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[KaiserShep]

That don't really invalidate my point. Video games are a form of media and the more representation groups have in all forms of media the better. That way one member of that group would no longer be considering their representative.

 

When a women is in the public forum, people often react like everything they do represents women. Beyonce shakes her ass, and everyone is like 'what does this say to young women?' Meanwhile Kanye West is a giant douchebag and no one is asking 'what does this say to young men' because no one thinks Kanye represents anyone but himself.

 

That is the problem with under representation, any public person from an underrepresented group is put up on a pedestal and told they represent all their group now. 

 

 

 

Ordering your companions in combat doesn't make them a puppet, it makes them members of your party. If they had no personality then they would be a puppet, but since BioWare companions have a personality, opinions and desires of their own, then ordering them around in combat, is more akin to a squad leader & their squad in an army then a puppet master and their puppets.

 

 

 

This whole statement makes one huge assumption, that BioWare designs characters with the idea that they will be LIs rather than designing characters and THEN deciding which ones will be LIs.

 

BioWare always seem to have designed characters first and the decided on the LIs, if they didn't then I'm sure Vivienne would've been an LI.

 

BioWare don't sit in a room and say 'will straight men or gay women or whoever, fancy this character?' They just want to design good characters.

 

Cassandra had short hair in DA2, this is how she was originally designed, to suddenly give her long hair for DA:I would've been compromising her character to attempt to appeal to male gamers.

 

Besides, Cassandra interrogating Varric and the formation of the new Inquisition happen within a very short period of time. At the start of DA:I Cassandra is bringing Varric to speak to the Divine, just after she visited Kirkwall, so how fast do you think her hair can grow?

 

BioWare designed Cassandra and then said 'let's make her an LI' not the other way around.

 

This is how is should be, no character should be designed as an LI for a specific demographic, they should be created as a character in their own right first.

 

Solas is the perfect example, since his romance content is basically an afterthought that turned out to be a success.

[General TSAR]

Cassandra is pretty alright. 

[Melca36]

As a human male, there isnt anyone I really want my character to pursue. The appeal in DAO and DA2 just ain't there. I mean, Josephine seems quite nice, but let's face it, she's no Morrigan...




Anyone else agree?

 

 

The romances are fine. You were just conditioned by the media and pop culture to expect a stereotypical big titted bimbo. 

[Melca36]

So back to playersexual...what's wrong with it?  Everyone gets to date who they want--it's a fantasy game, I'm told so why not?

You want the writers to sacrifice how they envision the characters they create just so you can get what you want. Thats called being selfish.  Nobody had the right to dictate to the writers on how to create their characters.

[Vanth]

The romances are fine. You were just conditioned by the media and pop culture to expect a stereotypical big titted bimbo. 

 

That's such bullshit. He is entitled to be attracted to whomever he wants without having to put up with your judgemental attitude.

[Shechinah]

(to Melca36) You do realise that the way you said that could be taken as you calling Morrigan a "stereotypical big titted bimbo". He is not requesting that from what I've gathered, he is just requesting that one of the future romances are more of a conventional fantasy beauty like Morrigan. There is nothing wrong with that request beyond that it could mistakenly be believed that he is making a slight towards Josephine which I do not think he intended. He has said nothing about what he wants in terms of personality, breast size or intelligence so that is a rather insulting comment to make.

[Brevnau]

As a human male, there isnt anyone I really want my character to pursue. The appeal in DAO and DA2 just ain't there. I mean, Josephine seems quite nice, but let's face it, she's no Morrigan...




Anyone else agree?

 

Let's face it, cassandra pentaghast looks like a mother ****** man.  The sooner bioware realizes this, the sooner they'll understand why their sales are complete **** for this game.

There is a reason skyrim sold twenty million   copies.

Google: sexy skyrim babes

[Grieving Natashina]

 

It seems like every week there is some magical reason that Skyrim sold so well according to some posters.  First it's mods, now it's the "sexy" babes?  

 

 Keep moving those goalposts, I'm getting curious as to see what happens next.  I think someone needs a snickers and a Motley Crue video. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

Let's face it, cassandra pentaghast looks like a mother ****** man.

 

Making dozens of threads, hassling the devs on Twitter and putting it in your signature doesn't make it any more true.

 

The sooner bioware realizes this, the sooner they'll understand why their sales are complete **** for this game.

 

The last thing we heard from EA was that Inquisition is selling well and exceeding expectations. It certainly won't sell twenty million copies, but few games - let alone CRPGs - get anywhere near those numbers.

