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[ThreeF]

Hollywood is full of people like Cassandra.. I have no idea about other two and I'm not too intrested to find out either.

 

Those magazines and Hollywood movies (though that's quite big genre with different things in it) aren't necessarily what general gamer boy likes on his woman, the media is so different that I don't know if they can be compared much.

 

I have yet seen any good study about what gamers want and the numbers how many gamers there is, so I wouldn't say companies have good information on that.

 

I'm pondering more about how there aren't 100 complain threads about bald Solas or beasty Bull with man boobs and a douchy personality or "Sera is crazy (and ugly) and Josephine is dull" type of threads. It's not like every demographic is completely satisfied.

[ThreeF]

I was thinking of Thane as well, his whole alien race was created for that purpose.. but I think he's exception in this. Like in DAI both Cullen's and Solas' romances was added late so they weren't designed to be LI's.. and they ended up as most popular LI's for straight female PC.

 

Someone commented that "BioWare does not sit around the table and think if the character would be appealing to player" or something like that. Actually they do, at least they did with Thane. When choosing his looks (there were several choices) they showed the sketches to female employees who in turn chose the Thane we got (as a female I can say "well done").

I think with the alien looks there are more considerations to be made, because if the appearance is too bizarre it will alienate people in general.

 

and btw Cassandra's and Josephine's look also slightly changed in comparison to the promos so it is sufficient to say that nobody deliberately trying to make characters unappealing. 

[Panda]

I'm pondering more about how there aren't 100 complain threads about bald Solas or beasty Bull with man boobs and a douchy personality or "Sera is crazy (and ugly) and Josephine is dull" type of threads. It's not like every demographic is completely satisfied.

 

I have heard complains like that, but difference is that people don't really make threads about it or claim Bioware having some agenda against them, or that Bioware should change their characters. There was lot of complaining about Solas before release, baldness and how he looks like Voldemort.. but that stopt after release and now everyone seems to think he's sex symbol or sth XD I think there has been mostly complains about Iron Bull's BDSM relationship, Josie is dull posts are usually in threads like this one and most people who complain about Sera don't complain about her in romance sense.

[craigdolphin]

You give customers who have felt disenfranchised a product and communicate positive feelings towards them and you have loyal fans for life.

 

Straight guys are going to divide their time between other products and other companies so it doesn't pay out to give them what they want.  They need to accept this is just how the market works and either deal with it or move on.

wtf?

 

Yknow, there is more to game preference than just sexual orientation.  My preferred game genre is WRPG, and preferably party-based CRPG. I do not play FPS or 3PS games. I find there are very few games that appeal to me. Bioware games are one of a very few, Witcher is there, and to a much lesser extent Skyrim was 'ok'.

 

As it happens I'm straight. Your comment is pretty darned offensive IMO. I fully support Bioware supporting the various GLBT communities. But I utterly reject your proposition that Bioware should just tell the straight community, who demographically make up a large/majority of their paying customers, to STFU if they feel like the romance options suck. Because, if Bioware were to limit their market to only the BLGT customers, they'd sell many fewer copies and how long do you think it would be before EA took Bioware out behind the woodshed and left their corpse to rot alongside maxis, westwood, and many others? You seem to forget that WRPG/CRPG are already a somewhat niche market for large publishers like EA.

 

I think Cassandra was a wonderful romance option. But I do think the hairdo was ugly. Almost all of the hairdo's in the game are butt ugly. And I don't think she's all that /physically/ attractive (though I don't see her as physically ugly either).

 

IRL, initial attraction for many straight guys is strongly impacted by the visual element. Whether you personally think this is shallow or not, it's part and parcel of the reality of the human condition for us. To be clear, longer term attraction depends on many other factors as well. But to deny the role that visual attraction plays is to deny a part of what makes straight males sexual beings. This may seem like a shallow basis for attraction to some, but perhaps that's because you're not one of us?  Regardless, if you are asking for respect and understanding for minority sexual orientations, it sure would not hurt to show some mutual respect and understanding for majority sexual orientations even if you personally think different.

