Is there any example of a good blood mage in full control of his powers, who did not do anything terrible because of, or related to, his practices?
Genuinely asking.
Merrill. Everything bad that happened with her was because of people freaking about her using Blood Magic but Merrill herself used it responsibly, never sacrificing innocents or anything like the Blood Mages you see in Kirkwall.
Merrill. Everything bad that happened with her was because of people freaking about her using Blood Magic but Merrill herself used it responsibly, never sacrificing innocents or anything like the Blood Mages you see in Kirkwall.
And if Merethari wasn't dumb enough to sacrifice everything for 1 sick puppy, Merrill would have been demon chow
After Hawke's mother was killed by a mage practicing blood magic, I went on a rampage against every mage in Kirkwall, regardless of whether or not they were blood mages.
I still have a grudge, which is why I chose continued to side with templars in DAI.
And if Merethari wasn't dumb enough to sacrifice everything for 1 sick puppy, Merrill would have been demon chow
That was cause of her working on the Eluvian, not Blood Magic. And I think Hawke could have killed it before it possessed/kill Merrill.
Working on the Eluvian was only possible using blood magic to enhance her power, though. That's the reason she started practicing it in the first place.
Also, we all know from DA:O how stressful it is to un-possess someone, so I don't think Marethari's efforts didn't make a difference - as overzealous and disproportionate some might consider them.
Working on the Eluvian was only possible using blood magic to enhance her power, though. That's the reason she started practicing it in the first place.
But she never went too far with Blood Magic like sacrificing innocents or intentionally summon Demons.
-A Blood Mage almost succeeded in making Hawke commit suicide through mind control magic.
Wait, who did this? I don't remember my Hawke being mind controlled? 0.o
Wait, who did this? I don't remember my Hawke being mind controlled? 0.o
The apostitute that Hawke was tracking. I think her name was Idunna?
But she never went too far with Blood Magic like sacrificing innocents or intentionally summon Demons.
No she didn't, but the unintentional one was bad enough. On the other hand, we cannot know if he would have succeeded; that much is true.
Wait, who did this? I don't remember my Hawke being mind controlled? 0.o
The apostate mage lady in the brothel. It may only work on Rogue/Warrior Hawkes - I never played mages very far.
No she didn't, but the unintentional one was bad enough. On the other hand, we cannot know if he would have succeeded; that much is true.
The apostate mage lady in the brothel. It may only work on Rogue/Warrior Hawkes - I never played mages very far.
She'll attempt to mind control all Hawkes, but mage Hawkes get a special option to break free on their own.
Oh, yeah, I remember that lady, it was weird. I was a mage and I pulled away from it. I wonder what would've happened if I fell for it? I really gotta do a third playthrough...
But yeah, doesn't Orsino refer to Quentin as a blood mage? So even if Quentin wasn't using blood magic on Leandra, Hawke still has a reason to hate blood mages, because his mom was killed by a blood mage. In fact, this is stated multiple times in the game iirc, nobody ever says "Hawke's mom was killed by a necromancer". Going by what we know, it is apparently necromancy Quentin uses, because blood magic is normally used on people who are still living, and necromancy in real life, refers to communication with the dead, and Leandra was already dead by the time Hawke reaches her, since, you know, her head is on someone else's body...
With the new Necromancy tree in DAI, I was quite confused. I was like 'isn't that blood magic?' and the trainer went on to "explain" it to me, but I still didn't understand. It just sounded like blood magic to me, but as though Bio twisted it around to something else so players could get something similar to blood magic, without the Inquisitor actually being a blood mage (because it would be bad for rep if the Inquis was a blood mage).
She'll attempt to mind control all Hawkes, but mage Hawkes get a special option to break free on their own.
Technically, all Hawkes can break free on their own. The main difference is that mage Hawke can release Idunna's hold over the entire party before killing her, as opposed to just breaking free alone.
Bioware is free to do whatever they want, and we are free to call BS on arbitrary retcons.
That was cause of her working on the Eluvian, not Blood Magic. And I think Hawke could have killed it before it possessed/kill Merrill.
How? How do you kill a spirit that is sealed in the fade when you are in the real world?
How? How do you kill a spirit that is sealed in the fade when you are in the real world?
The same way you freed Connor? Blood magic ritual or help from the Circle. Don't you also do something similar with Feynriel but I don't remember how they got Hawke and gang into the Fade. Iirc, it might have contradicted how it was done in Origins.
