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[KaiserShep]

One thing though. A apostate mage Hawke, gets his/hers gut full of steel not being able to defend him/herself against templars. Was it noble or stupid not to use blood magic?

The idea was never to fight Templars, but to avoid them, so learning blood magic wouldn't make them any safer. Just the same, a bloodmage can meet the same fate if s/he encounters enough of them, and to top it off, has less of a chance of being shown any mercy as a result, and would have few allies, thanks to the stigma involved. Also, considering that their father was strongly against bloodmagic, it makes sense that they would avoid it.

 

Anyway, it doesn't matter, because blood magic was always a ridiculous specialization in the way it was implemented, and its absence from the Keep ensured that no PC from the past would ever support it.

[Rekkampum]

So in Inquisition, we see that Hawke, regardless of whatever choices you made for him or her, is against Blood Magic.

 

The thing is I tend to roleplay my Hawke as someone who, even though was not a Blood Mage, has no problems with Blood Magic.

 

For example, my Hawke had no problem with Merrill using Blood Magic to uncover the secrets of Elves of the past.

 

He also usually killed Blood Mages because they did something bad, not because they practices Blood Magic.

 

My Hawke did not become a Blood Mage because the idea of cutting himself up and draining his own blood is not very appealing to him. However, to him, magic is magic and Blood Magic is simply a tool.

 

This Hawke was not portrayed at all in Inquisition and this is a problem because it messes with the continuity, if you will. 

 

So this leaves me with an issue. Do I change my Hawke's choices to be anti-Blood Magic in Dragon Age 2 or do I not ? 

 

You mean it messes with your continuity. Since they aren't really transferring choices ala Mass Effect and you only have access to stock decisions, one can simply say that it won't interfere with your Hawke. One of mine was a Blood Mage, so I simply imagined that Hawke's concern about its usage stemmed directly from it being abused recklessly by the Wardens, especially in context to Corypheus and because of their role in what happened to the Divine. EDIT: Not to mention the events at Kirkwall and what we learned about Hawke's dad.

[In Exile]

You mean it messes with your continuity. Since they aren't really transferring choices ala Mass Effect and you only have access to stock decisions, one can simply say that it won't interfere with your Hawke. One of mine was a Blood Mage, so I simply imagined that Hawke's concern about its usage stemmed directly from it being abused recklessly by the Wardens, especially in context to Corypheus and because of their role in what happened to the Divine. EDIT: Not to mention the events at Kirkwall and what we learned about Hawke's dad.

Why do people think a blood mage would just out themselves to the chantry? Even if the Inquisitor *was* willing to tolerance it, you're just stupidly risking your life.

[Remmirath]

That's the problem with not letting people control previous PCs when they show up, and an excellent argument for either not doing it at all in future or allowing people a good deal more control over how it's done. Looking right and having the right past circumstances imported is only part of the picture.

For me, it wasn't the blood magic that was the problem -- that part was entirely accurate to my character's views -- it was the near-constant Grey Warden bashing, when he'd previously had no reason to have any issue with them, and indeed had barely even run into them (and the one or two times he did, the interactions were neutral to positive). It all felt rather forced. I'd much rather have not seen Hawke at all, really, especially with the equally-hamfisted sacrifice offer (also definitely not in character for many), and I'm quite glad to not have had a similar appearance of the Warden to deal with. I am hoping this either marks the end of seeing our old characters again instead of merely hearing about them, or that next time it's handled with a deal more finesse.
 

I am sorry to inform you but. their is no such thing as YOUR Hawke. Hawke is an NPC and s/he doesn't have to care about your GAMEPLAY choices, I preferred Hawke in 'The Robes of Unblemished Cleanliness' but when he showed up in the 'The Mantle of Champion', I could not have in my right mind, complain about it.

If that's the view they're going to take on PCs, they should stop bothering with the RPG title at all, as it becomes misleading. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, however unfortunate I find that; they have after all, stated as much. I'll never agree that "RPG" and "your former PC is now our NPC" can go together, though. One of those two has to go. I'm afraid it'll be the first and not the last.

 

I suppose this just goes to show how far CRPGs in general have diverged from the ideal of emulating tabletop RPGs in any way. I think you'd be hard-put to find a player in a pen and paper game who wouldn't be upset if the GM decided to take over all of their old characters from the next game they were running and not consult them on personality. That GM wouldn't retain many players if they made a habit of it, that's for sure.

[DuskWanderer]

Hawke always had a thing against Blood Magic, particularly against those who constantly take and do terrible things with it. Look no further than Orsino, both with the Harvester and his encouragement of Quentin (who killed his mother). That's certainly enough to turn anyone against it.

[Rekkampum]

Why do people think a blood mage would just out themselves to the chantry? Even if the Inquisitor *was* willing to tolerance it, you're just stupidly risking your life.

