whole new perspective at the very least.
Now watch as andromeda informs us the krogan got re-genophaged off-screen in order to not have to worry about that choice.
The krogan have no warships, and their cured females are still on Tuchanka. The galaxy can smack them down anytime they want.
Resurgent krogan are more of a long-term problem.
The krogan have no warships, and their cured females are still on Tuchanka. The galaxy can smack them down anytime they want.
Resurgent krogan are more of a long-term problem.
And the reason the Dalatrass is so stupid is that long term problems only matter if you survive long enough for them to emerge.
So, just played a bot of ME1 the other day and two little things jumped out at me:
- When you have Liara in your team while defending Zhu's Hope and clearing out the "geth in the tower", She will say that now it's "save to get our vehicle out of the Normandy" and make our way to Exogeni headquarters. Finally, this answers the question whether the Mako we have on Feros and Novaria is ours or another one. But if it is ours, how the hell did they get it up the elevator that you need to ride to get to that garage?
- On Trebin, you find a abandoned set of sheds and eventually you will find the colonists dug up some alien artifact (clearly a reaper artifact, similar to object rho) at a nearby excavation site that turned the colonists into husks. After you kill the husks, Garrus has this comment for us: "I've seen this before. Colonists coming across technology that turns them into mindless fanatics." What? Where did you see this before Garrus? Why didn't you become indoctrinated (for that matter, why didn't we but different story)? Granted, at the time, everyone might have still thought it's geth tech, not reaper tech but it would still be worthy of a follow up and at the very latest after Horizon in ME2 when we find out that husks are definitely reaper tech, I'd have liked to know. The only people I know who came into contact with something similar are Jack Harper/TIM and Cerberus in the Evolution comic (I never read the Garrus Homeworld comic though, so maybe there is something there).
- Minor point but we kill about 25 husks on Trebin before we get the message that this accounts for all the colonists. What, so did they cram 25 people into 3 sheds?
The Mako / Feros / Liara comment thing is what happens when the writers and the level designers don't talk to each other constantly.
*snip*
"I've seen the way you look at each other. I'm surprised your panties haven't caught fire."
I usually get the bug where Shepard referring Liara as her girl instead of Aethyta's "a human commander who worked with Cerberus". But I think this was not a bug but merely the lead up to Liara's new romance which was often triggered if you're being paragon to her. Prior to Citadel Coup, your romance status isn't really locked to anyone with some exception for Garrus and Jack, so essentially you have a budding romance with Liara.
I think this was triggered in one of the cabin conversation when she was impressed and ask about how you're able to keep together and if you choose paragon, you're implying an interest and that she's one of the important people that matters. Ninja!
Why do Phantom's in ME3 have a pew pew palm gun that does more damage than any of the soldiers weapons? Especially since the Phantom is melee oriented and the soldiers are weapon oriented.
I usually get the bug where Shepard referring Liara as her girl instead of Aethyta's "a human commander who worked with Cerberus". But I think this was not a bug but merely the lead up to Liara's new romance which was often triggered if you're being paragon to her. Prior to Citadel Coup, your romance status isn't really locked to anyone with some exception for Garrus and Jack, so essentially you have a budding romance with Liara.
I think this was triggered in one of the cabin conversation when she was impressed and ask about how you're able to keep together and if you choose paragon, you're implying an interest and that she's one of the important people that matters. Ninja!
The trigger for the "boyfriend/girlfriend" line from Aethyta is in the first conversation you have with Liara on the Citadel after the coup (when she tells you to go to Barla Von). In this conversation, you can tell her to effectively to take a break or not. If you do not tell her to take a break and have not romanced her previously, you will get the "commander who works for Cerberus" line from Aethyta regardless of whether or not you chose the paragon options during the cabin conversation with Liara. If you do tell her to take a break, you will get the "boyfriend/girlfriend" line instead. I believe that, if you have romanced Liara during ME1, you will get the "boyfriend/girlfriend" line even if you broke up with her during LOTSB (but I'm not absolutely sure on that).
I can understand why people view this sequence as bugged, since telling a crew mate to take a break doesn't necessarily mean that a commander is interested in the crew member romantically. I use Liara's tendency in ME1 to jump the gun about Shepard's interest in her to explain that she mistakes Shepard's concern for her working too hard as being indicative of an interest and runs to the bar like a teenage girl with the crush and starts bragging about him/her being a boyfriend/girlfriend. This sort of behavior, however, would be out of character with her role as the Shadow Broker, who one would expect to be more practical and restrained... but anyone can have a lapse, I guess.
If would have been nice if they gave Shepard a WTF line option when responding to Aethyta.
If would have been nice if they gave Shepard a WTF line option when responding to Aethyta.
Aethyta: " Commander, I'm sorry I told you Liara's your girlfriend if she's not. I was under a lot of stress"
^ Its a trap.
Yep... next scene... Liara holding a bridal bouquet, Aethyta with a shotgun in Shepard's back, and Hackett (secretly Shep's dad) reading out of a "good book" (classic shotgun wedding). ... " That boy/girl ain't gonna stray into that feudin' Cerberus clan again!"
Aethyta: " Commander, I'm sorry I told you Liara's your girlfriend if she's not. I was under a lot of stress"
my femshep with a renegade response: Your daughter is ugly. There's nothing attractive about her. Besides that, she's not human.
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