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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The bubble was a biotic barrier. Hence Space Magic 

[themikefest]

Hey, at least they required armor to protect against the Oculus particle beam 

About that. It didn't protect against the oculus that got into the Normandy and instead of firing at the inside of the ship, the thing fires at Shepard. It would've been hilarious if the oculus went up into the c**kpit instead of the cargo bay

[Treacherous J Slither]

About that. It didn't protect against the oculus that got into the Normandy and instead of firing at the inside of the ship, the thing fires at Shepard. It would've been hilarious if the oculus went up into the c**kpit instead of the cargo bay

Who is that woman in your avatar? I've been meaning to ask for a while now lol.

[themikefest]

Who is that woman in your avatar? I've been meaning to ask for a while now lol.

Samantha Traynors VA, Alix Wilton Regan

[Treacherous J Slither]

Pretty cool. She's hot.

[Natureguy85]

I always thought that the fact that kinetic barriers only repulse fast moving objects is because of how they are set, not because of a physical byproduct of the ME field itself. They are set to only activate for bullets because otherwise a man couldn't interact with it's surroundings without repulsing everything. So I guess it is possible that Joker/Edi reset the shields of the Normandy to give them protection while ramming the debris.

 

In the case of the bubble however, the swarm bugs are moving relatively slowly. So even if you could somehow set the bubble to let slow things past (which I am not sure how you would do that), it doesn't make sense to me that people can just walk through in that case

 

When an ME field holds atmosphere, that works differently. It's described here (second paragraph).

 

And yea, Haestrom is weird, too..

 

You could be right, as "mass effect fields" refers to anything done with eezo, be it barriers or changing the mass of a object. The wiki on mass effect fields, though not the codex page, does mention using mass effect fields to push away debris from starships. Since it's not the codex page, I don't know if that was merely written to reflect the very instance from ME2 we are discussing.  To me, the bubble being projected by an individual would possibly have more control over what can and can't be blocked.

 

That page describes how the Citadel holds the atmosphere, not how mass effect fields are able to do it. It just says they do. But as I said above, there are different kinds of ME fields. I assume it means gravitational ones, holding down the membrane gas. I was more thinking about the ones covering the holes in the Normandy hull for everyone to walk around the cargo bay.

 

 

In this case the shields were reworked to function differently:

 

Cyclonic Barrier Technology (CBT) attempts to solve the higher-end limitations of traditional kinetic barriers. Traditional barriers cannot block high-level kinetic energy attacks such as disruptor torpedoes because torpedo mass effect fields add mass. The CBT violently slaps aside rather than halting incoming linear force. By rotationally firing their mass effect field projectors, ships create rapidly oscillating kinetic barriers instead of static ones. Shooting through the CBT is like trying to shoot at a target inside a spinning ball.

 

Hey, at least they required armor to protect against the Oculus particle beam 

 

We aren't given hard numbers but I have trouble equating a mass enhanced torpedo with a piece of debris that large, but the question is if the debris would even trigger the shields to react. Also, the real difference in the scene is power. The ship survives either way, but without the upgrade, there is an overload explosion (that doesn't stop the ship from flying...).

 

See I thought it should be the other way. I didn't think a particle beam was a laser (though light is both a wave and a particle blah blah blah) so the shields could stop it. Then the armor would allow for the scraping against the debris. Remember that defense against weapons is the reason Tali cites for needing the shield upgrade. I believe she says the Collectors "tore through" the SR-1's barriers, not that their weapon bypassed them completely.

[MrFob]

About that. It didn't protect against the oculus that got into the Normandy and instead of firing at the inside of the ship, the thing fires at Shepard. It would've been hilarious if the oculus went up into the c**kpit instead of the cargo bay

 

First of all, asari ships have cockpits, Alliance ships have bridges.

 

But yea, good point, I guess it couldn't because of all the indestructible crates and machinery that are standing around in the cargo bay.

[Iakus]

First of all, asari ships have cockpits, Alliance ships have bridges.

 

But yea, good point, I guess it couldn't because of all the indestructible crates and machinery that are standing around in the cargo bay.

Why can't hardsuits be made of the same stuff they make cargo containers out of?

[themikefest]

First of all, asari ships have cockpits, Alliance ships have bridges.

First of all, I don't care what asari ships have, and with Alliance ships, I know they have a bridge, and since the SR2 was Cerberus before it became Alliance, I just prefer calling it a c**kpit.

[Natureguy85]

Well wouldn't the "bridge" be the CIC where you stand with the map? Then the "cockpit" is up where Joker sits.

[MrFob]

First of all, I don't care what asari ships have, and with Alliance ships, I know they have a bridge, and since the SR2 was Cerberus before it became Alliance, I just prefer calling it a c**kpit.

Oh come on, I was just quoting one of Jokers worst jokes, it wasn't a stab at you, the setup was there and I just can't help myself. Sorry.

[StarcloudSWG]

I think "the creative use of the word 'cockpit'" was something EDI mentioned in ME 3 about Jack's attempted edits of reports to the Illusive Man during ME 2.