 

Not everyone is looking for the same thing in a game - or a game romance - that you are apparently looking for. You will not find it here. Perhaps you should try Skyrim again?

[Rawgrim]

Let's face it, cassandra pentaghast looks like a mother ****** man.  The sooner bioware realizes this, the sooner they'll understand why their sales are complete **** for this game.

There is a reason skyrim sold twenty million   copies.

Google: sexy skyrim babes

 

Cassandra looks female.

 

Skyrim sold a ton of copies for consoles too. Can't mod those versions. So it might seem like Skyrim sold for different reason than the possibility for including a juvenile mod.

[Brevnau]

Cassandra looks female.

 

I tried so hard to see it this way. I really did.  I normally don't knit pick anything.   Hear me out. I played Mass Effect 1 & 2, dragon age origins, kotor 1, baldurs gate. I enjoyed all these games without ANY problems. But I'm telling you, something is wrong with Cassandra & Josephine's face models. 

 

Skyrim sold a ton of copies for consoles too. Can't mod those versions. So it might seem like Skyrim sold for different reason than the possibility for including a juvenile mod.

 

Skyrim is enjoying what I call "double sales".  A lot of people who played skyrim on the console did not like the long loading times or lack of modding capability, some of these people bought the pc version after buying the console version.  This is a known fact, rooted in hard, objective evidence.

 

EA/Bioware failed so hard for not making this game moddable. It would've solved sooo many problems.

[Shechinah]

(to Brevnau) And I'm telling something is not wrong with Cassandra and Josephine's facial models. It's almost like it is a subjective thing.

[Grieving Natashina]

So you've said.  Over and over again.  Go make a mod already, and be done with it.  I don't care if you make a mod; I frankly don't care what folks do with their own game.  BioWare isn't going to change Cassandra's looks.  The modding communty has though, if you'd stop raving long enough to check nexus.

 

Shoot, there is already mods on nexus that remove her scars and soften other features.   They can't change her hair length, because for whatever reason, BioWare has trouble with hair that's more than shoulder-length.  The modders have stated that they can't create or import meshes, only work with existing ones.  For truly long hair,  I think all of us are SOL there.

 

If you don't have PC strong enough to mod, then that's not BioWare's problem.  That's yours.  Get a better PC or deal with the ladies.   Better yet, just go play a game you like and quit obsessing over the looks of a video game character.

[Brevnau]

So you've said.  Over and over again.  Go make a mod already, and be done with it.  I don't care if you make a mod; I frankly don't care what folks do with their own game.  BioWare isn't going to change Cassandra's looks.  The modding communty has though, if you'd stop raving long enough to check nexus.

 

Shoot, there is already mods on nexus that remove her scars and soften other features.   They can't change her hair length, because for whatever reason, BioWare has trouble with hair that's more than shoulder-length.  The modders have stated that they can't create or import meshes, only work with existing ones.  For truly long hair,  I think all of us are SOL there.

 

If you don't have PC strong enough to mod, then that's not BioWare's problem.  That's yours.  Get a better PC or deal with the ladies.   Better yet, just go play a game you like and quit obsessing over the looks of a video game character.

 

My biggest concerns is that the gays/feminists are going to purposely make all women ugly and bald in future RPG's.

[jedidotflow]

As a human male, there isnt anyone I really want my character to pursue. The appeal in DAO and DA2 just ain't there. I mean, Josephine seems quite nice, but let's face it, she's no Morrigan...




Anyone else agree?

 

Of course there is! His name is Dorian.

[Grieving Natashina]

My biggest concerns is that the gays/feminists are going to purposely make all women ugly and bald in future RPG's.

Which "gays" are you speaking of?  The gay men that don't care about having an attractive female LI and wouldn't spend time stressing over it?  Or do you mean the lesbians that have a variety of taste the same as any group?  Not all of them find Josie or Sera attractive, and would have preferred someone else as well.

 

The only thing that feminists have really asked for in terms of looks of the female characters is that the armor is practical for combat, and that a character's boobs aren't bigger than their head.  I know a lot of feminists on the forums (including me) that were disappointed in the lack of longer hair options, and being forced into the Ball outfit instead of a dress.

 

Shocking that a feminist can like long hair and makeup, as well as dressing up.  I know it's a huge surprise and shakes your world view, but someone had to tell you.   

 

It's not a conspiracy, my young paranoid player.    Josie and Cassandra aren't to your taste.  So what?  Use a mod, and deal with it.  

[Panda]

Let's face it, cassandra pentaghast looks like a mother ****** man.  The sooner bioware realizes this, the sooner they'll understand why their sales are complete **** for this game.

