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[Monster20862]

But if they explained everything, what would people have to cry about? Bioware lives off the tears of their consumers.

[Abyss108]

I've got a question for you ZeroMystic! 

Which game DO you think has good instructions? That teaches you to click on every single thing you need to click on? I'm honestly curious how many games have that detailed instructions.

[SofaJockey]

So wanting instructions for something I paid for, that has not been explained, is foolish and unrealistic? You serious!

 

It is.

I am.

It invited you to interact with it by its mere presence.

 

The rest of your reply is obsolete because you're using opinion to justify lazy developement.

 

Nope.

You're using your opinion to justify pedantic whining on several threads.

 

People outright lying about something being explained and having instructions when it doesn't, have no business complaining aboiut how they're being spoken to and saying the person's topic they decided to go into to pull that crap, was rude to them.

 

Like you, I wasn't posting to debate the matter with you, as that appears to be a bridge too far,

it was more in solidarity with the despair of the other posters.

 

Do you have this out of your system now or are we to expect more threads?

[ZeroMystic]

I've got a question for you ZeroMystic!
Which game DO you think has good instructions? That teaches you to click on every single thing you need to click on? I'm honestly curious how many games have that detailed instructions.

There is a difference between some instructions and none at all.

The war table doesn't have one single shred of anything instructions wise.

Here is what should have been said:
Missions and operations on the war table are represented by various icons. To start a mission or operation, click an icon and the instructions for that operation or mission, will be given

Visit the war table often, to see what new missions or operations are available.

Click the pyramid icon to start the scout the Hinterlands operation now.



How frigging hard is that to say? Covers everything you need to know about how to use the war table in one simple tooltip. But Bioware loves to turn games into complex school work, instead of making it easy as possible for people to play. If I can write a simple one no nonsense tooltip, Bioware sure as hell can.

Perhaps I should be writing instructions for thier games. This isn't about who can guess at things, this is about making the game playable and easy for EVERYONE to enjoy.

You think I like having to complain for days about lack of instructions? This mess has prevented me from playing a game I paid for.

[Abyss108]

There is a difference between some instructions and none at all.

The war table doen't have one single shred of anything instructions wise.

Here is what should have been said:
Missions and operations on the war table are represented by various icons. To start a mission or operation, click an icon and the instructions for that operation or mission, will be given

Visit the war table often, to see what new missions or operations are available.

Click the pyramid icon to start the scout the Hinterlands operation now.



How frigging hard is that to say? Covers everything you need to know about how to use the war table in one simple tooltip.

 

That wasn't my question... Could you name some games that meet your expectations for instructions? I'm just curious for some examples of what has worked for you.

[Monster20862]

Also, how are we supposed to know how to actually start the game!?! There are absolutely no instructions on what to do once you've installed the game. Nothing!

[SofaJockey]

I've got a question for you ZeroMystic! 

Which game DO you think has good instructions? That teaches you to click on every single thing you need to click on? I'm honestly curious how many games have that detailed instructions.

 

It's just as well that the 'Like this' button had the tooltip 'Like this item' otherwise I would not have known that 'Like this' referred to an item instead of the hand or the thumb.

 

 

(That is of course an ironic comment meant to highlight when additional instructions are not actually required, just to be clear  )

[Monster20862]

I thought the post was hitch hiking

[Monster20862]

I thought the post was hitch hiking

[ZeroMystic]

Also, how are we supposed to know how to actually start the game!?! There are absolutely no instructions on what to do once you've installed the game. Nothing!

That's totally irrelevant. Product maker is responsible for explaining how to use the contents of thier product.
But since you brought it up.

There are instructions for that in the manual. Which is not the same as what I'm talking about.

[Monster20862]

But there aren't any instructions on how to use the manual! I also can't read.

[Abyss108]

So no, you don't have any examples...

[ZeroMystic]

So no, you don't have any examples...

I won't give you any specifics because you seem to be missing the whole point to what I'm talking about. I will say what works. I really don't get why people cannot grasp a simple concept of give an on screen detailed instruction about hoe to use a games basic functions.

Like the explaination I gave above on the use of the war table, the key factor when it comes to this, is explain the basics, then use that as the learning curve. If a player forgets, then that's on them. But when nothing has been explained at all, not even so much as a tooltip, is where the problem lies.

You see this is not hand holding and yet gamers say it is, and never separate in game puzzles from the instructions on how to play.

[TaHol]

I'm still so very curious: how do you manage everyday  life? How frustrated are people around you daily basis? How many times, daily basis, you hear you should move out from you head?

[Abyss108]

I won't give you any specifics because you seem to be missing the whole point to what I'm talking about. I will say what works. I really don't get why people cannot grasp a simple concept of give an on screen detailed instruction about hoe to use a games basic functions.

Like the explaination I gave above on the use of the war table, the key factor when it comes to this, is explain the basics, then use that as the learning curve. If a player forgets, then that's on them. But when nothing has been explained at all, not even so much as a tooltip, is where the problem lies.

You see this is not hand holding and yet gamers say it is, and never separate in game puzzles from the instructions on how to play.

 

I'm just asking for an example of what works, to make things clearer! I don't think many people will be on your side if you won't help them understand, and I fail to see why you wouldn't want to show people what you mean, if you really believe this! 

 

Also, why do you think you are the only person complaining about this? People aren't shy when pointing out faults about the game. If everyone is getting stuck in the first 2 hours of the game, I don't think it would be selling as well as it is. Why do you think this is?

 

[lynroy]

I see that you finally made it out of haven - congratulation!

I was going to post the same thing!

 

I'd also like to elaborate on this list.

 

12. I haven't been able to play this game yet, because darned Sony didn't provide me with acceptable instructiins on how to turn the console on. I've read the manual countless times, but I just don't know which button to press, or where to put my finger.

 

Sony and BioWare are both at fault here.. how am I supposed to enjoy this game if I can't even get my console to work?

I can tell you where to put your finger....

[ravenesse]

But if they explained everything, what would people have to cry about? Bioware lives off the tears of their consumers.

They could whine about too much information. Or that you cannot deactivate the tutorial.

Just helping here

[lynroy]

They could whine about too much information. Or that you cannot deactivate the tutorial.

Just helping here

Needs more wine.

[BountyhunterGER]

I was going to post the same thing!

I think everybody who read his "can't get out of haven" thread (and the other ones) was going to post someshing like that

- I was just a little faster, hah

[BountyhunterGER]

More whatever this is

Spoiler

[ravenesse]

More whatever this is

Spoiler

And an emergency induction port.

[ravenesse]

And you've got your solution.

We don't care about correct in-game instructions because we wouldn't be able to read them correctly anyway.