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[Loghain Mac-Tir]

About the Orsino insanity moment... does no one else consider the fact that if Templars are where your Hawke and Orsino were then 90% of the circle has already been annulled? Orsino's Bsod is completely legitimate, his actions after? Debatable.

 

It'd make sense if Hawke supported the Templars, not so much if Hawke risked his own ass (especially a non mage Hawke) to save the Mages, and instead of helping Hawke fight the templars, he made Hawke fight him. Essentially snatching a defeat from the jaws of victory. 

 

Also he knew about Quentin and his 'hobby' or at the very least that he was a blood mage. So he wasn't as innocent as everyone thinks he was, in fact I consider him more evil than Meredith, both are batsh!t crazy, but he doesn't have an artifact to blame, he is like that on his own.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

I'd like to point out that your Hawke is not the same Hawke in DAI. Bioware owns Hawke now, and Bioware's Hawke hates and is against Blood Magic. Deal with it. Plus, there have been 3-4 years between da2 and dai, something could've happened in that time that turned Hawke away from the craft.

 

Although I mostly agree with you. 'Deal with it' is likely not the correct way to get your point across, even if you are right, you will most likely end antagonizing your opposition, who then wouldn't care much for an actual debate, but would be more focused on proving you wrong. At least from my experience anyway.

[KaiserShep]

Because all people are stupid like Batman right?

"Oh my mommy was killed by guns then I will never use guns"
Or something like that, I don't even know Batman, DC sux

Anyway... if someone kills a family member with a knife "no more knives, ever, knives are evil"
If someone is killed by a car, never driving again

If it is an alergic reaction to a medicine, never taking any meds again

Yeah completely mature and understandable

 

Bioware is wrong, but Bioware does EVERYTHING wrong, so there is no point in arguing anything, Bioware = Wrong

Dude made it pretty clear early that if there are cameos they are going to screw it so you better don't ask them to bring anyone back from previous games because they are too incompetent to make something reasonable, and since dude is dev on Bioware I'm gonna take his advice

 

Making a topic about Bioware doing something wrong it is like stating that there is a sun, or that we need oxygen or that blood runs in our veins. Just make a topic like "Bioware wrote lines for Hawke", it is implied all lines are ridiculous and shouldn't be in the game. DAI shouldn't exist the whole game is a big mistake, if there is Hawke, Hawke is a mistake there. Everything is wrong and sick and retarded. There are no redeeming qualities, just flaws on top of flaws, it is broken, it causes nauseating pain just to look at the screen.

 

BioWare is a failure! As big as this! A very clever deception indeed! Guh. Guh.

 

Alalalalalalalalalalalalalalala!

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

BioWare is a failure! As big as this! A very clever deception indeed! Guh. Guh.

 

Alalalalalalalalalalalalalalala!

 

I forgot,how fu*king funny that scene was, should have posted the video for extra emphasis . 

[KaiserShep]

One of my all-time favorite films.

[ElementalFury106]

Even if you role-play your Hawke to not inherently have an issue with Blood Magic, there are plenty of events in DA:2 that could alter the morals of anybody. Remember, Hawke has had pretty much 10 years to contemplate the effects Blood Magic has had on his life...

 

-His father was forced to use Blood Magic in an ultimatum to save his mother and Hawke himself

 

-A Blood Mage almost succeeded in making Hawke commit suicide through mind control magic.

 

-A twisted Blood Mage murdered his mother and several other women in a mad experiment of Necromancy

 

-Several accounts of fighting Blood Mages who sacrifice innocents.

 

-Blood Mage extremists captured and threatened the lives of his brother/sister (or romances/best friend, depending on playthrough choices)

 

-Orsino's betrayal of Hawke, his fellow Mages, and his own ideals through Blood Magic

 

 

Yeah...when you spend 10 years going through and contemplating those events...you don't really come out indifferent about Blood Magic. Hawke perceptions are a result of his own experiences, regardless of how you role-played him during DA:2.

[leaguer of one]

I don't know about that, I never played  blood mage, but I don't remember did Hawke ever had an option to comment on Orsino outcome? Especially if joined the mages, because if not there is a room for interpretation.