After Hawke's mother was killed by a mage practicing blood magic, I went on a rampage against every mage in Kirkwall, regardless of whether or not they were blood mages.
I still have a grudge, which is why I chose continued to side with templars in DAI.
The same way you freed Connor? Blood magic ritual or help from the Circle. Don't you also do something similar with Feynriel but I don't remember how they got Hawke and gang into the Fade. Iirc, it might have contradicted how it was done in Origins.
Key note:When you're in the real world. That is not in the fade. Conner was possessed first before you went into the fade to kill the spirit. That means you can't spot the spirit before it possesses Merril.
I get why this would bug people, but if I spent 7 years in Kirkwall I would be terrified of blood magic!
With the new Necromancy tree in DAI, I was quite confused. I was like 'isn't that blood magic?' and the trainer went on to "explain" it to me, but I still didn't understand. It just sounded like blood magic to me, but as though Bio twisted it around to something else so players could get something similar to blood magic, without the Inquisitor actually being a blood mage (because it would be bad for rep if the Inquis was a blood mage).
Looking at the Necromancer tree, most of the spells are from what used to be the Spirit and Entropy schools of magic in DAO.
How? How do you kill a spirit that is sealed in the fade when you are in the real world?
I figured the Elluvian would have let it physically enter Thedas from its prison. Like doing the Scrolls sidequest in DA2 un-binded another Pride Demon, which Hawke proceeded to kill.
I figured the Elluvian would have let it physically enter Thedas from its prison. Like doing the Scrolls sidequest in DA2 un-binded another Pride Demon, which Hawke proceeded to kill.
Well, apparently Corypheus thinks that's possible. And the rebuilt Eluvian is in the crossroads. But it sounds like to get from the Fade to the Eluvian network it might require punching a hole in reality.
Honestly dude, why are you even at this forum?
Because infinite email accounts allow me to
Bioware is free to do whatever they want, and we are free to call BS on arbitrary retcons.
Retcon? Nope. Arbitrary? Hardly. Blood magic has never been integrated properly in the previous 2 games. There was almost no recognition for being a blood mage and the little recognition that it got highlighted how poorly the spec was implemented. For example, make Anders a blood mage in Awakening and during a conversation where he is going on and on about how terrible blood magic is you can say "But you're a blood mage" and his response is something like "Yeah, well I am now." That's it. That's Ander's reaction to being made a blood mage. It's complete nonsense. This was the big problem with the BM spec, it made no sense when it wasn't mentioned and when it was.
I see people condemning Hawke's opinion on blood magic as a retcon, as if the continuity of the series is being tainted by some lazy last-minute character assassination. But I see no complaints about the previous implementation of the BM spec, which itself could be considered lore-contradicting at best and lore-breaking at worst. See to me, saying "this is wrong, my Hawke was a blood mage" is like saying "Wynne and Anders were blood mages" it makes no sense. If you're gonna start complaining by using words like retcon, you also have to complain about other problems in the series' continuity and the BM spec was definitely one of those problems.
ohhh. I thought we were talking as if the demon had already possessed Merrill... Just kill Merrill then? Or go into the Fade and kill it.Key note:When you're in the real world. That is not in the fade. Conner was possessed first before you went into the fade to kill the spirit. That means you can't spot the spirit before it possesses Merril.
Even if you role-play your Hawke to not inherently have an issue with Blood Magic, there are plenty of events in DA:2 that could alter the morals of anybody. Remember, Hawke has had pretty much 10 years to contemplate the effects Blood Magic has had on his life...
-His father was forced to use Blood Magic in an ultimatum to save his mother and Hawke himself
-A Blood Mage almost succeeded in making Hawke commit suicide through mind control magic.
-A twisted Blood Mage murdered his mother and several other women in a mad experiment of Necromancy
-Several accounts of fighting Blood Mages who sacrifice innocents.
-Blood Mage extremists captured and threatened the lives of his brother/sister (or romances/best friend, depending on playthrough choices)
-Orsino's betrayal of Hawke, his fellow Mages, and his own ideals through Blood Magic
Yeah...when you spend 10 years going through and contemplating those events...you don't really come out indifferent about Blood Magic. Hawke perceptions are a result of his own experiences, regardless of how you role-played him during DA:2.
One thing though. A apostate mage Hawke, gets his/hers gut full of steel not being able to defend him/herself against templars. Was it noble or stupid not to use blood magic?
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