 

Not assuming anything. My mage was already an apostate, and since the Chantry was currently in ruins - and you're the Champion - there's not much they would've been able to do.

[DialupToaster]

Personally I took it as Hawke simply using the bloodmagic usage to justify his animosity towards the wardens. It really had nothing to do with blood magic. It was little man folk legend Hawke vs safety at any cost antihero warden. Hawke pretty much argues that the wardens have become the monsters they have sworn to protect thedas from. The warden argues that the ends justify the means. Well, at least that the wardens are needed as well as the choices they make need to be made... even though they've been branded a traitor for disagreeing with what they are arguing for... with Hawke. Yea, everyone is bipolar. At least they got my pc right...

[Rekkampum]

Personally I took it as Hawke simply using the bloodmagic usage to justify his animosity towards the wardens. It really had nothing to do with blood magic. It was little man folk legend Hawke vs safety at any cost antihero warden. Hawke pretty much argues that the wardens have become the monsters they have sworn to protect thedas from. The warden argues that the ends justify the means. Well, at least that the wardens are needed as well as the choices they make need to be made... even though they've been branded a traitor for disagreeing with what they are arguing for... with Hawke. Yea, everyone is bipolar. At least they got my pc right...

 

Well, considering their plan backfired and had the nice effect of enslaving them to Corypheus, I'd say Hawke is more than entitled to being upset with the Wardens. Not to mention

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those same Wardens being responsible for the death of the Divine due to it.

[LaughingBanana]

OP, I thought you're talking about how quick Hawke went from "Corypheus is MY mistake and he is MY responsibility" to "LOL my quest is done OKTHXBAI."

[Uccio]

The idea was never to fight Templars, but to avoid them, so learning blood magic wouldn't make them any safer. Just the same, a bloodmage can meet the same fate if s/he encounters enough of them, and to top it off, has less of a chance of being shown any mercy as a result, and would have few allies, thanks to the stigma involved. Also, considering that their father was strongly against bloodmagic, it makes sense that they would avoid it.

 

Anyway, it doesn't matter, because blood magic was always a ridiculous specialization in the way it was implemented, and its absence from the Keep ensured that no PC from the past would ever support it.

 

This assuming Hawke could avoid the templars all the time. However you have to admit since even lore supports it, a apostate Hawke would benefit from blood magic spec. Sitting on a high horse will not help when reality comes knocking. Mercy on the templars part is more like winning the lottery, you will be better off fighting them than surrendering.

 

And Hawke may or may not look up to his father but him/her being against blood magic tells nothing about Hawke´s own struggle. What he/she faces is a matter of it´s own, and apostate without blood magic skill is in a obvious disadvantage.

 

And blood magic is a awesome spec  , something which is so thoroughly infused with Thedas and it´s history should be available. Barring it only shows bad skill in writing.

[Zerc]

This assuming Hawke could avoid the templars all the time. However you have to admit since even lore supports it, a apostate Hawke would benefit from blood magic spec. Sitting on a high horse will not help when reality comes knocking. Mercy on the templars part is more like winning the lottery, you will be better off fighting them than surrendering.

 

And Hawke may or may not look up to his father but him/her being against blood magic tells nothing about Hawke´s own struggle. What he/she faces is a matter of it´s own, and apostate without blood magic skill is in a obvious disadvantage.

 

And blood magic is a awesome spec  , something which is so thoroughly infused with Thedas and it´s history should be available. Barring it only shows bad skill in writing.

 

Blood mage master race.

[Uccio]

Blood mage master race.

 

 

[KaiserShep]

And blood magic is a awesome spec  , something which is so thoroughly infused with Thedas and it´s history should be available. Barring it only shows bad skill in writing.

 

The problem is that a lot of the appropriate responses should result in some major shifts in the story, and I'm willing to bet that more people would just complain about it. Like, if Hawke duels the Arishok as a bloodmage, then kiss the Hawke estate goodbye, because the Templars won't let you live in Hightown once it's discovered that you're a bloodmage, regardless of the help you may have provided in ousting the qunari, so you either have to go back to Gamlen's house or find some other hovel to hide in. Certain companions, namely Fenris, would leave outright, because he has a particular ax to grind about bloodmages, etc.. The stigma involved with bloodmagic and the fact that so many people hate and fear it should come with heavy consequences throughout the story if you choose to be one, but accounting for all of these things can derail the story or end it entirely.

[Uccio]

It is one of the things I was wondering actually, had Bio worked longer on the game could they have given a alternative path for the pc? Hunted hero laying low, hiding in lowtown only to emerge to save his fellow mages in the final showdown. It would have made the game awesome. Fenris (or others) either accepts it (through enough friendship) or leaves/dies.