[Nicholas_]

Interesting

[themikefest]

Not sure if this doesn't make sense, but in my current playthrough, Miranda died in ME2 without completing her loyalty mission. After I completed the geth consensus mission, I got an email from Oriana telling Shepard about her father taking her somewhere. I wonder where/how she got hold of the email address to Shepard's private terminal. I guess its possible that Miranda somehow was in contact with her sister.  Or maybe sending a message to the asari, Lanteia, who was able to forward messages to Oriana with the email address of the Normandy, and if not her, maybe sent a message to Niket who then forwarded a message to Oriana with the email address to Normandy.

[Natureguy85]

Not sure if this doesn't make sense, but in my current playthrough, Miranda died in ME2 without completing her loyalty mission. After I completed the geth consensus mission, I got an email from Oriana telling Shepard about her father taking her somewhere. I wonder where/how she got hold of the email address to Shepard's private terminal. I guess its possible that Miranda somehow was in contact with her sister.  Or maybe sending a message to the asari, Lanteia, who was able to forward messages to Oriana with the email address of the Normandy, and if not her, maybe sent a message to Niket who then forwarded a message to Oriana with the email address to Normandy.

 

Everyone gets Shepard's email.

[Arisugawa]

I know this is a nitpick, but it's one that has always bothered me:

 

Priority: Citadel II - How does one fly a Kodiak shuttle into the Presidium from outside the Citadel?

 

Now, I'm speaking specifically in terms of the Cerberus lockdown, not during normal operations. The Presidium has to have some manner of massive cargo locks in order to bring in and remove the skycars (and other vehicles, such as construction / repair) that are in use. And since the skycars also take passengers to the various locations on the Wards, they have to be able to move in and out of the sealed environments.

 

But in the middle of the lockdown, with Cerberus controlling the docks and C-Sec headquarters, you'd figure that would be the first thing shut down to prevent C-Sec or military reinforcement from intervening. And you'd also figure that it can't just be any vehicle that can use the cargo locks - they'd have to have some kind of registered Citadel identification so that you couldn't use the cargo locks to bypass security checkpoints.

 

I dunno. It's always rubbed me the wrong way that the Normandy was unable to use the docks on the exterior of the Presidum, but Cortez had absolutely no problem flying the Kodiak into the Presidium.

[UpUpAway]

Well wouldn't the "bridge" be the CIC where you stand with the map? Then the "cockpit" is up where Joker sits.

 

In ME1, if you go into Captain Anderson's quarters and query him, he'll tell you to "Head on up to the bridge and tell Joker..." so he is clearly referring to the area where Joker sits as the bridge.  The CIC is the CIC, which is placed farther back from the bridge because it is based on a Turian design rather than a human one (per Admiral Mikhailovich in ME1 Snap Inspection).

[MrFob]

I know this is a nitpick, but it's one that has always bothered me:

 

Priority: Citadel II - How does one fly a Kodiak shuttle into the Presidium from outside the Citadel?

 

Now, I'm speaking specifically in terms of the Cerberus lockdown, not during normal operations. The Presidium has to have some manner of massive cargo locks in order to bring in and remove the skycars (and other vehicles, such as construction / repair) that are in use. And since the skycars also take passengers to the various locations on the Wards, they have to be able to move in and out of the sealed environments.

 

But in the middle of the lockdown, with Cerberus controlling the docks and C-Sec headquarters, you'd figure that would be the first thing shut down to prevent C-Sec or military reinforcement from intervening. And you'd also figure that it can't just be any vehicle that can use the cargo locks - they'd have to have some kind of registered Citadel identification so that you couldn't use the cargo locks to bypass security checkpoints.

 

I dunno. It's always rubbed me the wrong way that the Normandy was unable to use the docks on the exterior of the Presidum, but Cortez had absolutely no problem flying the Kodiak into the Presidium.

 

 

Ok, I am really not sure if I got this right but here is what my impression was:

- The Normandy does dock on the outside of the presidium ring in ME3 (and also in ME1, I think). In the docking area of ME3, you can see the wards on the side of the Normandy and the inside of the Presidium through the windows on the other side. So we are standing inside the Presidium Ring's ward-side outer wall.

- When we arrive with the shuttle when the coup is happening, I was under the impression that we also start close to the outer edge of the presidium ring. Our shuttle never makes it into the presidium. We traverse the ring wall on foot when we fight our way through the C-Sec Station and after the Kai Leng vs. Thane fight, we are on the inside.

 

I could be wrong, it's been a while since I played that section so I might have missed some detail that contradicts me but this was how I figured things worked.

[UpUpAway]

Ok, I am really not sure if I got this right but here is what my impression was:

- The Normandy does dock on the outside of the presidium ring in ME3 (and also in ME1, I think). In the docking area of ME3, you can see the wards on the side of the Normandy and the inside of the Presidium through the windows on the other side. So we are standing inside the Presidium Ring's ward-side outer wall.