There is a reason skyrim sold twenty million   copies.

Google: sexy skyrim babes

 

Skyrim doesn't have romances, it has marriage system that's very different and most likely romances weren't the thing why Skyrim got popular. Also no idea what you mean, Skyrim has some warrior women, some elven mages and lusty Argonian maid.. but I don't really think any of them is more appealing than DAI's well-thought out characters and their romances. Skyrim also lack character design both appearance and personality-wise, many of characters don't have unique design if any really.

 

Idk, characters are just Elder Scrolls weakest part. World-building is great and open-world thing is nice, but Bioware wins 10-0 for characters and has always done so ^^;

[jedidotflow]

The problem is however, that even doing a cursory search, or better yet clicking to page 2 would more than likely have revealed that there are in fact others who feel this way. Now it depends on why you don't like the Cassandra or Josephine romances, but if the reasoning is, as assumed, because of their physical attributes, then all that's going to happen is this thread will eventually devolve into a heated argument with one side claiming that Cassandra and Josephine look masculine and unattractive, and the developers should make every straight male love interest look like Leliana or Morrigan while the other side will point out that it's great that there are differing physical types for women and loving that not every one is a supermodel off the cover of Vogue magazine. 

 

Then the gifs will come, words will be said and the mods will eventually close it. Eventually another new soul will invariably post the same thing and the cycle begins anew.

 

This thread is to the DA:I forums what the Reapers are to the ME universe.

[phantomrachie]

My biggest concerns is that the gays/feminists are going to purposely make all women ugly and bald in future RPG's.

 

Well you're in luck because neither Josephine nor Cassandra are ugly or bald. Sera is adorable and while Vivi is not an LI, she is gorgeous. 

 

I hope next time BioWare make a female character like Cass and they decide to make her an LI, they purposely don't make her straight because straight men don't deserve her awesomeness. In fact I hope they make her a phantomrachie exclusive LI, because clearly I'm the only one who would appreciate her. 

 

That was a joke - before anyone freaks out.

 

Even with all your trolling, the biggest thing that bothers me about your posts, is that you spelt Isabela's name wrong in your signature. 

 

So please fix that and continue on trolling.

[Shechinah]

(to Brevnau) In addition, "sexy skyrim babes" are mods meaning it is entirely irrelevant what appearance the designers gave the characters to begin with because their initial designs were modded which defeats your objectively wrong point that it was the reason why this game sold poorly which it didn't.

 

Also,"sexy babes" have been shown to not carry much weight in determinating if a game will be a success as games that features "sexy babes" but have otherwise poor design and story are still considered terrible.

[SardaukarElite]

I tried so hard to see it this way. I really did.

 

It's okay, you're just not very good at recognising women.

 

There is a reason skyrim sold twenty million   copies.

Google: sexy skyrim babes

 

There's a reason Wii Sports sold eighty million copies.

Google: sexy sports miis.

[Grieving Natashina]

It's okay, you're just not very good at recognising women.

 

 

There's a reason Wii Sports sold eighty million copies.

Google: sexy sports miis.

I owe you a like.  You just gave me the biggest giggle I've had all day.

 

Thanks for the laugh.  I'm going to catch some sleep, so take care.  

[Zobert]

People did complain that Isabella was too sexy.  It wasn't men complaining, so let's not pretend that some of this wasn't because we women weren't raising the flag about bombshells.  I kept reading women saying that they want "realistic" women in gaming and I'm sure the women who, like myself, are endowed and have longer hair feel like we're real people.

 

I like Cassandra but I know men like more hair on women.  Do all men?  No, but most men if you take polls.  In fact, there is actual scientific research on the subject.  There is also research on why we like symmetrical appearances generally.  While it's not "all" people, when you appeal to "most" as a company you make more money.

 

The fact that this isn't solely a romance game is why they are able to get away with not having to give straight males the options they would prefer, but it doesn't mean that the game developers were all sitting around a table and going: You know what our straight gamers would like?  A female warrior who always wears a uniform buttoned all the way to the top with really short hair and facial scars!

[Draining Dragon]

The romances in Inquisition are all kind of... flat.

[Uccio]

I like Cassandra but I know men like more hair on women.  Do all men?  No, but most men if you take polls.  In fact, there is actual scientific research on the subject.  There is also research on why we like symmetrical appearances generally.  While it's not "all" people, when you appeal to "most" as a company you make more money.

 

I think I saw that study somewhere. Golden ratio or something, was rather interesting.