[o Ventus]

 

IRL, initial attraction for many straight guys is strongly impacted by the visual element.

I think you could get away with taking off the "straight guys" label and replacing it with "everybody".

[craigdolphin]

I think you could get away with taking off the "straight guys" label and replacing it with "everybody".

You may be right. I just don't want to offend anyone with a sexuality where physical attractiveness is a non factor.

[Uccio]

I think Cassandra was a wonderful romance option. But I do think the hairdo was ugly. Almost all of the hairdo's in the game are butt ugly. And I don't think she's all that /physically/ attractive (though I don't see her as physically ugly either).

 

As a straight male gamer I didn´t like any of the Cassandra romance aspects. Her personality was way too straight forward, one dimensional personality is not a attraction to me. her appearance didn´t appeal to me at all. As much people like to come up with the "sweaty warriors don´t have long hairs" comment, could she at least for the love of Maker wash her hair, even once. And have someone with skill to cut it. It looks like she has cut it herself with a knife and a bad mirror. The romance arc was dull and corny.

[o Ventus]

You may be right. I just don't want to offend anyone with a sexuality where physical attractiveness is a non factor.

You won't offend anyone. Anyone who is a functioning, mentally healthy person anyway. Being aesthetically pleasing is always a factor in one person being attracted to another. It might not be the prime factor, but it's a factor regardless. I guarantee you that no heterosexual woman would date someone who looked like Rocky Dennis, no matter how nice he was.

[Brevnau]

So beautiful!

 

[phantomrachie]

So beautiful!

 

 

what are female facial proportions? 

 

Do women have different bones in their face? Why did no one tell me! 

[craigdolphin]

I have a hard time imagining a situation where physical attractiveness doesn't come into play too, but the more I read these forums the more I learn about diversity than I could have imagined. For example, this thread http://forum.bioware...-bioware-games/might apply (apologies if I misinterpret that thread). I don't think these people are mentally unhealthy. Very different from me, yes. But my inability to relate to how they are oriented doesn't mean their situation is any less valid. Quite frankly, I cannot even begin to imagine gay attraction either. But it's undoubtedly real for gay people. I can empathize with gay people only by imagining how I would feel living as a straight person in a hypothetical gay-centric culture. The cultural pressure to be gay wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to who and what I would be attracted to. So the same is likely true for them too. That's why I am glad they're getting representation in games. No one likes to be left out. We're all just people struggling to get on in life.

[craigdolphin]

As a straight male gamer I didn´t like any of the Cassandra romance aspects. Her personality was way too straight forward, one dimensional personality is not a attraction to me. her appearance didn´t appeal to me at all. As much people like to come up with the "sweaty warriors don´t have long hairs" comment, could she at least for the love of Maker wash her hair, even once. And have someone with skill to cut it. It looks like she has cut it herself with a knife and a bad mirror. The romance arc was dull and corny.

 

Physically, regarding the hair etc I don't differ. But I loved her personality. Rather than the cliche of a tough warrior woman who has no time for romance, she actually like smutty lit, and wanted to be swept off her feet. I thought that was actually pretty fun. Out of curiosity, what type of personalty traits/story aspects are you wanting to see?

[Panda]

I think you could get away with taking off the "straight guys" label and replacing it with "everybody".

