its the watered down version... plot armor-half down
Sides you get used to it
I'd love to see statistics on the choice for Divine.
I feel like there are a huge number of solidly pro-mage freedom fighters here on BSN. I think in general, the majority of the player base leans pro-mage. At least that's what it feels like.
idk if i should keep going with my joke its nerdy lolBlah! Doesn't stop me from killing her so it's as you said, a watered down ver.
I suppose, nevertheless having my own perspective, opinion, belief doesn't stop me from befriend people from other side.
its a grey are and bsn polls are problematic at bestI'd love to see statistics on the choice for Divine.
I feel like there are a huge number of solidly pro-mage freedom fighters here on BSN. I think in general, the majority of the player base leans pro-mage. At least that's what it feels like.
idk if i should keep going with my joke its nerdy lol
Agreed sure we disagree but hey we get along
alright ill finish it; plot armor-half down makes her immune to destruction by magical plots... but can still be destroyed by battle. Then i set 2 cardsToo late, but look on the bright side you're not the only nerd here if you think your joke is nerdy.
In the end we all are gamer, and BioWare's fan.
Hmm...
Or some hard core Pro-Mage, Leliana lover, Cassandra hater can't resist the urge to gloat and shove their own opinion and belief down to other people throat, convincing them that they're right and other people opinion and belief is worthless, whether people like it or not.
It's also could be the other way around you know? But as you said "Take your pick"
>tfw Cassandra's reign is described as a Golden Age
>tfw she puts down rebels who were upset about her reforms
Its both more realistic than soft Leliana singing Kumbaya, and not without potential for further divides and conflicts
True. Except for the realism. I took the "miraculously" of Leliana's epilogue to mean more that she blackmailed and/or manipulated them. Mostly I just think the game tries to push the idea that compromise is not necessarily the best option.
Leliana is the only option that has any real chance of bringing peace and stability to Thedas.
I do NOT trust Vivienne. My interpretation of her character was that she opposed the Circles breaking away from the Chantry not because she truly believed in the Chantry, but because she'd lose her power and prestige as First Enchanter and court Mage to the Empress. She's not so much a Chantry Loyalist as someone who sees the Chantry as a path to her own personal power. That is ALL Vivienne truly cares about. She lived her life in the lap of luxury, with no experience or concern about the abuses that OTHER Mages in Thedas were suffering through. She wants power and authority, and has no concern for those who are hurt as a result. As Divine, she basically returns things to the way they were previously, recreates the same system that led to the rebellion and war. Most Mages are NOT going to return to the Circles, and even if she manages peace for a time, ultimately the same excesses and abuses on part of the Chantry and the Templars WILL become inevitable, and Thedas WILL be right back to war. The chances of the war restarting before Vivienne dies is pretty close to 100%. Honestly, in my opinion, Vivienne is worse than Corypheus. As bad as he is, at least he is motivated by some twisted belief that the world would be a better place with him as a god. Vivienne only wants power for her OWN benefit.
Cassandra is a better choice than Vivienne, but still has problems. Cassandra means well, but her reforms will ultimately be a stopgap. Templars or no, Mages are NOT going to return to the Circle system in large numbers, and they will not agree to be under Chantry oversight for long. Peace may last for longer due to Cassandra's reforms, but the abuse will inevitably happen again, and war between the Mages and the Chantry will ultimately return to Thedas, just as with Vivienne. maybe just not as soon. While her time as Divine will likely be relatively peaceful, there is nothing to stop Cassandra's successor, or some future Divine, from undoing her reforms, and restoring the same oppressive system that led to the Mage/Templar war in the first place.
Leliana ends the Circle system and disbands the Templars. While that may not seem the best option, it's the only one that will promise any true peace. The Chantry's actions have shown that it can NOT be trusted to properly police and protect Mages, that it will WILL eventually abuse it's power. The Mages are not going to tolerate that abuse. Allowing that same repressive system to return will just be doing it all over again. To have a chance at peace, Mages MUST be outside of Chantry authority. Period. Leliana's extensive reforms, and the alliance of the Mages and the Chantry with the Inquisition, allows for stability, as each group can serve as a check on the excesses of the others. The New Seekers of Truth can help to prevent the rise of Maleficars, the Inquisition can stop the Chantry from becoming too powerful again, preventing their excesses, and the Mages could serve to police the Inquisition and keep THEM from getting abusive and repressive. These reforms are the only chance there is at preventing the war from restarting, and the only chance at any real long term peace. While the possibility remains that the conflict will restart under Leliana anyway, it is still just a possibility, as opposed to the absolute certainty that will result from Vivienne's appointment as Divine.
Leliana is a gentle person who often sees the best in everyone. She also has the instincts to know when to use a firm hand. She understands that there is a time and place for force, and will not use it unless it's absolutely necessary. She's a good hearted and idealistic person, but one who nonetheless is pragmatic when she needs to be. And that makes her the best choice to prevent a war.
I see you've worked up to full froth.
I know you may not actually care, and I'm probably wasting my time with this, but yelling at people about all the reasons you're right and they're wrong isn't really a typically successful way to make friends or allies out of people who don't already agree with you.