 

As far as DAI Hawke goes my main problem is how self-righteous Hawke comes off when s/he talks about it  in a very "I'm patting myself o the back now" kind of way

He used blood magic turn his the remainder of his mages into a massive flesh golem that summoned demons and can one shot people. How does someone look at that and not be unnerved by blood magic?

[ThreeF]

He used blood magic turn his the remainder of his mages into a massive flesh golem that summoned demons and can one shot people. How does someone look at that and not be unnerved by blood magic?

Perhaps it did unnerved him, perhaps it didn't, if he doesn't comment we don't know for sure how it affected him so there is room for interpretation.

[leaguer of one]

Perhaps it did unnerved him, perhaps it didn't, if he doesn't comment we don't know for sure how it affected him so there is room for interpretation.

You are him/her. How you Hawke feel is what you feel or want them to feel. They don't have to say they are upset over what they see or not to be upset.

[ThreeF]

You are him/her. How you Hawke feel is what you feel or want them to feel. They don't have to say they are upset over what they see or not to be upset.

Yeah that's exactly the problem here, because once you are not him/her what you feel ends up meaning absolutely nothing.

[SgtSteel91]

For a Hawke with a friendship/romanced Merrill, I just imagine that Merrill came to the same conclusion as Hawke, after seeing rampant Blood Magic use end up in disaster in Kirkwall and during the Annulment, and gave up using Blood Magic.

 

I mean she's not working on the Eluvian anymore, or at least devotes a lot more of her time in protecting City Elves, by Inquisition.

[Dutchess]

Who gives a funk about Orsino? His mother was killed by a blood mage.

 

Roleplay away, but Hawke is forced to enjoy his mother being alive.

 

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed myself, but I personally would definitely NOT go "Oh she was brutally murdered and I am totally devastated by the fact... BUT it is important to note exactly at this point right now that blood magic cannot be blamed by a reasonable person, since it is just a tool and tools don't kill people - uneducated insufficiently educated people with psychoti- what? Oh yeah, no Bethany, I really AM devastated, trust me."

 

Necromancy does not normally fall under the Blood Magic school. Maybe Quentin did use some BM to achieve what he did, but all in all zombie mom is a better argument against necromancy (and thus Spirit magic) than BM. 

[Deebo305]

Necromancy does not normally fall under the Blood Magic school. Maybe Quentin did use some BM to achieve what he did, but all in all zombie mom is a better argument against necromancy (and thus Spirit magic) than BM.

I don't even This guy splits hair like a pro

The Demons, Missing dead women, bloody pile of bones aren't enough to convince you? There is Necromancy and there is Blood Magic

There is Quentin and there is Dorian, world of clear difference. No need to pretend otherwise

[Dutchess]

I don't even This guy splits hair like a pro

The Demons, Missing dead women, bloody pile of bones aren't enough to convince you? There is Necromancy and there is Blood Magic

There is Quentin and there is Dorian, world of clear difference. No need to pretend otherwise

 

Murders and kidnappings are hardly exclusively tied to blood magic. Quentin was insane. He was a mage. He was a necromancer. He was a blood mage. Quentin may have used BM to summon demons, but that's not what makes him so horrible and why Hawke would hate him. The murder of Leandra and what he did with her corpse was, and you can blame insanity, magic in general or necromancy in particular at least as much, or even more for that than BM. 

[leaguer of one]

Necromancy does not normally fall under the Blood Magic school. Maybe Quentin did use some BM to achieve what he did, but all in all zombie mom is a better argument against necromancy (and thus Spirit magic) than BM. 

What Quentin did was not necromancy in the dragon age sense. Necromancers in dragon age bind spirits to mimic the living not dead bodies. Add, dwarves did the same-thing with enchantment magic.

[Xilizhra]

What Quentin did was not necromancy in the dragon age sense. Necromancers in dragon age bind spirits to mimic the living not dead bodies. Add, dwarves did the same-thing with enchantment magic.

Pretty much everything talked about with necromancy in the lore refers to dead bodies; the mechanics of Spirit Mark are, I suspect, purely game mechanics.

[Dutchess]

What Quentin did was not necromancy in the dragon age sense. Necromancers in dragon age bind spirits to mimic the living not dead bodies. Add, dwarves did the same-thing with enchantment magic.