 

I don't think that's true though for many other players.. looks play part of attraction, but it seems like female gamers in general (not all) value different things over looks, like although Solas was first seen as voldemort looking baldie, well now he's one of fav romances just cause his personality. If I think myself as well, personality overrules looks a lot. Or maybe I don't just have clear preferences so there is lot of space to move in look-wise for me ^^;

[o Ventus]

I have a hard time imagining a situation where physical attractiveness doesn't come into play too, but the more I read these forums the more I learn about diversity than I could have imagined. For example, this thread http://forum.bioware...-bioware-games/might apply (apologies if I misinterpret that thread). I don't think these people are mentally unhealthy. Very different from me, yes. But my inability to relate to how they are oriented doesn't mean their situation is any less valid. Quite frankly, I cannot even begin to imagine gay attraction either. But it's undoubtedly real for gay people. I can empathize with gay people only by imagining how I would feel living as a straight person in a hypothetical gay-centric culture. The cultural pressure to be gay wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to who and what I would be attracted to. So the same is likely true for them too. That's why I am glad they're getting representation in games. No one likes to be left out. We're all just people struggling to get on in life.

 

Please. Demisexuality barely even counts as a real thing. Visual attraction by itself is a form of sexual attraction, so someone claiming to not feel sexually attracted to someone else until forming a romantic attraction doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to anyone who isn't emotionally unstable. That's like saying you don't like a particular kind of food despite never having eaten it or tasted it before.

 

Demisexuality is a made-up term coined by middle-class teenage girls on Tumblr so they could call themselves LGBT to stand out from the crowd and get away with dating boys (and only boys).

[o Ventus]

I don't think that's true though for many other players.. looks play part of attraction, but it seems like female gamers in general (not all) value different things over looks, like although Solas was first seen as voldemort looking baldie, well now he's one of fav romances just cause his personality. If I think myself as well, personality overrules looks a lot. Or maybe I don't just have clear preferences so there is lot of space to move in look-wise for me ^^;

 

I already said:

 

Being aesthetically pleasing is always a factor in one person being attracted to another. It might not be the prime factor, but it's a factor regardless.

 

Also, what? Solas looks nothing like Voldemort, other than them both having no hair. Voldemort has snake eyes and no nose, in addition to a lot of veins visible through his skin. Solas has a full face, normal eyes, and a healthy complexion. Were it not for his ears, he could pass as a human.

[Panda]

I already said:

 

 

 

 

Also, what? Solas looks nothing like Voldemort, other than them both having no hair. Voldemort has snake eyes and no nose, in addition to a lot of veins visible through his skin. Solas has a full face, normal eyes, and a healthy complexion. Were it not for his ears, he could pass as a human.

 

I'm not saying that he looks alien.. though aliens can be quite goodlooking.. , but he wasn't seen as good-looking by many before release, but after release he suddenly has big fandom who thinks he's very handsome. So I think it's his personality and not his looks that won people over. I haven't seen Solas is bald! complain in months now.

[craigdolphin]

@o Ventus Well, that's certainly a cynical view on it. Personally I'm going to have to agree to disagree.

[eyezonlyii]

So beautiful!

 

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Oh look at these hideous monsters. No one could ever find these monstrosities attractive, nevermind employable in an area where people might actually see them!         

[sandalisthemaker]

Everyone knows that women with mandibles like Cassandra's don't exist IRL.

 

eyez, you are posting filthy lies.  Enough, you. 

[WildOrchid]

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Oh look at these hideous monsters. No one could ever find these monstrosities attractive, nevermind employable in an area where people might actually see them!         

 

Points for Lucy Lawless. 

[phantomrachie]

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Oh look at these hideous monsters. No one could ever find these monstrosities attractive, nevermind employable in an area where people might actually see them!         

 

oh Lucy Lawless, I will   you forever.

 

Xena rules. 

[eyezonlyii]

Everyone knows that women with mandibles like Cassandra's don't exist IRL.
 
eyez, you are posting filthy lies.  Enough, you.

Excuse me, but I'm now triggered because you didn't refer to my othersexkinual name: Hissrad.

[HuldraDancer]

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Oh look at these hideous monsters. No one could ever find these monstrosities attractive, nevermind employable in an area where people might actually see them!         

 

OLIVIA  Uh sorry may have fangirled a bit there >> ; Still giving you a like for this    

[Farangbaa]

Mariska Hargitay, you mean

[eyezonlyii]

Mariska Hargitay, you mean

She has transcended such infantile musings