Even then, sometimes it alienates people who do. I don't think Leliana is a terrible choice for Divine, exactly, but I don't think it will be a happy ending for her. I think the task of being Divine is a grueling, political, and tedious business. However she feels now, Leliana may grow to hate it. You might feel disdain toward this motivation, but caring about the future happiness of Leliana as a character actually is a perfectly legitimate reason not to want to saddle her with that responsibility for the rest of her life.
Also, could you please consider the possibility that not every single person who supports either of the other two is a Pro Templar? There are those of us extremely against the circle system who can still recognize the benefits of the reforms with whichever option is chosen.
Sometimes you sound like Adrian, scolding the other Libertarians for not being Libertarian enough.
i give adri points for conviction... and having red hair but selling out her best friend/ ex boyfriend makes me cringe a bitI see you've worked up to full froth.
I know you may not actually care, and I'm probably wasting my time with this, but yelling at people about all the reasons you're right and they're wrong isn't really a typically successful way to make friends or allies out of people who don't already agree with you.
Even then, sometimes it alienates people who do. I don't think Leliana is a terrible choice for Divine, exactly, but I don't think it will be a happy ending for her. I think the task of being Divine is a grueling, political, and tedious business. However she feels now, Leliana may grow to hate it. You might feel disdain toward this motivation, but caring about the future happiness of Leliana as a character actually is a perfectly legitimate reason not to want to saddle her with that responsibility for the rest of her life.
Also, could you please consider the possibility that not every single person who supports either of the other two is a Pro Templar? There are those of us extremely against the circle system who can still recognize the benefits of the reforms with whichever option is chosen.
Sometimes you sound like Adrian, scolding the other Libertarians for not being Libertarian enough.
alright ill finish it; plot armor-half down makes her immune to destruction by magical plots... but can still be destroyed by battle. Then i set 2 cards
Yup its just a game with no realism at all just entertainment
Hmm...
The same can applied to some Cass divine fans as well. I saw them keep doing the same things you describe too.
And congratulations you just misinterpreted my comment and twist that into Cass hater.
i give adri points for conviction... and having red hair but selling out her best friend/ ex boyfriend makes me cringe a bit
I'm a bit uncomfortable with Adriana's manipulation of Wynne, but the actual act of killing Pharamond is not something I totally disagree with, purely because I doubt he wanted to go back to living as a Tranquil.
you've activated my trad card! "redcliff conspiracy" it turns the game into a drawGood thing that I have only mage on my team right now then. I'll try to make it swift if I didn't feel like Fiona were such a nuisance.
Sometimes seeing all this endless bickering is entertaining, and stressful.
Not as often as Leliana Divine fan from my experience here. What's your point. Every side has a polite and rude people.
Thank you. Do I get a cookie or medal? I haven't accuse you of being anything btw.
i didnt mind it personally its out jealousy why she did it... made it personalI'm a bit uncomfortable with Adriana's manipulation of Wynne but the actual act of killing Pharamond is not something I totally disagree with purely because I doubt he wanted to go back to living as a Tranquil.
you've activated my trad card! "redcliff conspiracy" it turns the game into a draw
Its just stressful for me nowadays so i just make witty remarks and obscure references
i give adri points for conviction... and having red hair but selling out her best friend/ ex boyfriend makes me cringe a bit
I'd enjoy her a little more as a character if she weren't always taking exactly the attitude to rub other people the wrong way most of the time.
Honey and vinegar, and everything. At least Anders tried to actually appeal to people's empathy now and then.
Not as often as Leliana Divine fan from my experience here. What's your point. Every side has a polite and rude people.
Leliana makes a great Divine as long as we're not talking about her alter ego, Crazy McStabby.
I swear people just call her that because she doesn't listen to you and kills Natalie anway.
hehe thats the point 2nd set card open "the mages were brainwashed" causing a big arguement leaving neither the victorOh! But you've already lost Ferelden's monarch's trust no matter the outcome. Your people are temporary banish from Ferelden. It's a stalemate.
Yeah, it's streesful for me as well. At least we try to make witty remarks.
I swear people just call her that because she doesn't listen to you and kills Natalie anway.
She's always been a bit of a loon, though. Even since Origins.
she's a flawed person has conviction... just no charisma... should rolled higher for a boost. As for anders totally agree i was with him til he went justandersI'd enjoy her a little more as a character if she weren't always taking exactly the attitude to rub other people the wrong way most of the time.
Honey and vinegar, and everything. At least Anders tried to actually appeal to people's empathy now and then.
"Your experience" Finally someone who not claim opinion as fact.
And my point is what your said. Both side have polite, reasonable and rude, unreasonable.
Forever Stalemate? That seems about right. Now they shall wages eternal war against one another forever. XDhehe thats the point 2nd set card open "the mages were brainwashed" causing a big arguement leaving neither the victor
Yup im doing it now... im the sheriff
i have the gall... but its so much work to type it... its 50+ words lolBelieve it or not, but I don't have the gall to claim opinion as fact, although I can't say the same for other people.
Yep, people are people. Glad we're not at each other throat. I'm just expressing my opinion.
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