 

? I don't understand what you mean by this. DA necromancy means summoning a spirit/demon and binding it to a dead body. It's not really clear what Quentin did with Leandra, because somehow the collection of body parts retained her personality and memories, something which probably shouldn't have been possible, but overall it looks like he's animating dead parts. There's no way the real Leandra was still alive as that thing, since he cut off her head, put it on another body and gave her the eyes of someone else. 

[leaguer of one]

? I don't understand what you mean by this. DA necromancy means summoning a spirit/demon and binding it to a dead body. It's not really clear what Quentin did with Leandra, because somehow the collection of body parts retained her personality and memories, something which probably shouldn't have been possible, but overall it looks like he's animating dead parts. There's no way the real Leandra was still alive as that thing, since he cut off her head, put it on another body and gave her the eyes of someone else. 

Really?

Because this is what Necromancy in da does...

It's not binded to a dead body. It mimics a body and looks like a ghost. It only binned to a form.

 

Quinten's magic is not what necromancy in da is.

[leaguer of one]

Pretty much everything talked about with necromancy in the lore refers to dead bodies; the mechanics of Spirit Mark are, I suspect, purely game mechanics.

Except for the fact that the only time we see dead bodies used is with blood mages or demons. Added, dai makes it a point that the abilities for the speculations are recognized and talked about by the characters in the games story. So necromancy in dai is lore based.

[Dutchess]

Really?

Because this is what Necromancy in da does...

 

It's not binded to a dead body. It mimics a body and looks like a ghost. It only binned to a form.

 

Quinten's magic is not what necromancy in da is.

 

http://dragonage.wik...ki/Animate_Dead

 

"The caster summons a skeleton minion, at (0.75 * [caster's level]), from the corpse of a fallen enemy to fight alongside the party for a short time, although, as a puppet of the caster, it will not use any talents or spells without specific instruction. The corpse used in the summoning determines the type of skeleton summoned (Warrior, Rogue or Mage)."

 

http://dragonage.wik...f_Magic:_Spirit

 

"Students of this school cover everything from direct manipulation of mana and spell energies to the study and summoning of spirits themselves."

 

Necromancy =/= blood magic.

[Dieb]

Is there any example of a good blood mage in full control of his powers, who did not do anything terrible because of, or related to, his practices?

 

Genuinely asking.

[leaguer of one]

http://dragonage.wik...ki/Animate_Dead

 

"The caster summons a skeleton minion, at (0.75 * [caster's level]), from the corpse of a fallen enemy to fight alongside the party for a short time, although, as a puppet of the caster, it will not use any talents or spells without specific instruction. The corpse used in the summoning determines the type of skeleton summoned (Warrior, Rogue or Mage)."

 

http://dragonage.wik...f_Magic:_Spirit

 

"Students of this school cover everything from direct manipulation of mana and spell energies to the study and summoning of spirits themselves."

 

Necromancy =/= blood magic.

Animate dead was retconed from da2. There has yet to be a mage past dao that did not rise the undead that was not a blood mage. And my point is necromancy is not blood magic and what Quinten did was not Necromancy.

[Jaison1986]

Is there any example of a good blood mage in full control of his powers, who did not do anything terrible because of, or related to, his practices?

 

Genuinely asking.

 

Well... Malcolm Hawke is an example. After sealing Corypheus, as far as we are concerned, he never used blood magic again. He even taught Bethany to never mess with such things. Merrill is technically also an responsible blood mage. Her practices never actually harm anyone, and the only one that died because of it was Marethari, but then again, her death was of her own making. The moment she set aside the safety of her entire clan for the sake of an single person was the moment I lost all semblance of respect for her.

[Dutchess]

Animate dead was retconed from da2. There has yet to be a mage past dao that did not rise the undead that was not a blood mage. And my point is necromancy is not blood magic and what Quinten did was not Necromancy.

 

It is pointed out by Hawke and party that there are books on necromancy lying on the floor in the hideout. Gascard wants to be taught necromancy by Quentin, not blood magic. Quentin is an expert necromancer, was doing more research on the matter, and used his skills to create an undead wife. 

[Hal-Jordan]

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