- When we arrive with the shuttle when the coup is happening, I was under the impression that we also start close to the outer edge of the presidium ring. Our shuttle never makes it into the presidium. We traverse the ring wall on foot when we fight our way through the C-Sec Station and after the Kai Leng vs. Thane fight, we are on the inside.

 

I could be wrong, it's been a while since I played that section so I might have missed some detail that contradicts me but this was how I figured things worked.

 

I tend to agree.  The C-Sec offices are located in the Lower Wards, but the C-Sec Director's office is located in the Presidium.  Therefore, in ME3, the Citadel II mission begins in the Wards and Shepard and crew walk and fight their way to the Director's office in the Presidium - the first elevator ride being the transition point from Wards to Presidium.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Every time I see the name of this thread though...

[Arisugawa]

Ok, I am really not sure if I got this right but here is what my impression was:

- The Normandy does dock on the outside of the presidium ring in ME3 (and also in ME1, I think). In the docking area of ME3, you can see the wards on the side of the Normandy and the inside of the Presidium through the windows on the other side. So we are standing inside the Presidium Ring's ward-side outer wall.

- When we arrive with the shuttle when the coup is happening, I was under the impression that we also start close to the outer edge of the presidium ring. Our shuttle never makes it into the presidium. We traverse the ring wall on foot when we fight our way through the C-Sec Station and after the Kai Leng vs. Thane fight, we are on the inside.

 

I could be wrong, it's been a while since I played that section so I might have missed some detail that contradicts me but this was how I figured things worked.

 

No, we are inside the Presidium: https://www.youtube....h?v=bX5yP13-vRQ

 

The shuttle we are on flies through the Presidium itself and then through an upper corridor leading to the C-Sec sky-car station.

[UpUpAway]

No, we are inside the Presidium: https://www.youtube....h?v=bX5yP13-vRQ

 

The shuttle we are on flies through the Presidium itself and then through an upper corridor leading to the C-Sec sky-car station.

 

The shuttle clearly drives through the Presidium, but C-Sec itself is located in the Wards.  Only the Director's office was located in the Presidum.  Therefore, it is most likely that the "upper corridor leading to the C-Sec sky-car station" goes from the Presidium into the Wards.  In ME1, the elevator from C-Sec took the player to a level on the Presidium just below the embassies and Director Pallin's office.  Similarly, in the first part of Priority Citadel, Shepard and crew take an elevator from the C-Sec offices to a point just below the Director's office where they take some stairs up to the door of the office where they find the Director and one of his bodyguards dead.

 

The docks seem to inhabit an outer ring of the Presidium, since one would also take an elevator from C-Sec up to the docks in ME1.  In ME3, the docks are accessible by sky-cars and shuttles (e.g. Aria picks up Shepard in a shuttle right at the docks)... so there must be an access to the Presidium from those transport stations at the docks.  Yes, it is clear that Cerberus had control of Citadel Control (e.g. the equivalent of an airport's tower) but also consider that the Normandy doesn't have to actually dock to drop a shuttle and Cerberus just may have overlooked the shutting off of the transport station access points from all the various docks.

 

The scene was probably constructed the way it was just to give us a preview of the C-Sec soldiers on the Presidium battling Cerberus (including the Atlas Mechs)... all of which the PC would eventually be doing in that particular mission.

[Natureguy85]

In ME1, if you go into Captain Anderson's quarters and query him, he'll tell you to "Head on up to the bridge and tell Joker..." so he is clearly referring to the area where Joker sits as the bridge.  The CIC is the CIC, which is placed farther back from the bridge because it is based on a Turian design rather than a human one (per Admiral Mikhailovich in ME1 Snap Inspection).

 

Ok, well there you go then. I know about the Turian design. That was irrelevant to this discussion. The reason I questioned it is that i see the bridge as the command center, not the pilot seat.

[KrrKs]

About the Coup/ how the shuttle got into the presidium:

I'd say that cerberus likely opened all entries, so their troops could get everywhere fast.

 

The Kodiak-A is also equiped with rudimentary stealh-tech, so maybe the citadel sensors didn't pick it up, or it was mistaken for a malfunction/false reading.

 

What really bother me about that scene is that Cerberus just flooded the station, shooting at everyone for half an hour? A full hour? Even more?

Meanwhile the Citadel fleet sits just there, basically a few metres away from whatever Cerberus used to launch Cerberus-Shuttles, Cerberus Troops, and gorram Cerberus BattleMechs.

And they do absolutely nothing...

Where they all at lunch break, or are they Vogons or what?

"Oh, you are invaded, thats bad"

Modifié par KrrKs, 22 mars 2016 - 02:58 .

[UpUpAway]

Ok, well there you go then. I know about the Turian design. That was irrelevant to this discussion. The reason I questioned it is that i see the bridge as the command center, not the pilot seat.

 

Milkhalovich's reference seems to be suggesting that in typical human designs, the CIC would also be on the bridge.